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Carpet Classic
http://www.golfstatresults.com//public/l...m1307.html


1 Tennessee-Chattanooga
E F +2 291 283 290 864

2 Tennessee, Univ. of
+5 F -1 294 288 287 869

3 South Carolina
+6 F -3 294 291 285 870

4 Clemson
+8 F +6 291 287 294 872

5 Florida, U of
+9 F -4 304 285 284 873

6 Alabama, U. of
+11 F -5 295 297 283 875

7 Georgia
+12 F +3 299 286 291 876

T8 Texas Tech
+13 F -2 298 293 286 877

T8 Mississippi, U. of
+13 F +4 290 295 292 877

10 Wake Forest Univ.
+15 F +5 296 290 293 879

11 Georgia Tech
+16 F -2 299 295 286 880

T12 East Tennessee St.
+19 F +18 287 290 306 883

T12 Auburn
+19 F -2 296 301 286 883

14 UCF
+25 F +11 289 301 299 889

T15 Mississippi St. U.
+26 F +8 299 295 296 890

T15 UAB
+26 F +14 299 289 302 890

T15 Georgia State Univ.
+26 F -3 308 297 285 890

18 North Carolina
+36 F +21 300 291 309 900

I saw that this morning. The fact both Chattanooga and UT finished first and second is also damning.

Here's something else. Georgia State finished six strokes back.

You get the feeling ETSU would rather have those six strokes than have a CAA membership and football team.

Work on your math. It was 7, assuming you're referring to the gap between ETSU and them.
More astonishing is how bad ETSU's last round was: +18, second worst in the entire field only to last place UNC. Most other teams were just a bit on either side of par. Falling to 12th from what I think was second place.
What's the story behind that?

So it was. And the point still remains. Thanks for trying to take people away from the original point in an effort to help your brethern.

Now, the story is simple. The ETSU golf team has been underachieving for a long time and this is just another indication. It is another reason why Warren needs to go so that a restructuring of athletic funding can occur and ETSU can make REAL advancements as an athletic program.

I actually *wasn't* trying to take people away from the original point. And they are not my "brethern"[sic]. Just yet another case of my insistence on accuracy whenever possible.

No, it's your insistence on being anal.

And of course it takes people away from the point. What you want to do is put a flashing light- "SEE! SEE! PITT IS STUPID! I AM SMART! PITT IS STUPID!"

Of course, you say that my posts make the above point self-evident. However, the rest of the board disagrees (with the exception of guys like Rod).

Now, do something for a change- THINK!!!

Yes, THINK!

THINK- If you're going to make a laundry list of problems with Murry Bartow's coaching, then people are going to think you want him gone.

THINK- If you backtrack and say "I do not! I believe in contracts!" understand that when in your previous post you say outright you felt Bartow should have been let go WITH TIME LEFT ON HIS CONTRACT after his second season- IT DOESN'T WASH!

THINK- If you wanted to correct my copy, a private message would have sufficed and I would have fixed it.

And I would have thanked you for it.

But, no, you had to hold a grudge. You had to try (and fail) to publicly humiliate me.

That became more important to you than the point, which was despite all the patting themselves on the back the Bucs do, few would say that Georgia State doesn't have a better athletic program than ETSU as they have moved from the A-Sun to the CAA and are starting up football.

And that they can have those things while still being competitive with ETSU's sainted golf program.

Why would you do that? Personal distaste for me? Sure.

But also, could it be a bit of loyalty to Dear Old ETSU?

Could it be that old mindset you used to have when you'd right- OH- WAIT- WRITE (sorry)- long letters on the dead board to the administration with phrases like "I've always respected you, Dr. Stanton?"

Or that I was crazy when I said that David Mullins was the guy you hire to be the AD if you want to kill football?

I'll let the board decide.

Gosh you've had your panties in a wad here lately.

Best wishes on a speedy recovery.........

Snappy comeback.

Kind of what we all expect out of someone who doesn't think.

Pitt... shut up and let's just have fun talking about how bad Fred's boys sucked it today. You just don't get to make it about you today... this is too much fun to ignore!!!

It's embarrassing as hell. I guess they have to go to Hawaii so they can compete, because it's obvious that they can't sompete in the southeast.

UT- Who is the guy who BEGAN talking about how the golf team was underachieving and overrated?

A little respect, please.

So don't get on me, pal. Get on you-know-who for trying to take this thread off subject.

However, I can see where you would make that mistake with my dominating persona on here . . .

Who cares about your dominating persona. Phil Mickelson and Sergio Garcia combined couldn't have a collapse like that. But hey, they have a cool van and a nice place to hit range balls!

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2008/...as/?sports

Fred's a hater...

University of Tennessee at Chattanooga: Mocs’ win at Farm has No. 1 potential


By: David Uchiyama
(Contact)
Germany native Stephan Jaeger understands the English language very well.

But his contribution to the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga’s Carpet Capital Collegiate golf championship is a little more difficult for him to grasp than nouns, adjectives and adverbs.

“I’m just starting to realize everything,” said the Mocs’ freshman from Baylor School, who tied for fourth individually this past weekend at Rocky Face, Ga. “I don’t have anything like that on my mind while I’m playing.

“I had a good tournament.”

He can still play the foreigner card when necessary or for laughs.

“I likey to play da golf,” he joked with a bit of his Deutsch accent.

Winning the Carpet Capital is no joke.

For 20 years now, the event at The Farm Golf Club has been regarded as one of the best tournaments of the fall semester, perhaps behind only the Ping Preview that annually is played at the course of the next national championship.

Winning it earned the Mocs the Golfweek award for team of the week.

UTC shot even-par 864 and smoked 13 teams ranked in the top 30. East Tennessee State coach Fred Warren remembers — from when ETSU and UTC were both in SoCon— when UTC couldn’t sniff an invitation to a national tournament.

His Bucs never challenged the Mocs on Sunday, even though they were in the final grouping.

“They’ve improved the last couple of years. They have good players and did a good job today,” Warren said. “Chattanooga has done a heck of a job building a program, and they’ve made a commitment to have a competitive golf team.”

UTC may likely be ranked No. 1 in the country when the next polls come out. If it is the top team, it would be a historic day in UTC athletic history.

“It’s time to call a couple of friends and talk about it a bit,” said Mark Guhne, who became the Mocs’ head coach in 2004. “And we’ve got coaches here at Chattanooga like Wes (Moore, in women’s basketball) who know about success year in and year out.”

UTC is a newcomer on the feature stage of college golf. It rose to the top 25 last year and had expectations of advancing to the NCAA championship by finishing in the top 10 at the NCAA East Regional held at its home course, Council Fire.

The Mocs finished 12th in the regional after collapsing as a team over the final five holes on the final day. The golfers let the pressure affect their play that day, and Guhne accepted responsibility for that. He was in an unfamiliar position.

“We knew we could play with anybody, even though we didn’t do it in the regionals,” Guhne said. “Getting to that point last year wasn’t a fluke, and we proved it along the way.”

UTC proved it again at The Farm over the weekend by beating the best, including No. 1 Georgia, No. 6 Florida and No. 7 Clemson.

“This win closes the door on what we let get away last year,” Guhne said. “(Failing to advance) might have been a good thing for us last year because I know we wouldn’t have won (the national title), and maybe not got in the top five.

“It caused a whole lot of people to do a whole lot of soul-searching and work over the summer to get ready for this year.”

For senior co-captain Jonathan Hodge, Sunday’s victory helped heal the wounds of the meltdown in May.

“We had to sit around and think about that all summer,” Hodge said. “Everybody was hungry to come back — not really to prove people wrong, but redeem ourselves.”

The Mocs can add more redemption in two weeks when they face an even stronger field in the Ping Preview at Inverness Club in Toledo, Ohio.

They made a statement over the weekend. The Preview is their opportunity to back it up.

“We can’t go in there and be content with where we are, no matter where we are,” Hodge said. “We’ll enjoy this win a little longer. By the end of this week, we need to get back to working hard and put this win behind us.”

It’s only Tuesday, and they can celebrate again when they move up in the poll, possibly to numero uno.

“We need to back it up and validate our win and show we can do it again,” Guhne said. “Everything we do is about building this program into a more solid and more consistent team.”

Two of the top four shooters for Chattanooga, including the top shooter (Jonathan Hodge).

Hodge is from Jefferson City. The other guy was from Soddy Daisy.

Not only Tennesseeans- but EAST TENNESSEEANS.

The Mocs have three Tennesseeans on their team and two Georgians.

They also are slated to move into a prima donna practice facilty next year. If what I'm reading is right it's a joint venture with a country club.

So- let's get this straight.

Fred Warren is not getting as much out of an already built facility as Chattanooga is getting from one that has not been built yet.

ETSU is finishing far behind native Tennesseeans- EAST TENNESSEEANS- GUYS WHO SHOULD BE GOING TO ETSU- with their roster totally comprised of foreign-born players.

And we are giving Warren a 10-year contract for this. We are making Warren one of the highest paid golf coaches in the NCAA for this!

Most damning, we are allowing Warren to defy the University mission as a regional institution for this, and we may have someone who internally will play the politics that will prevent the sort of athletic fundraising needed to help the overall department.

I noticed that Pitt forgot to mention the 3 guys from Sweden, the 1 from England as well the above mentioned German that is 5 foreign-born players. ETSU has 7 players listed as foreigners but 8 guys listed on the roster, I didn't realize Vermont was now a foreign country, must have missed that on the news.

R

Oh come on Rod.

If ETSU had five Americans on the roster and the rest were foreign born, nobody would mind.

You're now saying because a token from VERMONT is on the team they are now comprised of local players?

You're not only on the ropes, you're defending incompetence when players from our own backyard are going to other state schools and beating ETSU.

Oh come on yourself Pitt. Your post was implying that UTC was doing it with local players, Tennesseans, the right way!! When it turns out ETSU only has a couple of more foreign players then they do. As for those guys should be going to ETSU, Hodge maybe, he is closer to Johnson City but the other two guys are from Soddy Daisy which is damn near in Chattanooga. You just look for any excuse to complain about the golf team. Didn't ETSU try a local guy on the golf team, something about finding a gun in his car.

They have five local players. ETSU has none.

The local players are beating ETSU's foreign players- BADLY!

In fact, I did mention how two of the four top shooters from Chattanooga were from the area. That means that half of them weren't from the area. So you're trying to make a point that isn't there.

Soddy Daisy? Sure I get your point, but the fact is that ETSU recruiting an athlete from Soddy Daisy shouldn't be that big of a deal. My God, we're talking Jefferson City! How did Chattanooga get him away from UT?

ETSU potentially getting athletes from Soddy Daisy? Chattanooga potentially getting athletes from Kingsport? We can see this happen.

As far as me giving unjust criticism to the golf team- this entire thread, now 18 posts long, started by another poster- is about asking why the golf team isn't more competitive.

We are wondering why with facilities already in place and the freedom to get any player they want, ETSU is getting beaten, badly, by Chattanooga.

We are wondering why we must go to Wales. Why local golfers who can most certainly put up the totals of the bottom three shooters on ETSU's team aren't coming here.

You are telling us because ETSU has a token from Vermont, all is well.

Well, it ain't. That's self-evident. And to continue to defend Warren shows you are either not aware of the inner political dealings of ETSU athletics and/or you are one of these guys who are satisfied with mediocrity, who thinks that it's okay for ETSU basketball to lose in the NCAA Tournament because "they're just a mid-major" instead of try to win and maybe eventually become- GASP!- a major!

Point is: ETSU never looked at any of the native players and didn't bat an eye at the German-Baylor School kid (one of the top in the state). To argue from Fred and Dave's standpoint that you can't be competitive with Americans and/or Tennesseans is insulting. UTC looks to be proof in point, along with other top programs that have Americans. When native players look to schools to take their playing to the next level, they don't bother with ETSU because of the attitude that's been given over the years. I think Fred Warren is good for ETSU but his attitude about American's stinks when it comes down to fielding a team that is supposed to represent our mission. At least pay attention!!

UTC might just end up with a No. 1 ranking this week (at least in top 3) and I can't recall a time when ETSU even knocked on that Top 5 door. And I promise, UTC isn't spending anything near what ETSU has pumped in just in the last five years. I agree with Pitt.

When you make minor sports your calling card, you should see a "multiplier effect"... well, maybe that's a stretch given there's NO SPECTATOR BASE to create the ripple needed to impact anything outside the coaches luxury bus rides, chartered flights, accomodations in hotels far beyond what the state per deim allows... nevermind on the multiplier effect... it just helps student not have to eat subs at a rest area.

What's with BowDown only having a 2 reputation, guys?