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It's about time someone stood up to the backhanded treatment Birmingham has been receiving. Even those opposed to the dome in the Birmingham Metro acknowledge that the state has continued to ignore Birmingham. Some of you I'm sure will disagree, but I'm proud of Rogers and the rest of the Metro area representatives for standing up to the good ole boys in Montgomery.
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Dome `holy war' locks the House
Friday, February 18, 2005
KIM CHANDLER
News staff writer
MONTGOMERY - Jefferson County lawmakers shut down the House of Representatives Thursday over the state's refusal to help pay for a domed stadium in the county.

"This is holy war for us. We are not going to quit," said Rep. John Rogers, D-Birmingham.

Birmingham-area lawmakers formed a united front to filibuster for five hours to delay a bill that would give the State Port Authority $80 million from the Alabama Capital Improvement Trust Fund. Birmingham area lawmakers argued that the domed stadium project was equally deserving of funding.

"The dome is about economic development. This will create more jobs than Honda and Mercedes," Rogers said.

The filibuster began in the morning and dragged on until 4:30 p.m. The House is expected to move on to other bills Tuesday, but Rogers said he will start stalling tactics again anytime the port bill comes up.

"We want y'all to get your piece. We just want a little piece, too," said Rep. Priscilla Dunn, D-Bessemer.

The "piece" that domed-stadium backers want is $150 million from the state in the form of $5 million annual contributions for 30 years. Gov. Bob Riley has turned down the request, saying that much money was not possible but the state could support the project in other ways.

"Governor Riley has been consistent in his commitment to economic development for Birmingham and Jefferson County, as well as every other part of the state," said John Matson, Riley's deputy press secretary.

Matson said the state docks were specifically mentioned in the constitutional amendment voters approved when they created the Capital Improvement Trust Fund in 2000.

"This money was promised to the port," Matson said.


Feeling `left out':

The Jefferson delegation, which has often fractured along racial and party lines, was united Thursday in the filibuster.

Rep. Scott Beason, R-Gardendale, said he wasn't for the dome project, but felt more money should be steered to the state's most populous county.

"I do firmly believe Jefferson County has been left out of the mix in economic development," Beason said.

He said the county has missed prospects. "We have lost out on many opportunities to bring in industry and business."

Rogers introduced a bill Thursday to direct the $150 million over 30 years from the Capital Improvement Trust Fund to the dome project. Lawmakers said they wanted that bill to move as a package with the port bill. The fund is projected to have a $150 million balance this fiscal year.

Speaker of the House Seth Hammett said he understood Jefferson County lawmakers' concerns, but feared the dome funding would create a free-for-all.

"Once you add moneys for Jefferson County for the project they want, then you'll have members adding other projects they want," Hammett said.

Rep. John Knight, chairman of the House General Fund, said the state simply couldn't afford the dome.

"I'm not opposed to a domed stadium or anything else that we'd like to try and do in this state, but at some point, we have to be realistic in terms of what we can afford," Knight said.

Rogers and other area lawmakers disputed the assertion that the state didn't have the money.

Supporters of the proposed $567 million, 65,000-seat stadium have been stuck trying to put together the final pieces of the funding puzzle. The project needs $10 million a year more in commitments, and backers had hoped to receive $5 million from the state and $5 million from the City of Birmingham.

Rogers said Jefferson County and its legislative delegation were being snubbed by state leaders.

"Give us some respect. We are 18 members strong, and we get no respect. We are the Rodney Dangerfield of the Legislature," Rogers said.

If the filibuster continues, an option available to House members is to vote to cut off debate. Rogers said if that happened, he would expand his stalling tactics to other bills.

"I promise you I'll go on a guerrilla mission for the next two years. I am determined to go down fighting," Rogers said.


E-mail: kchandler@bhamnews.com
Blazer85 Wrote:Rep. John Knight, chairman of the House General Fund, said the state simply couldn't afford the dome.
what a crock. the money in question is not comming from the general fund its from the economic developement fund. Its total BS to tell Birmingham/Jeff CO we dont have any money to give you but we are going to give Mobile/Baldwin Co $80,000,000.
Blazer85,

Did you not know that money had already been earmarked for the State Docks project, which will serve our growing car industry and will help attract future industries?

"The docks' request is a remnant of Amendment 666, which voters approved in 2000. That measure set up the Capital Improvement Trust Fund and authorized the governor's bond commission to sell state bonds for economic development projects.

The docks is mentioned specifically in the amendment as an intended recipient. The amendment does not contain a dollar figure, though then-Gov. Don Siegelman promised $100 million. He delivered $20 million of that before leaving office in 2003, with the rest intended to come in four future installments of $20 million each, also from bond proceeds. "

John Rogers is just being a cry baby.
Sarahbelle18 Wrote:Blazer85,

Did you not know that money had already been earmarked for the State Docks project, which will serve our growing car industry and will help attract future industries?

"The docks' request is a remnant of Amendment 666, which voters approved in 2000. That measure set up the Capital Improvement Trust Fund and authorized the governor's bond commission to sell state bonds for economic development projects.

The docks is mentioned specifically in the amendment as an intended recipient. The amendment does not contain a dollar figure, though then-Gov. Don Siegelman promised $100 million. He delivered $20 million of that before leaving office in 2003, with the rest intended to come in four future installments of $20 million each, also from bond proceeds. "

John Rogers is just being a cry baby.
no the problem is they told us to go to hell. the money needs to go to mobile but some of that largess needs to make its way towards birmingham as well. not one member is saying the project in mobile is not worthy.
Then what's the point?

The money has been promised to the State Docks project. I don't see where his holding it up is going to benefit his cause.

And calling it a "Holy War"? What's up with that?
I think John Rogers is a disgrace to even have a office at UAB.
I laugh everytime I see him on TV to think he is a "representative".
John Rogers is a twit and an embarassment. He's also right - the Legislature has a history of taking money from the many taxpayers in JeffCo and using it for economic development in other cities, which is fine, while denying funding to JeffCo for a number of worthy projects, which is not.

Personally, I think the dome project is a boondoggle. I also think there is more than a little truth in the "y'all gotta quit shafting Jefferson County" line.
Sarahbelle18 Wrote:Then what's the point?

The money has been promised to the State Docks project. I don't see where his holding it up is going to benefit his cause.

And calling it a "Holy War"? What's up with that?
because thats how you get things done in politics. its a screwed up system but if you want to get anything done you have to play the game and that is what they are doing.
Sarahbelle18 Wrote:Then what's the point?

The money has been promised to the State Docks project. I don't see where his holding it up is going to benefit his cause.

And calling it a "Holy War"? What's up with that?
The point is... he and other representatives from Birmingham are fed up. Theyre not lying down anymore and continuing to let money and opportunity go out the window to others in the state at the EXPENSE of Birmingham.
And why do you think the state has it out for Birmingham? Could it be the ineptitude of the elected officials? There has to be a reason why the state doesn't trust Birmingham with large amounts of project money...I would love to hear your conspiracy theories.
Sarahbelle18 Wrote:And why do you think the state has it out for Birmingham?  Could it be the ineptitude of the elected officials?    There has to be a reason why the state doesn't trust Birmingham with large amounts of project money...I would love to hear your conspiracy theories.
Has little to do with the leadership. More to do with jealousy of Birmingham coming from the rest of the state. And yes, ever since Birmingham grew virtually overnight, those particularly south of Birmingham in Montgomery and Mobile have hated the "city slickers" of Birmingham... and yes, years ago, that's what people called people from Birmingham. Many people in this state hate anything to do with "yankees" or the north and Birmingham was one of few industrialized "yankee-like" cities in the south. The way the state has been treating Birmingham lately is nothing new.
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That's just wrong and uncalled for.

Did Blake get a hold of your login?
damn. :moon:
I'm confused.

I posted a pic of a man with a tin foil hat...are we not seeing the same things? 03-confused
There definitely wasn't a tin-foil hat.
Someone either hacked my picture or my post.

My apologies...it's the second time that's happened this week. I had to remove my avatar on here because someone took my doggie pic and replaced it.
Sarahbelle18 Wrote:Someone either hacked my picture or my post.

My apologies...it's the second time that's happened this week. I had to remove my avatar on here because someone took my doggie pic and replaced it.
So you dont have a picture like that on your computer right? Because that would be disturbing.
I didn't see the picture but I'm going to say no.

Again, I apologize. It really sucks that someones doing this to my pictures. I guess I'll have to be more careful when posting.

BlazerSax is probably paying me back for all the photoshopping I did to his pictures.

edit...somone hacked the site where I host my pics :( All of my pictures are now gone.
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