did what they did I don't know.I'm sure they have a reason for it.This girl could had her on self beat up and as crazy as that sounds stuff goes on like this.She knows Hunt was coming over and she knew people would believe with her being a women so she does the "crazy"beats her shelf up or has someone else do it before Hunt gets there.Something like this happened to me when I was younger and I thank God I had witnesses there to have seen it or I was going to spend time in the county jail.Now Calipari can be clownish at times but he does take care of his players..........
Eastendtiger Wrote:did what they did I don't know.I'm sure they have a reason for it.This girl could had her on self beat up and as crazy as that sounds stuff goes on like this.She knows Hunt was coming over and she knew people would believe with her being a women so she does the "crazy"beats her shelf up or has someone else do it before Hunt gets there.Something like this happened to me when I was younger and I thank God I had witnesses there to have seen it or I was going to spend time in the county jail.Now Calipari can be clownish at times but he does take care of his players..........
Sure Ok That makes sense. She had herself beat up you say. :loco:
I don't know why you are over here trying to convince us of this story. There are plenty of Memphis fans on your board who are having trouble swallowing this whole situation.
Oh, and I don't think anyone would argue with you that Calipari doesn't take care of his players.
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Memphis Blazer Wrote:Eastendtiger Wrote:did what they did I don't know.I'm sure they have a reason for it.This girl could had her on self beat up and as crazy as that sounds stuff goes on like this.She knows Hunt was coming over and she knew people would believe with her being a women so she does the "crazy"beats her shelf up or has someone else do it before Hunt gets there.Something like this happened to me when I was younger and I thank God I had witnesses there to have seen it or I was going to spend time in the county jail.Now Calipari can be clownish at times but he does take care of his players..........
Sure Ok That makes sense. She had herself beat up you say. :loco:
I don't know why you are over here trying to convince us of this story. There are plenty of Memphis fans on your board who are having trouble swallowing this whole situation.
Oh, and I don't think anyone would argue with you that Calipari doesn't take care of his players.
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as odd as that idea seems crap like that does happen. when i was at uab a girl i knew got pissed at a guy because he didnt call her the next day after she slept with him so she told all her friends that he raped her. what she did not know is he had to go out of town on a family emergency and thats why he didnt contact her. When he got back in town and called her one of her friends started cussed him out and hung up on him. her roomate was dating his friend and she dumped him without telling him why. A year later the girl told her roomate the truth and the story came out why so much crap went that guys way. now just what if she had been even more of a vindictive person than she was and went to the police with her BS. That guy would have been arrested and charged with a sex crime. he may or may not have gotten off but for the rest of his life everyone he knew at that time was going to think he was a rapist.
And to give an example of something that happened to me I was at a buddies apt and heard a girl in the parking lot screaming for help and that her boyfriend was beating her. I got up ran accross the room and was half way out the door before my friend screamed at me to stop. He was sitting infront of his sliding glass door watching the entire thing play out. the guy was moving out of the apartment and was loading his stuff into his car. The girl was standing on the other side of the car so there was no way he could have touched her and she just started to scream for help to get him in trouble. one of the other people in the apartment called the police and he would have gone to jail if my friend had not told the police what he saw. Or I would have been arrested for shooting him because I thought he was a POS that beats on girls.
Yes it is true that the vast majority of the time there is violence. Yes I am sure most of the time its the guys fault. But there are cases when the whole thing is BS or the girl goes looney and attacks the guy and he decks her while defending himself.
And when the university investigates and decides that there is a reason to think the player is not guilty they should not punish him until the legal system runs its course.
Amen draak. I didn't want to be the first to disagree with MB.
I think you guys are missing the point. Telling people you were raped when you weren't is one thing, but having somebody actually hit you so you can say somebody else did it is entirely different. That would be like if a girl found somebody to rape her (which, by definition wouldn't be rape b/c it would be her idea.....) just to blame it on her boyfriend. The different examples here don't match up.
I hope that made some kind of sense.
PourOnTheHeat Wrote:I think you guys are missing the point. Telling people you were raped when you weren't is one thing, but having somebody actually hit you so you can say somebody else did it is entirely different. That would be like if a girl found somebody to rape her (which, by definition wouldn't be rape b/c it would be her idea.....) just to blame it on her boyfriend. The different examples here don't match up.
I hope that made some kind of sense.
Well, that would be just a simple matter of a forensic semen test.
PourOnTheHeat Wrote:I think you guys are missing the point. Telling people you were raped when you weren't is one thing, but having somebody actually hit you so you can say somebody else did it is entirely different. That would be like if a girl found somebody to rape her (which, by definition wouldn't be rape b/c it would be her idea.....) just to blame it on her boyfriend. The different examples here don't match up.
I hope that made some kind of sense.
i was giving examples of people being set up. in the memphis case there is a witness that told police he saw the girl holding two knives. that alone should give the university a reason to wait until more of the investigation is conducted. yesterday a threatening voicemail was released that might change the university position. but you still need to know when it was sent and if the player was outside by his car and she came out to confront him holding a knife in each hand. i remember something about his keys being locked in his car so he did not have the ability to retreat to safety. the girls response was to the effect "if there was a weapoon it was from after he hit me" now if that is true instead of calling the police she went back into the apartment and went back to attack him. it also means she did have a knife. as nasty as this whole thing is there is reasonable doubt to his guilt at this time so the university should not be attacked for letting him play. think back to the penn state player that all the papers convicted of shooting a cop. JoePa was given much grief for letting him play but when the trial came about he was found not guilty. Penn State knew more about what happened than we did and they made the correct choice. Memphis knows more about this than we do. I keep thinking back to something George Allen said when he was asked if he was going to kick a player off the team who had gotten in trouble. "If I kick him off the team I cant help him".
draak ijveraar Wrote:PourOnTheHeat Wrote:I think you guys are missing the point. Telling people you were raped when you weren't is one thing, but having somebody actually hit you so you can say somebody else did it is entirely different. That would be like if a girl found somebody to rape her (which, by definition wouldn't be rape b/c it would be her idea.....) just to blame it on her boyfriend. The different examples here don't match up.
I hope that made some kind of sense.
i was giving examples of people being set up. in the memphis case there is a witness that told police he saw the girl holding two knives. that alone should give the university a reason to wait until more of the investigation is conducted. yesterday a threatening voicemail was released that might change the university position. but you still need to know when it was sent and if the player was outside by his car and she came out to confront him holding a knife in each hand. i remember something about his keys being locked in his car so he did not have the ability to retreat to safety. the girls response was to the effect "if there was a weapoon it was from after he hit me" now if that is true instead of calling the police she went back into the apartment and went back to attack him. it also means she did have a knife. as nasty as this whole thing is there is reasonable doubt to his guilt at this time so the university should not be attacked for letting him play. think back to the penn state player that all the papers convicted of shooting a cop. JoePa was given much grief for letting him play but when the trial came about he was found not guilty. Penn State knew more about what happened than we did and they made the correct choice. Memphis knows more about this than we do. I keep thinking back to something George Allen said when he was asked if he was going to kick a player off the team who had gotten in trouble. "If I kick him off the team I cant help him".
As far as the knives go, if someone bigger and stronger than you was in your house and had just beaten you up, and you saw two knives, wouldn't you grab them. According to the police report, he attacked her outside, she ran into the apartment (there's her attempt to get away), he chased her in there and continued to hit her. She grabbed the knives and the altercation came back outside again. The neighbors saw the end of the altercation. They did not see the beginning.
So you have him calling saying he was going to beat her up. Five hours later, he shows up and beats her up. Her roommate witnesses it. She tries to defend herself with knives and he leaves by foot because the police have been called and his keys are locked in his car. Physical evidence is a record of his car being towed, his voice on a voicemail.
If I was on a jury (and there probably wont be one for this), that would be beyond a reasonable doubt for me. The defense would have to have one hell of a story to convince me otherwise.
As far as the Memphis administration letting him play, this is the same administration who looks the other way in all of Calipari's other problems with his team. Why would this be any different. I don't think he needs to be kicked off the team. He just doesn't need to play until he is cleared. Memphis has already established that precident when another player was charged with selling stolen gift cards. He didn't play for a year until he was cleared through a plea bargain. The difference was he was selling to his teammates and Calipari was afraid the NCAA might get involved.
Memphis Blazer, I hear that the dissatisfaction with Calipari is within the athletic program itself. Apparently Hunt's "victim" (girlfriend) was the older sister of women of the Memphis women's basketball players.
They apparently are not very happy with Hunt being allowed to play and the attitude that Calipari and company are taking with the situation.
Whether true or not, it was also reported that Calipari had Rice talk to his girlfriend, who is a member of the women's team and sister of the victim, to try to get her to pursuade her sister to drop the charges. The victim denies these allegations.
The Game is over, so I will not corrupt this board anymore with the soap opera saga that is Memphis basketball.
Unless it gets really good.
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LJBlazerFan Wrote:Memphis Blazer, I hear that the dissatisfaction with Calipari is within the athletic program itself. Apparently Hunt's "victim" (girlfriend) was the older sister of women of the Memphis women's basketball players.
They apparently are not very happy with Hunt being allowed to play and the attitude that Calipari and company are taking with the situation.
I don't know who 'they' are but the alleged victim has said that she doesn't mind Hunt playing, according to our local newspaper.
Memphis Blazer you have no ability to see the other side of this. Your hatred for the Tigers runs DEEP.
I am torn on whether he is 100% guilty or mostly innocent.
The thing to remember is he, to the best of my knowledge, had never had a prior run-in with the law, which means he is generally not a troublemaker.
For him to suddenly beat a girl up with no reason is unlike him.
Memphis Blazer, you have no belief in the justice system of innocent until proven guilty. Their is NO proof of guilt yet. The media in Memphis (and really anywhere in this country) loves to convict people before a trial because it sells more. Just like your football players who allegedly raped that underage girl or whatever that story was. The media had them convicted before the real truth came out.
We have two groups of witnesses saying two different things. Based on what we've heard in the media, we DEFINITELY have a reasonable doubt to his guilt right now. We don't know all the facts. Calling someone up and sayng they are going to beat them up, kill them, etc. does not convict someone of actually doing it.
Now saying that, he could be 100% guilty. I'm not saying he isn't, but with all the weirdness of this whole story and the fact this girl seems to be changing her mind depending on who in the media she is talking to, it seems very odd.
dont they have a tape recording of him threatening to beat her up earlier in the evening? one of my friends who goes to memphis told me about this. said they've been playing it on the radio and on tv.
It has nothing to do with hatred of the Tigers. It has more to do with hatred of men who abuse women and get away with it because they have a jump shot.
Innocent until proven applies only to the justice system and I agree, he should not go to jail or be fined until he has his day in court.
However, innocent until proven guilty has nothing to do with whether he should be a representative of your university by playing in games. The tape recording along is enough to sit him down. Being drunk and out at her house at 4:30am is enough for a suspension at most schools.
The supposed witnesses for her side saw her with a knife. Of course she would have a knife if she had just been hit by him.
He may have been a good kid at one time, but he no longer falls into that category. Men who beat up women are not
Talk about being blind. Memphis fans who think he may be innocent are the blind ones.
"Just like your football players who allegedly raped that underage girl or whatever that story was. The media had them convicted before the real truth came out."
SCConway, there is a huge difference between Hunt's situation and the UAB situation that you and your fellow UM fans love to bring up. The media never had them "convicted" because NO CRIMINAL CHARGES WERE EVER FILED; as a matter of fact, NO INCIDENT REPORTS WERE EVER EVEN FILED.
The girl's family filed a civil suit, that according to the press was written so poorly that she probably could have done a better job by herself without an attorney, solely to try and get money from UAB. Specific claims against individuals were never made; specific dates and incidents were never named.
"We don't know all the facts. Calling someone up and sayng they are going to beat them up, kill them, etc. does not convict someone of actually doing it."
That in itself is a crime.
Who I was referring to when I said "they" was your women's basketball team. They played down here on Friday night.
LJBlazerFan Wrote:SCConway, there is a huge difference between Hunt's situation and the UAB situation that you and your fellow UM fans love to bring up. The media never had them "convicted" because NO CRIMINAL CHARGES WERE EVER FILED; as a matter of fact, NO INCIDENT REPORTS WERE EVER EVEN FILED.
Have you read this story?
<a href='http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=1387944&type=story' target='_blank'>http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=13...7944&type=story</a>
This is all myself and most of America knew and still knows about this case.
Here are some quotes from that story:
"UAB football players cast a long, intimidating shadow."
"Some players don't deny bad things happened with the 15-year-old prodigy, they just downplay how bad things really were. "
"Rape and sexual assault are harder to prove in criminal court than in civil court, so many victims find their only recourse in a civil case. Title IX suits offer an opportunity for the victim to be heard away from potentially biased local jurisdictions, plus access to the deeper pockets of universities rather than just to individual defendants."
Please don't quote a one-sided article with little or no fact (statements by the girl and her parents are not fact, in the minds of most folks who followed this from the beginning).
Also, it should be pointed out that ESPN The Magazine is supposedly being sued by one or two people who were named specifically in that article.
That's quality journalism.
Furthermore, the article in no way contradicts what I said to SCConway.
Memphis Blazer Wrote:Talk about being blind. Memphis fans who think he may be innocent are the blind ones.
I never said I think he may be innocent. I said innocent until proven guilty.
LJBlazerFan Wrote:Please don't quote a one-sided article with little or no fact (statements by the girl and her parents are not fact, in the minds of most folks who followed this from the beginning).
Furthermore, the article in no way contradicts what I said to SCConway.
Should that also apply to this case? I mean we've only heard one side of this story.
We in no way have heard one ounce of anything from Jeremy Hunt's side. EVERYTHING you have heard about has come from the girl and two groups of witnesses. Not a thing has been said by Hunt's side on what went down that night.
I'm going to reserve judgement on Hunt until AFTER ALL the facts come out.
And as far as the UAB football players go, no charges may have been filed but they were assumed guilty until proven innocent by the media. That ESPN article practically says as much.
Like I said, I've heard some people are suing ESPN The Magazine over that "quality journalism."
What have we heard? One side? No. We've heard the victim's story, and we've heard about HARD EVIDENCE.
Does Hunt deny that's his voice on the tape?
Does Hunt deny that he left his car parked at her place, running with the keys in it?
There's a lot more "evidence" that has come out in this case. And, like someone else said, "innocent until proven guilty" is part of the legal system. It has nothing to do with protecting the image and integrity of an athletic program and an institution of higher learning.