Fo Shizzle Wrote:West Is the Best Wrote:http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081107/D94A2EA80.html
The last paragraph of that article makes me not care anymore about this issue.
The last paragraph of that article shows me the fight is over semantics.
BTW, I live in an area that receives LA radio stations and the news first reported the number of protesters to be in the hundreds and that there was more violence than the article reported. I think a gay guy clobbered a Prop 8 supporter with his purse or something like that.
smn1256 Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:West Is the Best Wrote:http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081107/D94A2EA80.html
The last paragraph of that article makes me not care anymore about this issue.
The last paragraph of that article shows me the fight is over semantics.
BTW, I live in an area that receives LA radio stations and the news first reported the number of protesters to be in the hundreds and that there was more violence than the article reported. I think a gay guy clobbered a Prop 8 supporter with his purse or something like that.
I grow tired of this argument...but...there is still the issue of federal tax law and such that should be settled by allowing civil unions on the federal level....I could give a rats ass about the secular aspect of marriage. Cali allows gays to do what ever they wish on the state level...so the ballot crap in Cali was really a play for federal attention to the issue..IMO.
Fo Shizzle Wrote:...there is still the issue of federal tax law and such that should be settled by allowing civil unions on the federal level....
Obama is already on record as saying that everything gay is a state issue.
smn1256 Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:...there is still the issue of federal tax law and such that should be settled by allowing civil unions on the federal level....
Obama is already on record as saying that everything gay is a state issue.
So he would use the veto to stop civil unions on the federal level?
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Put it this way:
If this were a "Conservative Based Group" that numbered in the hundreds of millions standing in front of the White House each and all holding out a $20 dollar bill to send to Africa to help feed starving HIV/AIDs Victims, the Media would report the attending number at "A few Hundred" .....
Since this is a "Divisive Issue that's soul intent is to Pit American against American in a most volatile way" ..... the Media will report the Few Hundred Attendee's as "They showed up by the Millions and Packed Washington DC, Los Angeles, San Francisco, Bum Fook Egypt (not associated with the Egyptian Egypt) and all places in between" - - even UFO's were seen hovering over Chubakabra's.
People who now Consider Computer Networks to be "ECO Systems" will have no problems supporting Legislation making Computers (electronic machines) a Race of People that need to have Federal Rights and Entitlements.
I mean should a Dell and a Gateway be able to Legally Marry under the Constitution and if not, should they not have at least Partnership Rights protected by at a minimum of no less than 100 pieces of Legislation that cost a $Billion Dollars$ to Draft and Pass.
HEY !!!!!! I like that idea since I am a Computer Tech and have so many Computers that I could get Food Stamps and Welfare and all sorts of Government Freebies by claiming my Cyber Dependants !!!!!!!
WHAT A HELL OF A COUNTRY WE LIVE IN !!!!!!!!!! 
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What in the hell are you talking about?
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Who, Me ???
I am just poking fun at how our Government wants to make a "Life Style Choice into a Race of People".
Governments can not make "Races of Human Beings" out of thin air .... LOL .... people, weirdly enough, are already born into a Race of Humans.
And am using my "Dry Humor" to make fun with.
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After reading the article, I couldn't find one reference to a "gay race" of people.
Fo Shizzle Wrote:West Is the Best Wrote:http://apnews.myway.com/article/20081107/D94A2EA80.html
The last paragraph of that article makes me not care anymore about this issue.
After reading the last paragraph. I wholeheartedly agree.
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dwr0109 - - See, this is exactly how Government "sneaks things in on you" and before you know it, there they are and you are footing the bill for it with money out of your paycheck in the form of TAXES TAXES TAXES.
This silliness started several years ago when Gay Couples wanted the Exact Same Rights as what is Legally Described as a Union of Marriage Between a Man and a Woman ..... and by damm they got it lock, stock, and barrel.
Then comes the "Other Stuff" that you demand once you have gotten the 1st set of things you huffed & puffed for (no pun intended) and you end up having Congress Enact Legislation that Turn into Constitutionally Bound Law that MUST Be Enforced regarding the Treatment of, Protections of, and/or the Harassment/Discrimination of Gay People.
The "United States Government Basically Created a Race of People Called 'GAYS' With Their Idiotic Legislation" that was unneeded.
Gay couples have always had the Legal Right to give their "Life Partner" any permissions and Power of Attorney and such other Legal Stuff over to said Partner and they could do this all without the help of one Idiotic Congress Person .... if you can believe that !!!!!
So now, when you fill out a Job Application of what ever kind of Application that Requires you to put what "Race You Are", well if the Fed's haven't forced these places to add 'Gay' in that Category, you can Surely and Legally put it under "Other" and receive all the Benefits of a person of the White Race, Black Race, Native American, Asian, on and on.
You see, the way they had to "Frame These Laws", forced them to include "Being Gay" as a Race ......
Now you will have to do the Research your Self because I don't 'Copy & Paste' unless I have too, but the information is out there.
Don't you remember the Black Community Leaders being all pizzed off and raising Hell up with Fury, all because the Black Race had now been relegated to the same status as a "Sexual Life Style", not based on a Heritage from Gene's & DNA ???
This is not just some "Conspiracy Theory" that I Dreamed one night .....
If you do the Work, you will begin to understand just how far reaching this Legislation has Roots Too and how Dangerous "Creating Races of Beings by Enacting Laws of Rights, Privileges, Entitlements, and Special Protections truly is too us all".
AND !!!!! I am not Anti-Gay or a Homophobe or any of that other Childish Crap ..... I am talking about "LAW" here, not who is sleeping with who.
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I'm not a big fan of affirmative action, or discrimination in general. I'll definitely look into it. Thanks for the info.
Fo Shizzle Wrote:smn1256 Wrote:Fo Shizzle Wrote:...there is still the issue of federal tax law and such that should be settled by allowing civil unions on the federal level....
Obama is already on record as saying that everything gay is a state issue.
So he would use the veto to stop civil unions on the federal level?
Are you kidding me? He'd flip-flop and sign a pro gay bill in a San Francisco minute...but I'm sure you aleady knew that....
Tripster Wrote:This silliness started several years ago when Gay Couples wanted the Exact Same Rights as what is Legally Described as a Union of Marriage Between a Man and a Woman ..... and by damm they got it lock, stock, and barrel.
According to the article, that's not true. The article says gays registered as domestic partners get nearly all of the same rights as traditional married couples in taxes, estate planning, & medical decisions. That implies that they don't get all of the same rights, even in those categories, and that there are other categories where the get even fewer rights.
jh Wrote:Tripster Wrote:This silliness started several years ago when Gay Couples wanted the Exact Same Rights as what is Legally Described as a Union of Marriage Between a Man and a Woman ..... and by damm they got it lock, stock, and barrel.
According to the article, that's not true. The article says gays registered as domestic partners get nearly all of the same rights as traditional married couples in taxes, estate planning, & medical decisions. That implies that they don't get all of the same rights, even in those categories, and that there are other categories where the get even fewer rights.
The press implying something instills confidence in me.
Maybe someone who cares about this more than me could check and let us know what, if anything, is denied.
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I am really talking more on "How Congress Had To Get from Point A to Point Z" in Creating these "Special Circumstance Laws and Constitutional Protections for a mere 'Life Style' Choice".
There are plenty of Black Gays, White Gays, Asian Gays and you understand that each of them are of a "Race of People Already" who just happen to Gay ???
Congress did not need to Create the Gay Race, but that is basically what they did and it opens doors to all sorts of misuse and weirdness.
These "Same Exact Gay Life Style Entitlements" have already and are still being pecked at by such horrid groups and NAMBLA and other Fundamentalist Life Style Groups who seek to subvert Criminal Indictment by Citing that if Gays, who once were Criminals in all U.S. States at one time or another just for being a Practicing Gay (Sodomy, Buggery, blah blah), can be cleansed by the United States Government and even Given Special Status Based on How They Live Their Lives, Then We Want the Same Legal Considerations and Protections.
So here come Rapist, Murderers, Gun Nuts, and all Manner of Fundamentalist Fools demanding Protection Under that Exact Same Articles of Law the Gays are now Protected Under.
Congress DID NOT NEED to get involved in this what so ever and now that they did, OF COURSE it is Screwed Up to the Highest Order and opens doors that would never have been allowed to even be considered and every time one of these Idiotic Life Style Groups takes a Case all the way to the SCOTUS, it cost $Millions$ of Tax Payer Dollars because they "ALL NOW HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE HEARD JUST LIKE THE 'GAY's DID".
Like I said, this isn't about "Who is Sleeping with Whom", it is about the Bastardizing of the Law and Constitution over a Life Style.
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The fact is gays can prepare legal documents for all the rights they demand in the need for a marriage. Straight and gay non married couples can draw up documents to address all these issues in all fifty states.
The issues of marriage is purely political that will be the basis for additional legislation in the future if legislation is passed today.
One issue the media and left loves to ignore, is the fact that a majority of gays do not see a need for marriage legislation.
West Is the Best Wrote:The issues of marriage is purely political that will be the basis for additional legislation in the future if legislation is passed today.
I would have thought the issues of marriage are social with politics being the muscle behind it.
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WEST !!!!! Exactly !!!!!!!!
Most hate the spotlight the likes of that filth Rosie O'Fat and her ilk have shined on good and hard working people.
If you could get an honest number to admit to being Gay and ask them if they see the Rosie O'Dumbell way of Bullying her Life Style onto every other human being, they would probably be 98% dead set against those kinds of Fundamentalist Gays, that are nothing more than Radicals, who wish to upset and rile up any negative emotion where there is peace and harmony.
They actually do hate all the pressure put on them by these few 'way-out-yonders".
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Gay people getting married is not "bullying their lifestyle on to every other human being." I think its weird. But, whatever. It doesn't affect me any more than gay people "doing-it" which is legal now, I guess.
If two gay people can live together, act legally as a couple, hold hands, etc. etc. It really woudn't bother me any more if they said they were married. If that marriage led to all sorts of new affirmative-action, walk-on-eggshells legislation, then I'd be against it.
Basically. Don't piss on my yard, and I won't piss on yours.