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'no new football teams in near future'

I wished the A.D's and Presidents would listen to the fans. But I guess they know something we don't. Whatever...

It's the A&P mentality. H

Hire from within so you don't bring in any new, fresh ideas.

Coincidently, A&P is no longer.

A&P went the way of HECK'S (or is it the other way around... I always get that mixed up)...

A&P? The supermarket? They're still around

Hire from the same old boys network. We don't split so we are basically sitting duck until the next raid. Good job there Mike T. You kept your basketball dream alive and well.

Sitting ducks for what? The next raid, if such an event ever comes to pass, will not be from the ACC. No way do they expand beyond 12 teams. That is not even a remote possibility. John Swofford has done a lot of dumb things but no way is he that stupid and he would never get the presidents to approve it anyway. Case closed.

So that means people are cowering in fear of the Big Ten raiding the Big East. Why? That would only affect one school. One. Understand? One. Even if the football schools split, if the Big Ten came after someone, they would still leave. No difference. If the Big Ten ever decides to take one school then we replace them and move on.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Sitting ducks for what? The next raid, if such an event ever comes to pass, will not be from the ACC. No way do they expand beyond 12 teams. That is not even a remote possibility. John Swofford has done a lot of dumb things but no way is he that stupid and he would never get the presidents to approve it anyway. Case closed.

So that means people are cowering in fear of the Big Ten raiding the Big East. Why? That would only affect one school. One. Understand? One. Even if the football schools split, if the Big Ten came after someone, they would still leave. No difference. If the Big Ten ever decides to take one school then we replace them and move on.

This statement is so simple, but true. I wish more of us could understand such logic. There are so many different opinions over here such as all of the leagues expanding to 14 teams and picking off the BE. Its usually folks from other conferences coming up with these wild ideas. The Big 10 scenario is the most likely, and that is not too likely to happen.

cuseroc Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Sitting ducks for what? The next raid, if such an event ever comes to pass, will not be from the ACC. No way do they expand beyond 12 teams. That is not even a remote possibility. John Swofford has done a lot of dumb things but no way is he that stupid and he would never get the presidents to approve it anyway. Case closed.

So that means people are cowering in fear of the Big Ten raiding the Big East. Why? That would only affect one school. One. Understand? One. Even if the football schools split, if the Big Ten came after someone, they would still leave. No difference. If the Big Ten ever decides to take one school then we replace them and move on.

This statement is so simple, but true. I wish more of us could understand such logic. There are so many different opinions over here such as all of the leagues expanding to 14 teams and picking off the BE. Its usually folks from other conferences coming up with these wild ideas. The Big 10 scenario is the most likely, and that is not too likely to happen.

I couldnt agree more. How would splitting the conference stop cuse,pitt or RU from leaving for the B10 should that become an option?

Look I have never said that splitting or adding another team would keep the BE from being raided by other BCS conferences. But I do think that football is where the money is at right now and having only 8 members hurt the conference in tv because it has less games to sell as well as bowls. I have always said that right now the best thing for the conference would be ading ONE team, that would give each school an extra conference game that could be sold as BE TV package. In the case of Memphis it could bring another bowl.
This is the reason why I just dont understand why the BE doesnt look into getting ECU or Memphis as football only if they both are willing to do it.
If you get raided by the BigTen etc, you slide that school in for all sports and it has already been building its program with BCS access

Where can we get a football-only member?

The new Big East commissioner, another Mike Tranghese understudy who started his career at Providence, is a very strong signal that the Big East is probably not going to split. It will be together, at any rate, through the 2013-14 school year when its current TV contracts and the upcoming next BCS agreement end.

If the Big East wants one more member to balance its scheduling and create more TV inventory for football, it will have to be a football-only member, and all the options have drawbacks.

A) Temple would be the most painless football-only choice because they already play minor sports in the A-10 and their football-only contract with the MAC ends after next season. It would be very easy, and cause no harm to anybody else, if the Big East signed Temple to a football-only deal for 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. At that point, the Big East football schools might be more ready for a split, then CUSA can worry about UCF, Memphis, or ECU.

B) One of UCF, Memphis, or ECU going to the Big East as a football-only member starting in the 2010-11 school year would require that school to move its basketball program and minor sports to a sucky low level league. Would they really be willing to do something that drastic and would a sucky low level league take their sports anyway? Every geographically sensible target has an even number of members right now anyway except the Atlantic Sun.

C) Big East officials decide to actually act on my proposal to expand the league to 18 teams with UCF added for all sports and SLU added for basketball and minor sports. That leaves CUSA with one opening to fill immediately. Who gets the call? UTSA, South Alabama, and Charlotte are still years away from being able to help. Does CUSA do the least stressful thing and go with one of Louisiana Tech, Western Kentucky, or FAU/FIU instead of waiting?

I also think the selection of an insider for Big East commissioner indicates that the style of Mike Tranghese will continue to be followed and hurting other leagues will be avoided if possible.

The Big East path of succession confirms, I believe, my longstanding idea that fewer than a half-dozen teams will change leagues in 2010 and that CUSA has nothing to worry about unless the Big East plucks one school to become a league of 18. Perhaps the real year to worry about is for major changes is 2014-15.

What appears to be on deck is status quo.

ECU AD has said publicly that they would move their teams into another conference and not share BCS bowl money unless they got in that bowl for a few years.
Memphis I think would be willing to move basketball into OVC or MVC, specially if the BE sweeten the deal by playing them 4-5 games a year. Those leagues would welcome Memphis in. Those are currently better basketbal leagues than CUSA

Those other leagues have to be WILLING to be used for a couple of years by a UCF, Memphis, or ECU team that intends to ditch them like the runaway bride at their first possible opportunity.

The MVC, in particular, does not NEED to ruin their perfect round robin schedule just to accomodate a school that only wants to be there three or four years and get out as soon as possible.

Cubanbull Wrote:But I do think that football is where the money is at right now and having only 8 members hurt the conference in tv because it has less games to sell as well as bowls. I have always said that right now the best thing for the conference would be ading ONE team, that would give each school an extra conference game that could be sold as BE TV package. In the case of Memphis it could bring another bowl.

Somewhat true, when you're talking about ECU/Memphis/Temple and not PSU/NDU, the marginal football revenues are rather limited.

Consider this scenario. Not likely and on very generous terms to the BE. Add Memphis for football-only.

Bowls: Add Liberty Bowl for the league's #2 and mediocre bowl for its #7 (once again being generous). Lose Gator/Sun Bowl and drop Notre Dame tie-ins. We'll discount the average Gator/Sun payouts to reflect the BE receives it only 3/4 years. We'll discount the mediocre bowl's payouts to reflect that a 9-team BE won't have 7 bowl-eligible teams half the time. Net gain is likely is $425K. (LB 1700 + mB 375 - GB/SB 1650). That's $47K in revenues per school. Not a wind fall.

TV: Assume a small premium for expanding into Memphis market. (It's still a SEC market, but televised Big East games show at 12pm and weeknights and don't necessarily conflict with the SEC). Additional games to offer the conference's exclusive partner, ESPN. But this is Memphis, we're talking about. And the Big East has already handed the scheduling of its premier games over to ESPN. Net gain: a few more ESPN regional games and Big East football being shown in Memphis during off-peak hours.

Gamedays: Expect increases to Louisville and Cincinnati. Little change to the rest of the members. (Check the OOC and conference splits, they're nearly identical. Heck, Syracuse's game vs. a FCS school mid-year drew more than any of their BE games.) We shouldn't assume that BE teams will drop FCS schools (home game and a bowl-eligible win in exchange for a guarantee fee) or BCS schools (they're sought by most coaches and fans alike). Little impact.

Well the Big East will NOT lose the Gator Bowl count on it. There is not a better option for them.
So in reality adding Memphis for football only would ADD an extra bowl to the current colection NOT replace the gator.
The Liberty will end up with the #4 BE team vs SEC.. The extra conference game would not replace the game vs a 1AA because thats a yearly home game for the team what it would do is replace a home-away that right now our schools are having with mostly MAC teams that are asking for 1-1 deals, these games would be part of the BE package. So thats 8 extra BE games yearly that right now are split 4-4 with MAC teams, so it increases BE schedule by 4 games.
Its not huge money, but it does bring a better bowl than most we currently have, brings a new BE market and it also allows Memphis to build up its talent with BCS talent so that if the BE is raided it already has a team more to that level.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Sitting ducks for what? The next raid, if such an event ever comes to pass, will not be from the ACC. No way do they expand beyond 12 teams. That is not even a remote possibility. John Swofford has done a lot of dumb things but no way is he that stupid and he would never get the presidents to approve it anyway. Case closed.

So that means people are cowering in fear of the Big Ten raiding the Big East. Why? That would only affect one school. One. Understand? One. Even if the football schools split, if the Big Ten came after someone, they would still leave. No difference. If the Big Ten ever decides to take one school then we replace them and move on.

I completely agree. I'm not worried about a raid at all, the Big Ten has made it clear, both in 2003, and over the last year or so, that if they expand they have no interest in the Big Ten. That was a media creation. The thing that concern me about not expanding is the internal impact not external impact. If we don't add a 9th school fine, but the commissioner has shown no real interest in building the football conference, only maintaining the status quo with a little perk here and there. And now the new commissioner hasn't gotten off to a roaring start. His only response to immediately shut down any talk of football expansion, as if Mike Tranghese commanded him to do that.

rferry Wrote:

Cubanbull Wrote:But I do think that football is where the money is at right now and having only 8 members hurt the conference in tv because it has less games to sell as well as bowls. I have always said that right now the best thing for the conference would be ading ONE team, that would give each school an extra conference game that could be sold as BE TV package. In the case of Memphis it could bring another bowl.

Somewhat true, when you're talking about ECU/Memphis/Temple and not PSU/NDU, the marginal football revenues are rather limited.

Consider this scenario. Not likely and on very generous terms to the BE. Add Memphis for football-only.

Bowls: Add Liberty Bowl for the league's #2 and mediocre bowl for its #7 (once again being generous). Lose Gator/Sun Bowl and drop Notre Dame tie-ins. We'll discount the average Gator/Sun payouts to reflect the BE receives it only 3/4 years. We'll discount the mediocre bowl's payouts to reflect that a 9-team BE won't have 7 bowl-eligible teams half the time. Net gain is likely is $425K. (LB 1700 + mB 375 - GB/SB 1650). That's $47K in revenues per school. Not a wind fall.

TV: Assume a small premium for expanding into Memphis market. (It's still a SEC market, but televised Big East games show at 12pm and weeknights and don't necessarily conflict with the SEC). Additional games to offer the conference's exclusive partner, ESPN. But this is Memphis, we're talking about. And the Big East has already handed the scheduling of its premier games over to ESPN. Net gain: a few more ESPN regional games and Big East football being shown in Memphis during off-peak hours.

Gamedays: Expect increases to Louisville and Cincinnati. Little change to the rest of the members. (Check the OOC and conference splits, they're nearly identical. Heck, Syracuse's game vs. a FCS school mid-year drew more than any of their BE games.) We shouldn't assume that BE teams will drop FCS schools (home game and a bowl-eligible win in exchange for a guarantee fee) or BCS schools (they're sought by most coaches and fans alike). Little impact.

People said that same thing about Cincinnati, that adding Cincinnati wouldn't imrove anyone else's gameday. They were obviously wrong. People (outside of the Big East) were also suspect about the Ohio market. The Big East isn't losing the Gator Bowl, and the Liberty Bowl would give the Big East a 3rd New Year's Bowl and a strong #3 Bowl.

Personally I think the additions of USF, UL and UC were positive.

I think we need to add a ninth for scheduling. UCF, Memphis, ECU or UMASS come to mind.

However, after that, it needs to be a big name.

CatsClaw Wrote:

Krocker Krapp Wrote:Sitting ducks for what? The next raid, if such an event ever comes to pass, will not be from the ACC. No way do they expand beyond 12 teams. That is not even a remote possibility. John Swofford has done a lot of dumb things but no way is he that stupid and he would never get the presidents to approve it anyway. Case closed.

So that means people are cowering in fear of the Big Ten raiding the Big East. Why? That would only affect one school. One. Understand? One. Even if the football schools split, if the Big Ten came after someone, they would still leave. No difference. If the Big Ten ever decides to take one school then we replace them and move on.

I completely agree. I'm not worried about a raid at all, the Big Ten has made it clear, both in 2003, and over the last year or so, that if they expand they have no interest in the Big Ten. That was a media creation. The thing that concern me about not expanding is the internal impact not external impact. If we don't add a 9th school fine, but the commissioner has shown no real interest in building the football conference, only maintaining the status quo with a little perk here and there. And now the new commissioner hasn't gotten off to a roaring start. His only response to immediately shut down any talk of football expansion, as if Mike Tranghese commanded him to do that.

Trained Goose can do that. He is the commish until June 30th. The new guy doesn't officially receive the baton to command until July 1st. Until then Trained Goose is his BOSS.

Memphis fans would also make sure that the Liberty bowl would always be with the BE too.. The influence the tiger fans has on that bowl is priceless. That loyality displayed by us, would be a welcome by the BE, something that is lacking now. Tiger fans has always supported this bowl, and has always rooted for the program, within our conference, at this game too. As a Tiger Fan, I have had to root for Louisville on several occassion, and I am not the only one.
Krocker, BE make an exception for ND(in fb) but you dont think that the MVC would? MVC would do the same thing, because having a program like Memphis will help in contracts and exposure too.