I understand that I will probably make a lot of you guys upset with this post, but I am just merely stating the lockeroom opinion of the Toledo Football Players over the past 7 years or so.
I am a former Toledo rocket football player, and now faithful.
I root for the rockets week in and week out, becasue I know that their losing is not a matter of them "not trying".
I have played with great rocket teams, and I have played with "not so" great rocket teams and the opinions of our fans still remains the same.
I read this board pretty frequently over the past couple of years, and this is my very first post. And I have to just pin point some pet peeves of players.
1. When a player is not playing well, he gets dogged on this board.
---In case you guys are unaware, about 90% of the toledo rocket football players read this message board, so when they are going through a rough time, they then come on here and get called names by their VERY OWN FANS!..Coaches are one thing, they can handle it, it is their job. But when you come on here and talk about 18 year old kids like they are wastes of life because they missed tackles, dropped balls, or didnt make a throw, if you were unaware, Let me be the first to tell you, YOU MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE SH*T!, now if that is your goal, more power to you, but then dont come back more upset when they do the exact same thing the following week.
2. Please research what a "Bubble Screen" is.
---When i played here I was a defender, but I know a lot about the offemse...Yes, Toledo throws millions of screens. And yes, as of lately, they rarely work. But the reason you "football" faithfuls classify alllll of them as bubble screens baffles me. There are different kinds of screens. There are WR JAILBREAK screens, which we run the most of, there are RB screens, and then their Bubble Screens. The bubble screen is where the inside WR on one side of 2 or more WR's runs a bubble route, or in little league terms a banana route (Think nick moore versus Fresno on the fumble/incomplete pass for a Fresno TD). The bubble screen is ran by every single team in the country! And not as much as you guys think here. Vs. Ball State Toledo did not run ONE bubble screen the entire game. Rewatch it, and Im willing to bet you $1000 dollars
3. The last one I will talk about is Fan Support (and Ill make it brief, I have to go to work)
---Do you know what it is like for players to look in the audience, and see more Ohio State and Michigan gear than toledo? Do you know what it is like for players to hear fans scream louder for the MICH and OSU game scores than they do on any rocket big play?
Rocket fans have to be some of the most wishy washy fans in the country. Yes, I understand that we have had a couple very long and painful years, but so does that mean we shouldnt go to the games??? I was sitting in the glassbowl at the Fresno State game at the beginning of the 4th quarter flabergasted at watching fans leaving the game when we were beating a top 25 team in the glass bowl!!! It was the damndest thing I had ever seen. Michigan is sucking now too, I doubt that their fans are gonna just "stop going to the games". Lastly, you fans dont realize how much of an impact you have on how not only our team plays, but how the other team plays. As a player the best feeling when playing an away game, is the home team not having a lot of fans, because it takes away the home field advantage.
Playing in loud rowdy away settings is redicuoulsy hard to get a team rhythym going, think MINN 04 and Kansas 04.
Once again sorry if I offended anybody, but just as easy as coaches and players get dogged, I believe the finger should be pointed both ways.
Rocket Confidental Wrote:.... Im willing to bet you $1000 dollars
Scooter? Is that you?....
I may be wrong but I rarely, if ever, have seen a player called names on this board. If it happened it is wrong!
Most of us agree that wearing Michigan and Ohio crap is very frustrating. We fly our TOLEDO flag every game day. You are preaching to the choir.
The posts lately have been mainly about how the talent on this team is not being utilized. That is directed at the coaches.
The majority of us support our Rockets with contributions (even when it hurts), attendance at games (home and away if possible), flying our flags, wearing Toledo gear, and cheering for them in good times and bad.
We're allowed to be frustrated, too.
Rocket Confidental Wrote:I understand that I will probably make a lot of you guys upset with this post, but I am just merely stating the lockeroom opinion of the Toledo Football Players over the past 7 years or so.
I am a former Toledo rocket football player, and now faithful.
I root for the rockets week in and week out, becasue I know that their losing is not a matter of them "not trying".
I have played with great rocket teams, and I have played with "not so" great rocket teams and the opinions of our fans still remains the same.
I read this board pretty frequently over the past couple of years, and this is my very first post. And I have to just pin point some pet peeves of players.
1. When a player is not playing well, he gets dogged on this board.
---In case you guys are unaware, about 90% of the toledo rocket football players read this message board, so when they are going through a rough time, they then come on here and get called names by their VERY OWN FANS!..Coaches are one thing, they can handle it, it is their job. But when you come on here and talk about 18 year old kids like they are wastes of life because they missed tackles, dropped balls, or didnt make a throw, if you were unaware, Let me be the first to tell you, YOU MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE SH*T!, now if that is your goal, more power to you, but then dont come back more upset when they do the exact same thing the following week.
2. Please research what a "Bubble Screen" is.
---When i played here I was a defender, but I know a lot about the offemse...Yes, Toledo throws millions of screens. And yes, as of lately, they rarely work. But the reason you "football" faithfuls classify alllll of them as bubble screens baffles me. There are different kinds of screens. There are WR JAILBREAK screens, which we run the most of, there are RB screens, and then their Bubble Screens. The bubble screen is where the inside WR on one side of 2 or more WR's runs a bubble route, or in little league terms a banana route (Think nick moore versus Fresno on the fumble/incomplete pass for a Fresno TD). The bubble screen is ran by every single team in the country! And not as much as you guys think here. Vs. Ball State Toledo did not run ONE bubble screen the entire game. Rewatch it, and Im willing to bet you $1000 dollars
3. The last one I will talk about is Fan Support (and Ill make it brief, I have to go to work)
---Do you know what it is like for players to look in the audience, and see more Ohio State and Michigan gear than toledo? Do you know what it is like for players to hear fans scream louder for the MICH and OSU game scores than they do on any rocket big play?
Rocket fans have to be some of the most wishy washy fans in the country. Yes, I understand that we have had a couple very long and painful years, but so does that mean we shouldnt go to the games??? I was sitting in the glassbowl at the Fresno State game at the beginning of the 4th quarter flabergasted at watching fans leaving the game when we were beating a top 25 team in the glass bowl!!! It was the damndest thing I had ever seen. Michigan is sucking now too, I doubt that their fans are gonna just "stop going to the games". Lastly, you fans dont realize how much of an impact you have on how not only our team plays, but how the other team plays. As a player the best feeling when playing an away game, is the home team not having a lot of fans, because it takes away the home field advantage.
Playing in loud rowdy away settings is redicuoulsy hard to get a team rhythym going, think MINN 04 and Kansas 04.
Once again sorry if I offended anybody, but just as easy as coaches and players get dogged, I believe the finger should be pointed both ways.
Welcome.
#3 is not an issue with the people that post on this board.
#1 is legit. Players should not be singled out (unless they clearly demonstrate that they are merely going thru the motions), the coaching staff however, are fair game.
#2 thanks for the insight/education.
Glad most of the players read the boards (and are angry). I hope they prove many of us wrong.
Rocket Confidental Wrote:Michigan is sucking now too, I doubt that their fans are gonna just "stop going to the games".
from what I have read their advance ticket sales are down for all games
nice post Rocket_Confidential. an honest opinion from an insider is nice to see.
i agree 100% that bashing people is not productive, i think it just comes out due to frustration. also, i see the same thing of people making some "uneducated" football comments, especially in regards to names of plays and things we should be doing. unfortunately, a lot of us don't have the knowledge and experience as people who have played like yourself. but at least people are on here posting and showing interest, right?
i'm cuirious what your take on this season is. is the talent just over-hyped? is the talent there, and the coaching falling short? is the team just down because our fans have let them down? how we do turn this around?
Rocket Confidental Wrote:I understand that I will probably make a lot of you guys upset with this post, but I am just merely stating the lockeroom opinion of the Toledo Football Players over the past 7 years or so.
I am a former Toledo rocket football player, and now faithful.
I root for the rockets week in and week out, becasue I know that their losing is not a matter of them "not trying".
I have played with great rocket teams, and I have played with "not so" great rocket teams and the opinions of our fans still remains the same.
I read this board pretty frequently over the past couple of years, and this is my very first post. And I have to just pin point some pet peeves of players.
1. When a player is not playing well, he gets dogged on this board.
---In case you guys are unaware, about 90% of the toledo rocket football players read this message board, so when they are going through a rough time, they then come on here and get called names by their VERY OWN FANS!..Coaches are one thing, they can handle it, it is their job. But when you come on here and talk about 18 year old kids like they are wastes of life because they missed tackles, dropped balls, or didnt make a throw, if you were unaware, Let me be the first to tell you, YOU MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE SH*T!, now if that is your goal, more power to you, but then dont come back more upset when they do the exact same thing the following week.
2. Please research what a "Bubble Screen" is.
---When i played here I was a defender, but I know a lot about the offemse...Yes, Toledo throws millions of screens. And yes, as of lately, they rarely work. But the reason you "football" faithfuls classify alllll of them as bubble screens baffles me. There are different kinds of screens. There are WR JAILBREAK screens, which we run the most of, there are RB screens, and then their Bubble Screens. The bubble screen is where the inside WR on one side of 2 or more WR's runs a bubble route, or in little league terms a banana route (Think nick moore versus Fresno on the fumble/incomplete pass for a Fresno TD). The bubble screen is ran by every single team in the country! And not as much as you guys think here. Vs. Ball State Toledo did not run ONE bubble screen the entire game. Rewatch it, and Im willing to bet you $1000 dollars
3. The last one I will talk about is Fan Support (and Ill make it brief, I have to go to work)
---Do you know what it is like for players to look in the audience, and see more Ohio State and Michigan gear than toledo? Do you know what it is like for players to hear fans scream louder for the MICH and OSU game scores than they do on any rocket big play?
Rocket fans have to be some of the most wishy washy fans in the country. Yes, I understand that we have had a couple very long and painful years, but so does that mean we shouldnt go to the games??? I was sitting in the glassbowl at the Fresno State game at the beginning of the 4th quarter flabergasted at watching fans leaving the game when we were beating a top 25 team in the glass bowl!!! It was the damndest thing I had ever seen. Michigan is sucking now too, I doubt that their fans are gonna just "stop going to the games". Lastly, you fans dont realize how much of an impact you have on how not only our team plays, but how the other team plays. As a player the best feeling when playing an away game, is the home team not having a lot of fans, because it takes away the home field advantage.
Playing in loud rowdy away settings is redicuoulsy hard to get a team rhythym going, think MINN 04 and Kansas 04.
Once again sorry if I offended anybody, but just as easy as coaches and players get dogged, I believe the finger should be pointed both ways.
Welcome aboard Rocket Confidential!
It's nice to have another loyal fan and former player in our midst. I hope that you post here often.
#1 Calling players names. I've been on this board a long time, and one thing that we all understand and try to abide by...is that calling players out is off-limits. We may say that Opelt has not played up to his potential or that Stephan Williams dropped several possible catches, but we never "dog" on a player or call them names. We never go after the players character. The coaches...well....we're ALL OVER THEM!!! What are we as fans supposed to do? Should we say oh...the player in the QB position was superior today even with the fumble and interception and 50% pass completion....or perhaps...our #2 receiver on the left side should have had 12 catches tonight but the balls must have been overinflated, thus uncatchable. Let's be realistic.....we're not going to say that.
If a player can't handle the very, very light heat that we dish out here...then they really shouldn't be playing the game. They're getting a scholarship (most are) to play football at the University of Toledo. You need to earn that money on the field and perform up to your potential. That's what we as fans expect.
#2 Some people on here may not know what the Bubble Screen is, but they know what a screen is. The biggest complaint is that we seem to be running too many screens....and quite unsuccessfully at that.
#3 Fan Support. Questioning the Fan Support on this board is not wise. The people on this board are the biggest supporters of The University of Toledo sports teams. Several people on this board donate a lot of money and time to the University. Nobody on this board shows up to a game in any other school attire other than the Toledo Rockets. You should not question the loyalty of people on this forum...and frankly...I'm offended by you calling us wishy-washy. I live in South Florida and I try to attend at least one game per year. I've been to all three Pitt games, I was at the opener vs. Purdue last year. I was at the home opener vs. WMU two years ago. So I don't want to hear about my loyalty or support. Ask Ranger Rocket....I own nearly every piece of Rocket themed merchandise he has in his shop.
Now, that's not to say that other people in the Glass Bowl stands aren't bandwagon fans....because they are...but nobody on this forum are amongst the people you are talking about......and you're going to hear a lot more about this point........trust me.
Now...you cannot point your finger at the fans for the performance of the team on the field. Fans have to pay to attend the games. Fans pay to be entertained. Fans pay to see the team win. When the team is playing as bad as they have been the past 3 seasons.....why would people pay to watch their team lose to one of the worst teams in DIV I (FIU) then get shut-out the following week against Ball State?
It's up to the coaches and the players to perform well so fans would actually want to watch the team play. If you as a player don't want to feel bad....then become a leader and get your teammates to rally and start playing better, or quit playing football. You're on the field...not me. I came to watch you....and I paid to watch....so you need to perform. If you win...fans will be there. Get my point?
I apologize for my rant...but I'm very disappointed in Rockets football...and for some reason this post just struck me the wrong way.
1. When a player is not playing well, he gets dogged on this board.
I know that everyone tries not to do this out of respect for players/families, but it does sometimes happen. Probably should be more careful in this respect.
2. Please research what a "Bubble Screen" is.
Agreed
3. The last one I will talk about is Fan Support (and Ill make it brief, I have to go to work)
I really wanted to post on this subject. We were at the Florida game and a couple sitting in the seats in front and to the right of me (about 5 seats down), took out their ticket and make a 'tick' with a pen each time we rang our bells or yelled. In addition, gave us many nasty looks! Unbelievable! The next game, they weren't there - did I mention we are season ticket holders?
We cheer when the Toledo team shows up in their buses, and we cheer for them after the game, no matter the outcome. It is really discouraging to see the people leaving at 3rd quarter.
RocketPsycho Wrote:3. The last one I will talk about is Fan Support (and Ill make it brief, I have to go to work)
I really wanted to post on this subject. We were at the Florida game and a couple sitting in the seats in front and to the right of me (about 5 seats down), took out their ticket and make a 'tick' with a pen each time we rang our bells or yelled. In addition, gave us many nasty looks! Unbelievable! The next game, they weren't there - did I mention we are season ticket holders?
that story about the couple is insane, NO make that Psycho!
I actually had a man in front of us at the Fresno game start a fight with my entire row because he said we were the biggest whiners he's ever heard. And that was just because the area around us was all booing calls by the officials and cheering the Rockets loudly. He was a Miami grad, by the way, and had his young son with him. He moved seats after that down about 10 rows and then turned around and glared at us the rest of the game.
Thank you for your post RConfidential...it is nice to see it from the 'player-inside' perspective. I on the other hand am part of the 'coaching-inside' perspective. And, what i can tell you is the same: coaches read these boards. They understand the frustrations of the fans, but also tend to write off most posts as uneducated (incorrect bubble screen references constantly). I can guarantee you that the coaching staff gives 110% of what they have week in and week out. And, when the players do not perform, they take the blame on themselves, even if it is truly lack of execution by the team. So, your voices are being heard loud and clear. And from what I hear, most of you have missed your calling in life. Obviously you should have been college football coaches...I'm sure the team would be undefeated if you all were at the helm.
I'm going to keep my mouth shut on this one, in fear of pissing everyone off. :irate:
UTRox6 Wrote:Thank you for your post RConfidential...it is nice to see it from the 'player-inside' perspective. I on the other hand am part of the 'coaching-inside' perspective. And, what i can tell you is the same: coaches read these boards. They understand the frustrations of the fans, but also tend to write off most posts as uneducated (incorrect bubble screen references constantly). I can guarantee you that the coaching staff gives 110% of what they have week in and week out. And, when the players do not perform, they take the blame on themselves, even if it is truly lack of execution by the team. So, your voices are being heard loud and clear. And from what I hear, most of you have missed your calling in life. Obviously you should have been college football coaches...I'm sure the team would be undefeated if you all were at the helm.
Fans share absolutely no blame for back-to-back 5-7 seasons, and this year's 1-4 effort (that's an 11-18 record over 2.5 seasons, a dismal 37.9% winning percentage). Blame whomever you want, however someone's not getting the job done on the field (and it ain't the fans).
utpotts Wrote:I'm going to keep my mouth shut on this one, in fear of pissing everyone off. :irate:
I'm not. I understand the original poster pointing out bashing the players, and for the most part, I think the posters on this board refrain from anything that crosses the line. I think we can be critical of a players performance, but all of us understand they are kids and not professionals. With that in mind, the coaches are fair game. They are paid professionals and I would have to believe they can find better things to do during the season then check message boards. If that's not the case then I think I might have a theory on why we are seeing some questionable coaching week in and week out.
barr_b2 Wrote:utpotts Wrote:I'm going to keep my mouth shut on this one, in fear of pissing everyone off. :irate:
They are paid professionals and I would have to believe they can find better things to do during the season then check message boards. If that's not the case then I think I might have a theory on why we are seeing some questionable coaching week in and week out.
All that these coaches think about, night and day, is Toledo football. How to be successful. What needs to change to win. Why certain things didnt work, and what they can do next week to make a difference. So, when they are not in the office, grinding out game plans, preparing for practice, and relentlessly watching hours of film, they are at home and should be enjoying their families. But, from what I understand, they are still thinking about Toledo football, and reading these ridiculous message boards before bed, just so it can be reinforced as to how bad of a job they are doing.
First, I'd like to welcome the new posters/long-time lurkers. I would LOVE to see all of you (I believe there were 3 on this thread that I've never seen before) become more involved here. One of the things the people on this board are searching for, imo, is a better understanding of how this all works. I know I am. I've watched it my whole life, going back to the '60s, but I won't pretend to know this game as a coach or player does. Your insights can help to educate all of us, as TampaRocket and DVargo have shown.
UTRox6, I was especially pleased to see you chime in. Honestly, the coaching staff does such a good job of not letting the adversity show that we fans have no clue that any of the coaches read here. Coach Amstutz has shown a bit of a dismissive attitude about internet message boards, and to a degree, rightly so. And I've been told by at least one administrator that the content here is not necessarily indicative of Toledo as a whole, both for good and bad. And that's true. As he put it, these are the folks who are passionate about Rocket athletics. They/we tend to get very high over big wins and very low over bad losses (like there's good ones???). Most people don't. But then again, most people don't care like we do.
One of the things I've been impressed to see up close is the ability of the staff to stay positive, both publicly and at practices, with the players, and especially with the fans and media. And frankly, that tendency led me to believe that NONE of the coaches and very few of the players ever ventured here or knew what the die-hards were thinking.
As others have said, it's maddening to US to see OSU, UM, ND, etc., garb in the stands. Shoot, I saw a cluster of OSU stadium seats last Saturday. I just don't get that. And it's something that everyone on this board has been upset about for a very long time. The first time I saw it discussed on a UT message board was well back into the 90s, on an old AOL board. Coach Pinkel FINALLY was able to get the concessionaire to stop selling that crap at the Glass Bowl.
I think one of the big things the fans are riled up about is the fact that they're kept completely in the dark about goals, etc., for the program. And that's something that could easily be fixed, imo. It's alwasy been obvious that Coach Amstutz likes to keep things close to the vest. But that doesn't help the dedicated fan feel like part of the solution, and they could be.The Rockets are getting there in baby steps. That's how a program has to be built, I think. Unfortunately, babies fall down now and then. We got spoiled, in a way, with a program that was always improving, always challenging, and it's as frustrating to this type of fan as you can imagine, though I won't pretend it's as frustrating as it is to the players and coaches. I've seen the players right after a tough loss, and there is NOBODY harder on them than they are on themselves. I absolutely believe they're giving it all they've got, but the "little things" have begun to get in their heads. And confidence is the hardest thing to get back. I wish you and the rest of the staff well. We're still rooting for you.
RangerRocket Wrote:UTRox6 Wrote:Thank you for your post RConfidential...it is nice to see it from the 'player-inside' perspective. I on the other hand am part of the 'coaching-inside' perspective. And, what i can tell you is the same: coaches read these boards. They understand the frustrations of the fans, but also tend to write off most posts as uneducated (incorrect bubble screen references constantly). I can guarantee you that the coaching staff gives 110% of what they have week in and week out. And, when the players do not perform, they take the blame on themselves, even if it is truly lack of execution by the team. So, your voices are being heard loud and clear. And from what I hear, most of you have missed your calling in life. Obviously you should have been college football coaches...I'm sure the team would be undefeated if you all were at the helm.
Fans share absolutely no blame for back-to-back 5-7 seasons, and this year's 1-4 effort (that's an 11-18 record over 2.5 seasons, a dismal 37.9% winning percentage). Blame whomever you want, however someone's not getting the job done on the field (and it ain't the fans).
Thanks Ranger...I knew you'd have my back on this one.
UTRox6 Wrote:barr_b2 Wrote:utpotts Wrote:I'm going to keep my mouth shut on this one, in fear of pissing everyone off. :irate:
They are paid professionals and I would have to believe they can find better things to do during the season then check message boards. If that's not the case then I think I might have a theory on why we are seeing some questionable coaching week in and week out.
All that these coaches think about, night and day, is Toledo football. How to be successful. What needs to change to win. Why certain things didnt work, and what they can do next week to make a difference. So, when they are not in the office, grinding out game plans, preparing for practice, and relentlessly watching hours of film, they are at home and should be enjoying their families. But, from what I understand, they are still thinking about Toledo football, and reading these ridiculous message boards before bed, just so it can be reinforced as to how bad of a job they are doing.
I'm not trying to get into some kind of pissing contest about this, because I really think all of us are here for the same reason, to support Toledo athletics, football in particular. But honestly, after back to back 5 win seasons and the start we've seen this year, what should the fans say about the coaching? You certainly cannot commend it, and if we all sat around saying nothing then the board may cease to exist. You may have insider knowledge to what the coaches do on their time off, but I hope if they have free time during the season, this would be the last option to kill time.
Rocket Confidental Wrote:I understand that I will probably make a lot of you guys upset with this post, but I am just merely stating the lockeroom opinion of the Toledo Football Players over the past 7 years or so.
I am a former Toledo rocket football player, and now faithful.
I root for the rockets week in and week out, becasue I know that their losing is not a matter of them "not trying".
I have played with great rocket teams, and I have played with "not so" great rocket teams and the opinions of our fans still remains the same.
I read this board pretty frequently over the past couple of years, and this is my very first post. And I have to just pin point some pet peeves of players.
1. When a player is not playing well, he gets dogged on this board.
---In case you guys are unaware, about 90% of the toledo rocket football players read this message board, so when they are going through a rough time, they then come on here and get called names by their VERY OWN FANS!..Coaches are one thing, they can handle it, it is their job. But when you come on here and talk about 18 year old kids like they are wastes of life because they missed tackles, dropped balls, or didnt make a throw, if you were unaware, Let me be the first to tell you, YOU MAKE THEM FEEL LIKE SH*T!, now if that is your goal, more power to you, but then dont come back more upset when they do the exact same thing the following week.
2. Please research what a "Bubble Screen" is.
---When i played here I was a defender, but I know a lot about the offemse...Yes, Toledo throws millions of screens. And yes, as of lately, they rarely work. But the reason you "football" faithfuls classify alllll of them as bubble screens baffles me. There are different kinds of screens. There are WR JAILBREAK screens, which we run the most of, there are RB screens, and then their Bubble Screens. The bubble screen is where the inside WR on one side of 2 or more WR's runs a bubble route, or in little league terms a banana route (Think nick moore versus Fresno on the fumble/incomplete pass for a Fresno TD). The bubble screen is ran by every single team in the country! And not as much as you guys think here. Vs. Ball State Toledo did not run ONE bubble screen the entire game. Rewatch it, and Im willing to bet you $1000 dollars
3. The last one I will talk about is Fan Support (and Ill make it brief, I have to go to work)
---Do you know what it is like for players to look in the audience, and see more Ohio State and Michigan gear than toledo? Do you know what it is like for players to hear fans scream louder for the MICH and OSU game scores than they do on any rocket big play?
Rocket fans have to be some of the most wishy washy fans in the country. Yes, I understand that we have had a couple very long and painful years, but so does that mean we shouldnt go to the games??? I was sitting in the glassbowl at the Fresno State game at the beginning of the 4th quarter flabergasted at watching fans leaving the game when we were beating a top 25 team in the glass bowl!!! It was the damndest thing I had ever seen. Michigan is sucking now too, I doubt that their fans are gonna just "stop going to the games". Lastly, you fans dont realize how much of an impact you have on how not only our team plays, but how the other team plays. As a player the best feeling when playing an away game, is the home team not having a lot of fans, because it takes away the home field advantage.
Playing in loud rowdy away settings is redicuoulsy hard to get a team rhythym going, think MINN 04 and Kansas 04.
Once again sorry if I offended anybody, but just as easy as coaches and players get dogged, I believe the finger should be pointed both ways.
not bad post, but the title pisses me off. i wish i hadnt spent 4 years rooting for a player that was gonna come on here and call me pathetic
i think that's his point. if it ticks you off that he called us fans pathetic, think twice before you rip on the team (not you specifically, just anyone in general), because it probably makes them feel the same way. just like we lose half of our fans because they say the team sucks, maybe the team is losing their hearts because people are ragging on them.
personally, i'm disappointed in the record. i think there are things coaches and players alike could be executing better. but the season moves on, and i'll still be there for every game. the heart and effort of the coaches and players are appreciated - i certainly never wish failure upon you. keep at it and bring us some more victories!
Karl puts up with more as a mod than most of the players do. I can assure you that this board is absolutely mild in its treatment of plyers and coaches. Doesn't make everything that is said about players OK but still... I think players get a lot of praise when they work hard and play well. Those guys never take any heat here unless they have a mullett...