The one thing that really bothers me about the football team is the offense. A football team has to be formed on the personality of it's coach. I just do not see how a hard nose coach like Coach Callaway can be comfortable running the spread. I wish he would go back to his roots. Like Bobby Bowden says "you have to dance with who brung ya!"
I just do not see Callaway being successful unless he returns to a two back power system.
bigpoppablazer Wrote:The one thing that really bothers me about the football team is the offense. A football team has to be formed on the personality of it's coach. I just do not see how a hard nose coach like Coach Callaway can be comfortable running the spread. I wish he would go back to his roots. Like Bobby Bowden says "you have to dance with who brung ya!"
I just do not see Callaway being successful unless he returns to a two back power system.
Kim Helton is the OC, and Houston didn't run a "two-back power system" when Callaway was OC under him 10 years ago. So I'm not sure what you mean by "returns" to that system. The game has evolved, and that kind of system would struggle to keep up with CUSA offenses (I think it was CFN that compared the new CUSA to the old WAC).
blazr Wrote:bigpoppablazer Wrote:The one thing that really bothers me about the football team is the offense. A football team has to be formed on the personality of it's coach. I just do not see how a hard nose coach like Coach Callaway can be comfortable running the spread. I wish he would go back to his roots. Like Bobby Bowden says "you have to dance with who brung ya!"
I just do not see Callaway being successful unless he returns to a two back power system.
Kim Helton is the OC, and Houston didn't run a "two-back power system" when Callaway was OC under him 10 years ago. So I'm not sure what you mean by "returns" to that system. The game has evolved, and that kind of system would struggle to keep up with CUSA offenses (I think it was CFN that compared the new CUSA to the old WAC).
As much as it pains me to say it, I think blazr is right (on the text I bolded above) to the extent that a two back system is not run without enough talent, on both sides of the ball.
Like poppa, I would love to have an old school meat 'n taters, run oriented, break-your-head offense vs the spread. And I wouldn't be surprised if Coach wouldn't prefer such a thing himself deep down.
However, you have to have a lot of talent all over the place to run such a thing. It's a lot easier with only some talent in some of the places to run this spread attack. It's like cheating to get the most out of what you have. It's like cutting pot with tea, or coffee with chicory.
If we had the resources though, I'd sure love to smoke the real weed or drink the real bean...
blazr Wrote:bigpoppablazer Wrote:The one thing that really bothers me about the football team is the offense. A football team has to be formed on the personality of it's coach. I just do not see how a hard nose coach like Coach Callaway can be comfortable running the spread. I wish he would go back to his roots. Like Bobby Bowden says "you have to dance with who brung ya!"
I just do not see Callaway being successful unless he returns to a two back power system.
Kim Helton is the OC, and Houston didn't run a "two-back power system" when Callaway was OC under him 10 years ago. So I'm not sure what you mean by "returns" to that system. The game has evolved, and that kind of system would struggle to keep up with CUSA offenses (I think it was CFN that compared the new CUSA to the old WAC).
Yes, Helton is the OC and has experience to run any system. UCF seems to do just fine in a two back system. By return I mean playing the type of football that is in his nature.
The game may have evolved, but USC, Georgia, Ohio State, Oklahoma seem to do fine in a 2 back system.
bigpoppablazer Wrote:blazr Wrote:bigpoppablazer Wrote:The one thing that really bothers me about the football team is the offense. A football team has to be formed on the personality of it's coach. I just do not see how a hard nose coach like Coach Callaway can be comfortable running the spread. I wish he would go back to his roots. Like Bobby Bowden says "you have to dance with who brung ya!"
I just do not see Callaway being successful unless he returns to a two back power system.
Kim Helton is the OC, and Houston didn't run a "two-back power system" when Callaway was OC under him 10 years ago. So I'm not sure what you mean by "returns" to that system. The game has evolved, and that kind of system would struggle to keep up with CUSA offenses (I think it was CFN that compared the new CUSA to the old WAC).
Yes, Helton is the OC and has experience to run any system. UCF seems to do just fine in a two back system. By return I mean playing the type of football that is in his nature.
The game may have evolved, but USC, Georgia, Ohio State, Oklahoma seem to do fine in a 2 back system.
All schools with galaxies more in the way of resources and talent than we have.
bigpoppablazer Wrote:The one thing that really bothers me about the football team is the offense. A football team has to be formed on the personality of it's coach. I just do not see how a hard nose coach like Coach Callaway can be comfortable running the spread. I wish he would go back to his roots. Like Bobby Bowden says "you have to dance with who brung ya!"
I just do not see Callaway being successful unless he returns to a two back power system.
You must not have been in Houston in 2003 when Houston thumped UAB to the tune of 500 (?) yds with the spread running game. Callaway and Helton were Houston OC and HC for that game. Most spreads are employing more running with zone blocking now (look what Utah did to Michigan). Our biggest problem is that the Brown stain ran deep and devasted our depth of talent. Zone blocking schemes can help with the talent mismatch, where man-to-man schemes tend to expose a team's lack of talent. Michigan recieved that lesson this past Saturday against Utah, but all is not for naught concerning UofM: Rich Rod is installing the same run/spread he used at WVa.
BlazingGoat Wrote:bigpoppablazer Wrote:blazr Wrote:bigpoppablazer Wrote:The one thing that really bothers me about the football team is the offense. A football team has to be formed on the personality of it's coach. I just do not see how a hard nose coach like Coach Callaway can be comfortable running the spread. I wish he would go back to his roots. Like Bobby Bowden says "you have to dance with who brung ya!"
I just do not see Callaway being successful unless he returns to a two back power system.
Kim Helton is the OC, and Houston didn't run a "two-back power system" when Callaway was OC under him 10 years ago. So I'm not sure what you mean by "returns" to that system. The game has evolved, and that kind of system would struggle to keep up with CUSA offenses (I think it was CFN that compared the new CUSA to the old WAC).
Yes, Helton is the OC and has experience to run any system. UCF seems to do just fine in a two back system. By return I mean playing the type of football that is in his nature.
The game may have evolved, but USC, Georgia, Ohio State, Oklahoma seem to do fine in a 2 back system.
All schools with galaxies more in the way of resources and talent than we have.
Georgia and Oklahoma run a version of the spread, just without the QB option part and when Oklahoma had a healthy Jason White, they ran the option part too.
Also, Calloway was the OC for Bama in 1999 when they ran an early form of the spread, lots of WR and shotgun sets, but were still effective running the ball. I think Calloway's offense is the spread offense, not 2 back, between the tackles running game.
I think Calloway is old school enough that if he could he'd play smashmouth and run out of the I formation and pass as much as needed to keep the defense honest while playing intense defense. That's not a realistic option for a number of reasons though. Gene Stallings could barely make it work with far better talent than we have. Too many teams have pinball offenses and you have to have the ability to downshift and put points on the board fast.
I know I've heard a lot of "just wait and see" regarding Helton's play calling from the Houston fans, and I heard a lot of bitching from people here regarding our playcalling, especially in the second half. This is beginning to concern me. I'm in wait and see mode regarding Kim Helton as OC and hoping he proves to be better than his reputation.
Personally, I trust in Joe Webb and believe he is smart enough to call his own damn plays, without all of our backs/receivers standing up, receiving the play, ruining the continuity of the offense, and snapping the ball. :domokun:
If you're going to run a no-huddle style offense, make it truly no-huddle. If we sped up the offense, I believe Tulsa's defense would have had an even harder time against us. The delay of getting the play in via sideline gave their big fatties to much time to kneel down and suck wind before each play.
There were also quite a few occasions where the coaches nearly didn't get the play in in enough time to get it off before the play clock hit 00. Maybe they should practice the new clock rules too!
FNblazer Wrote:Personally, I trust in Joe Webb and believe he is smart enough to call his own damn plays, without all of our backs/receivers standing up, receiving the play, ruining the continuity of the offense, and snapping the ball. :domokun:
If you're going to run a no-huddle style offense, make it truly no-huddle. If we sped up the offense, I believe Tulsa's defense would have had an even harder time against us. The delay of getting the play in via sideline gave their big fatties to much time to kneel down and suck wind before each play.
There were also quite a few occasions where the coaches nearly didn't get the play in in enough time to get it off before the play clock hit 00. Maybe they should practice the new clock rules too!
One thing Joe Webb cannot see is the view from the press box, which is where the offensive calls are coming from. I think everyone is overblowing the issue of lining up and then getting the call. Sometimes we did snap the ball the first time, and sometimes we backed off and got an audible. We only had to call time out once from a delay, and that timeout came from the coaches calling the signals (which could mean they realized they couldn't get the call in on time, or they saw something they really didn't like from Tulsa's defense).
Very true blazr. However, I don't think it's wise to give two SEC defenses an extra free 10-15 seconds to study your formation prior to the snap.
FNblazer Wrote:Very true blazr. However, I don't think it's wise to give two SEC defenses an extra free 10-15 seconds to study your formation prior to the snap.
It works both ways. It's good to get another 10-15 seconds to see the SEC defense line up.