calvin12 Wrote:UIHuskie Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:nothing I ever said had the students paying 50, I said 20 for the student tickets. you also are failing to consider teh other revenue sources available at HS. We will not get parking or ceoncessions at SF.
I know you didn't, which is why I used $0 and $20. You'd have to average over $60 per ticket for the 20,500 regular, non-student seats to reach an average ticket price of $50 for 28,000 seats whether the students pay $0 each (over $68 per ticket for everybody else) or $20 each (over $60 per ticket for everybody else).
There are other revenues, but I don't think they're enough to get you to the point where it makes up the difference.
I'll just agree to disagree. I think the odds are that the NIU athletic department has done the analysis on its own with much more reliable, concrete numbers than either you or I have attempted to use. They have (apparently) decided that it's not an economically sensible decision to pass up a game at Soldier Field.
If they felt they could make the same money playing the game in Huskie Stadium, and Wisconsin was willing to play the game, that's what would happen. If, in fact, this is being driven by NIU, that would indicate to me that the windfall from Soldier Field is greater than anything they feel is reasonable at Huskie Stadium.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans. At that rate why don't we just play 12 road games and get paid every week, it'll make more money than playing at home. Tear down HS so that you don't have that expense, meatal prices are high, should be able to get a lot of money for all that aluminum, more than we get for playing at home at least. Maybe one hoe game a year, but everyone stands up, no stands at all, it will be cheaper, like back in the old days when the field was by Gilbert Hall.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans.
The good will having a game at SF is TREMENDOUS!!!!
I went to the Iowa game at SF and it was a wonderful experience. Took the Metra in. Cars full of NIU and Iowa fans going to the game.
Great atmosphere at the game...the exposure in the Chicago market was tremendous...How you can say that one game a year at SF is bad for the fans is beyond me. It was great. and besides there are other games at Huskie Stadium to attend.
It is all about the money my friend. If you truly want to see NIU be a successful D I program. Unless of course you can come up with enough fans to provide a $1 miilion in gross contributions to replace the revenue from a game at SF.
You probably want to see NIU go to DIAA or FCS or whatever it is now called. How about going DII? Your statment is not well founded in the realities of todays game. Sorry to hear that you are such a marginal fan that you would leave the program over this.
Fact of the matter is MAC teams depend on the scraps from the BCS teams table. As long as you are not on the inside you are on the outside looking in. The MAC Teams have no leverage to bargain and will once in awhile get a goodwill offer from a BCS team to play in their stadium.
In the latest poll I saw on conferences the MAC is now rated dead last of all the Div 1 conferences. Yep, even below the Sunbelt. I realize the polls are opinion but opinion in CFB seems to hold alot of water. As long as we or the MAC are viewed as we currently are and as long as we can not generate a resonable consistently high athletic budget we should just take what we can get. Playing a SF is a gift due to the funds. If we ever rise above the MAC then we can talk, til then we take what we can get.
HuskieBro Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:UIHuskie Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:nothing I ever said had the students paying 50, I said 20 for the student tickets. you also are failing to consider teh other revenue sources available at HS. We will not get parking or ceoncessions at SF.
I know you didn't, which is why I used $0 and $20. You'd have to average over $60 per ticket for the 20,500 regular, non-student seats to reach an average ticket price of $50 for 28,000 seats whether the students pay $0 each (over $68 per ticket for everybody else) or $20 each (over $60 per ticket for everybody else).
There are other revenues, but I don't think they're enough to get you to the point where it makes up the difference.
I'll just agree to disagree. I think the odds are that the NIU athletic department has done the analysis on its own with much more reliable, concrete numbers than either you or I have attempted to use. They have (apparently) decided that it's not an economically sensible decision to pass up a game at Soldier Field.
If they felt they could make the same money playing the game in Huskie Stadium, and Wisconsin was willing to play the game, that's what would happen. If, in fact, this is being driven by NIU, that would indicate to me that the windfall from Soldier Field is greater than anything they feel is reasonable at Huskie Stadium.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans. At that rate why don't we just play 12 road games and get paid every week, it'll make more money than playing at home. Tear down HS so that you don't have that expense, meatal prices are high, should be able to get a lot of money for all that aluminum, more than we get for playing at home at least. Maybe one hoe game a year, but everyone stands up, no stands at all, it will be cheaper, like back in the old days when the field was by Gilbert Hall.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans.
The good will having a game at SF is TREMENDOUS!!!!
I went to the Iowa game at SF and it was a wonderful experience. Took the Metra in. Cars full of NIU and Iowa fans going to the game.
Great atmosphere at the game...the exposure in the Chicago market was tremendous...How you can say that one game a year at SF is bad for the fans is beyond me. It was great. and besides there are other games at Huskie Stadium to attend.
It is all about the money my friend. If you truly want to see NIU be a successful D I program. Unless of course you can come up with enough fans to provide a $1 miilion in gross contributions to replace the revenue from a game at SF.
You probably want to see NIU go to DIAA or FCS or whatever it is now called. How about going DII? Your statment is not well founded in the realities of todays game. Sorry to hear that you are such a marginal fan that you would leave the program over this.
ahh yes such a marginal fan that this is my 17th year of going to NIU games. I didn't leave after the Sadler era. I'm not leaving now, as I have specifically said. I said I will not go to the game at SF. I will not even cheer for them that game. As stated, at the home games next year I will be there i my normal seats enjoyng myself.
And for Iowa t was more like cars full of iowa fans and a car of NIU fans. how were your seats at SF, there is no way you can even try to claim they were better than HS.
COHUSKIE Wrote:Fact of the matter is MAC teams depend on the scraps from the BCS teams table. As long as you are not on the inside you are on the outside looking in. The MAC Teams have no leverage to bargain and will once in awhile get a goodwill offer from a BCS team to play in their stadium.
In the latest poll I saw on conferences the MAC is now rated dead last of all the Div 1 conferences. Yep, even below the Sunbelt. I realize the polls are opinion but opinion in CFB seems to hold alot of water. As long as we or the MAC are viewed as we currently are and as long as we can not generate a resonable consistently high athletic budget we should just take what we can get. Playing a SF is a gift due to the funds. If we ever rise above the MAC then we can talk, til then we take what we can get.
Which we were granted and are throwing away.
Just a bit of history...It is not unprecedented to play games at neutral sites going back to the early days pre WWII when Notre Dame and Army played at other venues such as Yankee Stadium etc.
HuskieBro Wrote:Just a bit of history...It is not unprecedented to play games at neutral sites going back to the early days pre WWII when Notre Dame and Army played at other venues such as Yankee Stadium etc.
yes but those teams, oh I don't know, actually play good home games too.
This thread is a prime example of why we need to expand HS NOW, if at all possible. Didn't they ever see Field of Dreams - build it and they will come. A 28,000 seat stadium for a Div-1A program is a pure joke. I know that money is an issue (THE issue) for why we have what we have, and maybe we are doomed to the crap teams that come to HS year after year for decades. Maybe if they'd set out a goal and say that we are having these games at SF in order to raise $$$ to expand SF (and do an indoor practice facility) people wouldn't react so negatively.
I for one won't be mad if they play in SF - it gets tons of publicity for NIU (a LOT more than if they played at HS), and a lot of money. I'd just like to see them play at HS because I feel that is the only way they'll have a true home field advantage.
sugnug Wrote:Rock Bottom Wrote:Too many - WAY TOO MANY - NIU alums aren't even proud enough to loudly stand up and admit they went to NIU. I'd bet big bucks that a huge number of NIU alums would go to the game in SF wearing WI gear even.
I'll take that bet. If an NIU grad buys tickets to a game at SF, why would they not cheer for NIU? I do believe that Wisconsin will have a lot more fans than NIU, but I think we learned from the Iowa game and will purchase tickets earlier. When they first announced the Iowa game, some people were worried it might not sell out. I know I waited too long.
Because a lot of those NIU fans probably are more fans of UW than of NIU even though they went to NIU. You make a great point about making sure to buy our tickets early though!
Rock Bottom Wrote:sugnug Wrote:Rock Bottom Wrote:Too many - WAY TOO MANY - NIU alums aren't even proud enough to loudly stand up and admit they went to NIU. I'd bet big bucks that a huge number of NIU alums would go to the game in SF wearing WI gear even.
I'll take that bet. If an NIU grad buys tickets to a game at SF, why would they not cheer for NIU? I do believe that Wisconsin will have a lot more fans than NIU, but I think we learned from the Iowa game and will purchase tickets earlier. When they first announced the Iowa game, some people were worried it might not sell out. I know I waited too long.
Because a lot of those NIU fans probably are more fans of UW than of NIU even though they went to NIU. You make a great point about making sure to buy our tickets early though!
You mean Maddawgz?
Welcome to another installment of Moron Theatre. Tonight's episode focuses on the maddening inability of some NIU fans to understand that Wisconsin will not play NIU at Huskie Stadium. There is NO economic motivation for them to do so, therefore they WON'T. Playing the game at Soldier Field is big win-win for both Wisconsin and NIU. Both schools realize a nice payday. Badgers get to play what will amount to a home game in front of 40,000 plus of their rabid fans in a world class city in the heart of Big 10 country. NIU gains an exceptional opponent on its schedule, lest the morons among us want to reschedule the Indiana State Sycamores for "Smackdown II" instead. And NIU makes many of it's fans very happy by playing on a world class stage that is Soldier Field.
Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:Welcome to another installment of Moron Theatre. Tonight's episode focuses on the maddening inability of some NIU fans to understand that Wisconsin will not play NIU at Huskie Stadium. There is NO economic motivation for them to do so, therefore they WON'T. Playing the game at Soldier Field is big win-win for both Wisconsin and NIU. Both schools realize a nice payday. Badgers get to play what will amount to a home game in front of 40,000 plus of their rabid fans in a world class city in the heart of Big 10 country. NIU gains an exceptional opponent on its schedule, lest the morons among us want to reschedule the Indiana State Sycamores for "Smackdown II" instead. And NIU makes many of it's fans very happy by playing on a world class stage that is Soldier Field.
From what I've read here and in the papers, UW's agreement to play NIU is for a home game at HS, not SF. If they've agreed to a contract to play at HS they HAVE TO - although most of these contracts have buy-out clauses. Do you have something that shows otherwise?
To the best of our outsider knowledge there is no contract. Rather an agreement in principle that provided that NIU would play in Madison in 2007 while the Badgers would return the favor by playing in DeKalb in 2009. These "agreements" get broken all the time, especially by the BCS teams with respect to the mid-majors. Some of these "agreements" include buyout language that says if the school backs out then they owe the other school $xxxx. None of us know the precise arrangement that was carved out between Wisconsin and NIU. In fact, I doubt there was even a formal arrangement put on paper. But if there was, then like I said it is hardly a binding obligation as evidenced many times a year within the world of college football scheduling. Future scheduling is always a moving target when it comes to out of conference games. Especially in the case of the BCS schools (Goliath) versus the mid-majors (David).
Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:Welcome to another installment of Moron Theatre. Tonight's episode focuses on the maddening inability of some NIU fans to understand that Wisconsin will not play NIU at Huskie Stadium. There is NO economic motivation for them to do so, therefore they WON'T. Playing the game at Soldier Field is big win-win for both Wisconsin and NIU. Both schools realize a nice payday. Badgers get to play what will amount to a home game in front of 40,000 plus of their rabid fans in a world class city in the heart of Big 10 country. NIU gains an exceptional opponent on its schedule, lest the morons among us want to reschedule the Indiana State Sycamores for "Smackdown II" instead. And NIU makes many of it's fans very happy by playing on a world class stage that is Soldier Field.
Well at least you warned everyone about your post this time.
calvin12 Wrote:HuskieBro Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:UIHuskie Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:nothing I ever said had the students paying 50, I said 20 for the student tickets. you also are failing to consider teh other revenue sources available at HS. We will not get parking or ceoncessions at SF.
I know you didn't, which is why I used $0 and $20. You'd have to average over $60 per ticket for the 20,500 regular, non-student seats to reach an average ticket price of $50 for 28,000 seats whether the students pay $0 each (over $68 per ticket for everybody else) or $20 each (over $60 per ticket for everybody else).
There are other revenues, but I don't think they're enough to get you to the point where it makes up the difference.
I'll just agree to disagree. I think the odds are that the NIU athletic department has done the analysis on its own with much more reliable, concrete numbers than either you or I have attempted to use. They have (apparently) decided that it's not an economically sensible decision to pass up a game at Soldier Field.
If they felt they could make the same money playing the game in Huskie Stadium, and Wisconsin was willing to play the game, that's what would happen. If, in fact, this is being driven by NIU, that would indicate to me that the windfall from Soldier Field is greater than anything they feel is reasonable at Huskie Stadium.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans. At that rate why don't we just play 12 road games and get paid every week, it'll make more money than playing at home. Tear down HS so that you don't have that expense, meatal prices are high, should be able to get a lot of money for all that aluminum, more than we get for playing at home at least. Maybe one hoe game a year, but everyone stands up, no stands at all, it will be cheaper, like back in the old days when the field was by Gilbert Hall.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans.
The good will having a game at SF is TREMENDOUS!!!!
I went to the Iowa game at SF and it was a wonderful experience. Took the Metra in. Cars full of NIU and Iowa fans going to the game.
Great atmosphere at the game...the exposure in the Chicago market was tremendous...How you can say that one game a year at SF is bad for the fans is beyond me. It was great. and besides there are other games at Huskie Stadium to attend.
It is all about the money my friend. If you truly want to see NIU be a successful D I program. Unless of course you can come up with enough fans to provide a $1 miilion in gross contributions to replace the revenue from a game at SF.
You probably want to see NIU go to DIAA or FCS or whatever it is now called. How about going DII? Your statment is not well founded in the realities of todays game. Sorry to hear that you are such a marginal fan that you would leave the program over this.
ahh yes such a marginal fan that this is my 17th year of going to NIU games. I didn't leave after the Sadler era. I'm not leaving now, as I have specifically said. I said I will not go to the game at SF. I will not even cheer for them that game. As stated, at the home games next year I will be there i my normal seats enjoyng myself.
And for Iowa t was more like cars full of iowa fans and a car of NIU fans. how were your seats at SF, there is no way you can even try to claim they were better than HS.
Let's just say that I enjoyed the game, the seats were good enough and we had a good time. Enough said....PS...NIU also made a ton of money that will help the program in the long run...samll sacrifice for a big return...Sorry but the real world is not a perfect world...
Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:To the best of our outsider knowledge there is no contract. Rather an agreement in principle that provided that NIU would play in Madison in 2007 while the Badgers would return the favor by playing in DeKalb in 2009. These "agreements" get broken all the time, especially by the BCS teams with respect to the mid-majors. Some of these "agreements" include buyout language that says if the school backs out then they owe the other school $xxxx. None of us know the precise arrangement that was carved out between Wisconsin and NIU. In fact, I doubt there was even a formal arrangement put on paper. But if there was, then like I said it is hardly a binding obligation as evidenced many times a year within the world of college football scheduling. Future scheduling is always a moving target when it comes to out of conference games. Especially in the case of the BCS schools (Goliath) versus the mid-majors (David).
All these games DO have contracts - or else everyone would be flipping games left and right and it would be an absolute nightmare for college football.
WI could get out of the game at HS for a buyout which is typically in the range of $150-$350k depending on a variety of factors.
Actually NIU and the non-BCS schools are getting more leverage because the BCS schools need to fill their schedule and they don't like putting D1AA teams on schedule.
That being said - playing at SF is great - IF we get a handle on getting tickets to NIU fans FIRST.
HuskieBro Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:HuskieBro Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:UIHuskie Wrote:calvin12 Wrote:nothing I ever said had the students paying 50, I said 20 for the student tickets. you also are failing to consider teh other revenue sources available at HS. We will not get parking or ceoncessions at SF.
I know you didn't, which is why I used $0 and $20. You'd have to average over $60 per ticket for the 20,500 regular, non-student seats to reach an average ticket price of $50 for 28,000 seats whether the students pay $0 each (over $68 per ticket for everybody else) or $20 each (over $60 per ticket for everybody else).
There are other revenues, but I don't think they're enough to get you to the point where it makes up the difference.
I'll just agree to disagree. I think the odds are that the NIU athletic department has done the analysis on its own with much more reliable, concrete numbers than either you or I have attempted to use. They have (apparently) decided that it's not an economically sensible decision to pass up a game at Soldier Field.
If they felt they could make the same money playing the game in Huskie Stadium, and Wisconsin was willing to play the game, that's what would happen. If, in fact, this is being driven by NIU, that would indicate to me that the windfall from Soldier Field is greater than anything they feel is reasonable at Huskie Stadium.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans. At that rate why don't we just play 12 road games and get paid every week, it'll make more money than playing at home. Tear down HS so that you don't have that expense, meatal prices are high, should be able to get a lot of money for all that aluminum, more than we get for playing at home at least. Maybe one hoe game a year, but everyone stands up, no stands at all, it will be cheaper, like back in the old days when the field was by Gilbert Hall.
Im sure thay have run the numbers also, but you can't directly measure the goodwill of having the game in HS. And you can measure the change in donations. I know that if this game gets moved I *will not* ever donate in the future becuase moving this game is the admin telling the me that they don't care about the fans.
The good will having a game at SF is TREMENDOUS!!!!
I went to the Iowa game at SF and it was a wonderful experience. Took the Metra in. Cars full of NIU and Iowa fans going to the game.
Great atmosphere at the game...the exposure in the Chicago market was tremendous...How you can say that one game a year at SF is bad for the fans is beyond me. It was great. and besides there are other games at Huskie Stadium to attend.
It is all about the money my friend. If you truly want to see NIU be a successful D I program. Unless of course you can come up with enough fans to provide a $1 miilion in gross contributions to replace the revenue from a game at SF.
You probably want to see NIU go to DIAA or FCS or whatever it is now called. How about going DII? Your statment is not well founded in the realities of todays game. Sorry to hear that you are such a marginal fan that you would leave the program over this.
ahh yes such a marginal fan that this is my 17th year of going to NIU games. I didn't leave after the Sadler era. I'm not leaving now, as I have specifically said. I said I will not go to the game at SF. I will not even cheer for them that game. As stated, at the home games next year I will be there i my normal seats enjoyng myself.
And for Iowa t was more like cars full of iowa fans and a car of NIU fans. how were your seats at SF, there is no way you can even try to claim they were better than HS.
Let's just say that I enjoyed the game, the seats were good enough and we had a good time. Enough said....PS...NIU also made a ton of money that will help the program in the long run...samll sacrifice for a big return...Sorry but the real world is not a perfect world...
was the game atmosphere better and were you sitting in a better position than your seats at HS?
Nigel Incubator-Jones Wrote:To the best of our outsider knowledge there is no contract. Rather an agreement in principle that provided that NIU would play in Madison in 2007 while the Badgers would return the favor by playing in DeKalb in 2009. These "agreements" get broken all the time, especially by the BCS teams with respect to the mid-majors. Some of these "agreements" include buyout language that says if the school backs out then they owe the other school $xxxx. None of us know the precise arrangement that was carved out between Wisconsin and NIU. In fact, I doubt there was even a formal arrangement put on paper. But if there was, then like I said it is hardly a binding obligation as evidenced many times a year within the world of college football scheduling. Future scheduling is always a moving target when it comes to out of conference games. Especially in the case of the BCS schools (Goliath) versus the mid-majors (David).
No, not to the "best of OUR outsider knowledge...." (Emphasis added.) That may be the best of your knowledge, but to the best of mine there are contracts for these games. That's why there are buyout clauses. Do you really think teams run this multi-million dollar business on someone's word and a handshake???
Thanks for all the great discussion and feedback on this issue. Obviously it is more complex than whether it is just an "up or down" good idea or bad idea.
We also got a lot of email responses at MAC Report Online and posted a representative sample of the emails that we received in an update to our piece:
http://macreportonline.com/index.php/200...-Deal.html