The BoT gave the go ahead last night for CMU's plans to open a medical school. They will be putting on an addition to the medical sciences building and hope to have the first class of 100 students there in 2011. There are still a lot of steps to take including raising the roughly 100 million dollars it will take to establish the program as well as setting up relationships with hospitals for 3rd and 4th year med students. This was a great step taken by the university and logical considering CMU already had a great PA school and therefore a base to build the medical school off of.
I'm curious, what other MAC schools have medical programs?
Ohio University has the College of Osteopathic Medicine.
Toledo is the only one of which I am aware but there certainly could be more.
Akron and Kent are partnered with
NEOUCOM.
Buffalo is a big time U with medical, law, engineering, pharmacy, etc.
and and last but not least, an improving FB program.
http://www.buffalo.edu/aboutub/
Very impressive school.
Put this school in Florida and add a winning FB program and it would be a marque school.
The only difference between a UB and Florida State is 50 degrees in winter and a bunch of national championships in FB.
I believe UB is very underrated (because of lack of championship FB teams) and FSU is overrated (because of FB).
UNLV was the classic case of a school becoming OVERrated (much so) because of an athletic program.
eich41 Wrote:The BoT gave the go ahead last night for CMU's plans to open a medical school. They will be putting on an addition to the medical sciences building and hope to have the first class of 100 students there in 2011. There are still a lot of steps to take including raising the roughly 100 million dollars it will take to establish the program as well as setting up relationships with hospitals for 3rd and 4th year med students. This was a great step taken by the university and logical considering CMU already had a great PA school and therefore a base to build the medical school off of.
emu steve Wrote:Buffalo is a big time U with medical, law, engineering, pharmacy, etc.
and and last but not least, an improving FB program.
http://www.buffalo.edu/aboutub/
Very impressive school.
Put this school in Florida and add a winning FB program and it would be a marque school.
The only difference between a UB and Florida State is 50 degrees in winter and a bunch of national championships in FB.
I believe UB is very underrated (because of lack of championship FB teams) and FSU is overrated (because of FB).
UNLV was the classic case of a school becoming OVERrated (much so) because of an athletic program.
I agree that Buffalo without question is a great school, they are 1 of only 60 members of the American Association of Universities (AAU). They are also in Upstate New York which has a progressive tradition and near Canada where its 19 to drink. Many students come from the NYC which is good if you want a career in that region.
The weather is a big downside fror most people at UB though it is close to decent skiing, and of course there is an invention called and
airplane that can take a freshman to a quick weekend getaway to key west.
I don't think athletics are what is giving schools a bump as much as the end result of other factors.
1. Located in a rich urban area. This helps UNLV substantially.
2. Land Grant school in a state without quality private universities. This I think helps many state flagships in the south where you don't have many quality privates out there competing. In the East/Midwest for years the privates were/are more prestigious.
eich41 Wrote:This was a great step taken by the university and logical considering CMU already had a great PA school and therefore a base to build the medical school off of.
I'm curious, what other MAC schools have medical programs?
WHat does CMU's Performing Arts school have to do with a medical college?
Somebody to empty bedpans when they are out of work actors?
owen Wrote:eich41 Wrote:This was a great step taken by the university and logical considering CMU already had a great PA school and therefore a base to build the medical school off of.
I'm curious, what other MAC schools have medical programs?
WHat does CMU's Performing Arts school have to do with a medical college?
Somebody to empty bedpans when they are out of work actors?
I interpreted PA to mean Public Administration.
They likely have a program in health administration, hence the lead in to the medical school.
It's actually Physicians Assistant, which is one step down from a doctor.
A few random thoughts: I believe Temple has a school of medicine too. At one time (I don't know if they still do) OU's COM had an association with Parkview Hospital here in Toledo. I believe before its all said and done, CMU will spend a heck of a lot more than 100 million. I just can't see being able to build a hospital, research labs, a library, and classrooms for less than half a billion.
Airport KC Wrote:owen Wrote:eich41 Wrote:This was a great step taken by the university and logical considering CMU already had a great PA school and therefore a base to build the medical school off of.
I'm curious, what other MAC schools have medical programs?
WHat does CMU's Performing Arts school have to do with a medical college?
Somebody to empty bedpans when they are out of work actors?
I interpreted PA to mean Public Administration.
They likely have a program in health administration, hence the lead in to the medical school.
This thread is getting to be a classic.
I guess in my case it is helpful that a cousin is a PA (physician's assistant).
Schools don't usually build hospitals. Med school goes like this: Years 1 & 2 are spent on campus where you do pretty much all bookwork and learn all the information. Then for your 3rd & 4th year you go to hospitals that have partnered with the college and do clinical rotations. Then you do 2-3 years of residency in the area you'll practice in. The only schools that have hospitals are the large, highly acclaimed, universities like UCLA, John Hopkins, UofM, etc. Central already has a lot of the resources from the PA school, so they already have a library and labs. They'll be able to do it for 100 million.
RocketJeff Wrote:A few random thoughts: I believe Temple has a school of medicine too. At one time (I don't know if they still do) OU's COM had an association with Parkview Hospital here in Toledo. I believe before its all said and done, CMU will spend a heck of a lot more than 100 million. I just can't see being able to build a hospital, research labs, a library, and classrooms for less than half a billion.
Not in this economy.
Someday, the Great Lakes region will experience a Renaissance and that will change all the dynamics.
I was at the Brookings Institute where they are assembling a national plan for the region. They are focusing on human capital needs for the region to compete globally.
That is what my work in airports is about, how to develop an airport as an economic module for a region. How to integrate research and development efforts into a transportation hub is a question I look at. Then creating a R&D economy to go with it.
eich41 Wrote:The only schools that have hospitals are the large, highly acclaimed, universities like UCLA, John Hopkins, UofM, etc. .
Well, I can think of at least ONE other school that has its own hospital. And, oh yeah, its a MAC school. Of course it IS a large highly acclaimed school, especially over on the Toledo board.
LOL, well I don't know the details of Toledo's med program, but I do know that a hospital is not a prerequisite for a medical school.
I'm not certain that this is a good move for CMU. They don't offer one PhD program in the sciences, so you have to wonder what infrastructure they have.
Since this will not be a state sponsored program, it will be a private medical school and very expensive.
Most medical schools do have their own hospitals and students are on campus for four years. Some schools are community based, and students spend years three and four off campus.
UT Medical Center
Toledo's medical schools is the former Medical University of Ohio. It's tough to get in, and usually graduates of places like Penn State, Northwestern, etc get admitted. It's a pretty well known medical school with probably the 2nd largest hospital in the Toledo area, behind Toledo Hospital.
Airport KC Wrote:emu steve Wrote:Buffalo is a big time U with medical, law, engineering, pharmacy, etc.
and and last but not least, an improving FB program.
http://www.buffalo.edu/aboutub/
Very impressive school.
Put this school in Florida and add a winning FB program and it would be a marque school.
The only difference between a UB and Florida State is 50 degrees in winter and a bunch of national championships in FB.
I believe UB is very underrated (because of lack of championship FB teams) and FSU is overrated (because of FB).
UNLV was the classic case of a school becoming OVERrated (much so) because of an athletic program.
I agree that Buffalo without question is a great school, they are 1 of only 60 members of the American Association of Universities (AAU). They are also in Upstate New York which has a progressive tradition and near Canada where its 19 to drink. Many students come from the NYC which is good if you want a career in that region.
The weather is a big downside fror most people at UB though it is close to decent skiing, and of course there is an invention called and airplane that can take a freshman to a quick weekend getaway to key west.
I don't think athletics are what is giving schools a bump as much as the end result of other factors.
1. Located in a rich urban area. This helps UNLV substantially.
2. Land Grant school in a state without quality private universities. This I think helps many state flagships in the south where you don't have many quality privates out there competing. In the East/Midwest for years the privates were/are more prestigious.
How exactly is UNLV a overrated university, they are Tier 4 according to US News (obviously not the best measure). But I have never heard anyone say that UNLV is a great university.
H2Oville Rocket Wrote:eich41 Wrote:The only schools that have hospitals are the large, highly acclaimed, universities like UCLA, John Hopkins, UofM, etc. .
Well, I can think of at least ONE other school that has its own hospital. And, oh yeah, its a MAC school. Of course it IS a large highly acclaimed school, especially over on the Toledo board.
And Baylor, University of Texas, University of Oklahoma, University of Arizona, Duke, University of Pennsylvania, Pitt, Vanderbilt, Stanford, University of Chicago, Yale, Univeristy of Washington, UC-San Francisco, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, University of Iowa, University of Utah, University of New Mexico, ect...
You get my point without me listing all of them, a lot of schools have their own hospitals. Not only the large, highly acclaimed universities have their own. Most well established medical schools have their own hospitals, even newly forming programs like East Carolina are establishing hospitals.