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Well, I guess I can understand why Nick would need pain killers. Oxy is nasty stuff, though. I wish him the best success at getting off the stuff.

Well.... well.... well.... No excuse IMO. Another reputation tarnished through bad choices and behavior.

Stupid.

I would say it is pretty easy to get hooked on painkillers. I had a gall bladder attack, (which was actually worse than kidney stones) and was given a painkiller that I could control with a button. I was taking a hit on it every 2 hours - whether I needed it or not. I don't recall what it was, but I believe it was the stronger IV form of Darvocet (sp?) something like Dilada???. The euphoria it generated was incredible - absolutely free of pain, tension and just about every other negative emotion you could have from being in a hospital. Thankfully after the surgery was over, they only gave it to me for about 4 hours - then reverted to a pill form. I opted to go home less about 10 hours after the surgery and the pills were a non-factor for reducing the pain. In hindsight, it was a bit sobering to realize how easy it could be to get hooked on a drug - just to get rid of the pain as fast as possible..

Kaczur may struggle for a long time getting off this stuff if he was in fact addicted to it. Sounds like Oxycontin is a very powerful pain killer - similar in most respects to morphine. The dilada (?) was plenty good for me...

Quote:I had a gall bladder attack, (which was actually worse than kidney stones)

Whew...don't even say that! I've gotten kidney stones since I was about 19 years old. I had this one..probably 20 years ago..that I went into the hospital for. They gave me a shot of demerol which did nothing. The Dr. came in with this grin on his face asking how I was doing. When I told him it didn't touch it he said, "OK I'll get you another one." All the 2nd one did was relax me a little. Later, the Dr. came in asking "How ya doin' now?" When I told him it made little difference he said, "OK I can get you one more, but that's all I can give you." The 3rd shot barely took the edge off the pain. I still could hardly stand it. I can't even imagine what you went through with that gall bladder attack. I'm glad they had something that worked for you, though. I control my kidney stone problem with a simple, cheap supplement of magnesium with B6. As long as I take one every day I don't get stones. But, if I get complacent and get out of the habit I start getting them again. I hate it when I do that!

I know that I'm going to get roasted for this, but it is a thought that I keep coming back to.

I think that this Kaczur incident partially reflects on Amstutz. He was involved in the Amstutz era and I can't help but think about this incident and the character of the players that Stutz continues to deal with. I knew several players on the scout teams while I and Nick were at UT and from all accounts, the guy was a head case. One helluva player, but a head case. Throwing punches at teammates during practice, involved in off-campus fights. Granted, what I heard was somewhat hear-say, but it came from people who claimed to have witnessed it firsthand. From the accounts that I heard, he was never dealt with.

I understand that Kaczur is his own entity and that he makes his own decisions, but I doubt that this is the first time that he has made a decision like this. I believe that Kaczur is in a long line of players of questionable character that are associated with the Amstutz era.

That being said, I hope that he gets the appropriate help. Pain killers are incredibly addictive and can easily ruin someone's life.

Kaczur is a big boy now, he's no longer part of the UT program. This isn't the same as a current player having a problem. Don't drop this on Stutz.

DetroitRocket Wrote:Kaczur is a big boy now, he's no longer part of the UT program. This isn't the same as a current player having a problem. Don't drop this on Stutz.

I'm not dropping this incident on Stutz. I just meant to say that this sort of behavior seems to be a pattern with a large group of players from the Stutz era.

Hehateme Wrote:

DetroitRocket Wrote:Kaczur is a big boy now, he's no longer part of the UT program. This isn't the same as a current player having a problem. Don't drop this on Stutz.

I'm not dropping this incident on Stutz. I just meant to say that this sort of behavior seems to be a pattern with a large group of players from the Stutz era.

This is a pattern of pro football.It's an intense sport with bone jarring hits on every play.If you don't play through injury and pain you are a
primadonna.I can't tell how many great players I know that are now cripples and suffer living with unbearable pain everyday of their lives.
To try to stick Stutz with this is just absurd.on the College level you can look at other programs including other MAC schools and see that things go on at most schools.

Boca Rocket Wrote:

Hehateme Wrote:

DetroitRocket Wrote:Kaczur is a big boy now, he's no longer part of the UT program. This isn't the same as a current player having a problem. Don't drop this on Stutz.

I'm not dropping this incident on Stutz. I just meant to say that this sort of behavior seems to be a pattern with a large group of players from the Stutz era.

This is a pattern of pro football.It's an intense sport with bone jarring hits on every play.If you don't play through injury and pain you are a
primadonna.I can't tell how many great players I know that are now cripples and suffer living with unbearable pain everyday of their lives.
To try to stick Stutz with this is just absurd.on the College level you can look at other programs including other MAC schools and see that things go on at most schools.

Whether we like it or not, this incident does indirectly reflect on UT and and the football program. First off, they mention UT in the AP article. We look at guys like Bruce and Chester and say 'those are our guys' and we have to say the same for players like Kaczur. Again, I'm not saying this is directly related to Stutz in any way, but there just seems to be a pattern with a lot of players from Stutz's era. There's a lot of great kids too, but there seems to be a higher than average number of players of questionable integrity.

Sure, things do go on at other schools. But I can't think of too many schools that in the past couple of years have dealt with an alleged game fixing scandal, large groups of players going to a party and picking a fight where someone gets stabbed, and a player showing up to a person's house with multiple guns. Add on top of that, the team has failed to meet the APR standards for 3 straight years.

I'm doing my graduate work at a Big Ten university. When I get around serious college football fans and try to talk UT football, they don't want to talk about the great wins over Pitt and PSU or the long storied history of UT, they want to talk about all of this off the field crap. Maybe a lot of UT fans are willing to overlook it, but it enrages me. I hate to see my alma mater get cast in this light.

Hehateme Wrote:

Boca Rocket Wrote:

Hehateme Wrote:

DetroitRocket Wrote:Kaczur is a big boy now, he's no longer part of the UT program. This isn't the same as a current player having a problem. Don't drop this on Stutz.

I'm not dropping this incident on Stutz. I just meant to say that this sort of behavior seems to be a pattern with a large group of players from the Stutz era.

This is a pattern of pro football.It's an intense sport with bone jarring hits on every play.If you don't play through injury and pain you are a
primadonna.I can't tell how many great players I know that are now cripples and suffer living with unbearable pain everyday of their lives.
To try to stick Stutz with this is just absurd.on the College level you can look at other programs including other MAC schools and see that things go on at most schools.

Whether we like it or not, this incident does indirectly reflect on UT and and the football program. First off, they mention UT in the AP article. We look at guys like Bruce and Chester and say 'those are our guys' and we have to say the same for players like Kaczur. Again, I'm not saying this is directly related to Stutz in any way, but there just seems to be a pattern with a lot of players from Stutz's era. There's a lot of great kids too, but there seems to be a higher than average number of players of questionable integrity.

Sure, things do go on at other schools. But I can't think of too many schools that in the past couple of years have dealt with an alleged game fixing scandal, large groups of players going to a party and picking a fight where someone gets stabbed, and a player showing up to a person's house with multiple guns. Add on top of that, the team has failed to meet the APR standards for 3 straight years.

I'm doing my graduate work at a Big Ten university. When I get around serious college football fans and try to talk UT football, they don't want to talk about the great wins over Pitt and PSU or the long storied history of UT, they want to talk about all of this off the field crap. Maybe a lot of UT fans are willing to overlook it, but it enrages me. I hate to see my alma mater get cast in this light.

I don't know what ideallic world you are living in but BGSU athletes committed burglary and drug trafficking in the last month.
Miami University had a athlete get busted for some felony this week, i forget what exactly.
Big Ten schools have their own share of off field incidents.

I don't think Tom is running a renegade program. I think he is a standup coach who wants to see all his kids do the right thing
and can't monitor their every move.

Just my opinion. I rate Tom Amstutz by wins and losses.

Hehateme Wrote:Whether we like it or not, this incident does indirectly reflect on UT and and the football program. First off, they mention UT in the AP article. We look at guys like Bruce and Chester and say 'those are our guys' and we have to say the same for players like Kaczur. Again, I'm not saying this is directly related to Stutz in any way, but there just seems to be a pattern with a lot of players from Stutz's era. There's a lot of great kids too, but there seems to be a higher than average number of players of questionable integrity.

Sure, things do go on at other schools. But I can't think of too many schools that in the past couple of years have dealt with an alleged game fixing scandal, large groups of players going to a party and picking a fight where someone gets stabbed, and a player showing up to a person's house with multiple guns. Add on top of that, the team has failed to meet the APR standards for 3 straight years.

I'm doing my graduate work at a Big Ten university. When I get around serious college football fans and try to talk UT football, they don't want to talk about the great wins over Pitt and PSU or the long storied history of UT, they want to talk about all of this off the field crap. Maybe a lot of UT fans are willing to overlook it, but it enrages me. I hate to see my alma mater get cast in this light.

I agree that this reflects negatively on UT but I'm not putting this on Amstutz. Others may feel differently but while I don't have a problem with him giving up the name of the person who supplied him, what the heck is up with setting the guy up and wearing a wire? I'll bet it isn't long after he comes back from his suspension that he'll suffer a career-ending injury because I'm sure there are at least a few NFL players who don't like snitches. The feds probably put much pressure on because he's Canadian but that's why you get a good lawyer. And I can certainly appreciate the addictive nature of the drug but when you start buying it out of some body's trunk in the parking lot of an abandoned gas station, bells should be going off in your head. I hope and pray things work out for Kazur.

By the way........stories like this are exactly why I never post in any thread that makes fun of another school for something one of their current or former students has done.

This stuff happens to all schools and every school has alumni that get in trouble as well.

Over the past few years it seems a lot more of these problems have been occurring at Toledo....and I'm not very happy about it.

Amstutz better win and clean up the program or he better be gone.....as in next year gone. I'm sick of all of these embarrassing stories.

I used to be very proud of our football team because we won...and we won without any off-the-field problems. Now....we have neither. The buck stops at Amstutz.

Man...from personal experience, just being over 300lbs can hurt ...slamming into other 300lb guys must be murder. I can understand why he would use pain pills like that, but from what I've read you do not want to be dependent on THAT stuff. God bless him...I sure do hope he hasn't done any irreversible damage to his body and I hope he can overcome this problem.

Pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if Rodney Gamby has any ties to this whole thing from back when they were teammates.... As you recall, Rodney was busted for dealing Oxy...

RangerRocket Wrote:Pure speculation on my part, but I wonder if Rodney Gamby has any ties to this whole thing from back when they were teammates.... As you recall, Rodney was busted for dealing Oxy...

First thing I thought of as well.

owen Wrote:

Hehateme Wrote:

Boca Rocket Wrote:

Hehateme Wrote:

DetroitRocket Wrote:Kaczur is a big boy now, he's no longer part of the UT program. This isn't the same as a current player having a problem. Don't drop this on Stutz.

I'm not dropping this incident on Stutz. I just meant to say that this sort of behavior seems to be a pattern with a large group of players from the Stutz era.

This is a pattern of pro football.It's an intense sport with bone jarring hits on every play.If you don't play through injury and pain you are a
primadonna.I can't tell how many great players I know that are now cripples and suffer living with unbearable pain everyday of their lives.
To try to stick Stutz with this is just absurd.on the College level you can look at other programs including other MAC schools and see that things go on at most schools.

Whether we like it or not, this incident does indirectly reflect on UT and and the football program. First off, they mention UT in the AP article. We look at guys like Bruce and Chester and say 'those are our guys' and we have to say the same for players like Kaczur. Again, I'm not saying this is directly related to Stutz in any way, but there just seems to be a pattern with a lot of players from Stutz's era. There's a lot of great kids too, but there seems to be a higher than average number of players of questionable integrity.

Sure, things do go on at other schools. But I can't think of too many schools that in the past couple of years have dealt with an alleged game fixing scandal, large groups of players going to a party and picking a fight where someone gets stabbed, and a player showing up to a person's house with multiple guns. Add on top of that, the team has failed to meet the APR standards for 3 straight years.

I'm doing my graduate work at a Big Ten university. When I get around serious college football fans and try to talk UT football, they don't want to talk about the great wins over Pitt and PSU or the long storied history of UT, they want to talk about all of this off the field crap. Maybe a lot of UT fans are willing to overlook it, but it enrages me. I hate to see my alma mater get cast in this light.

I don't know what ideallic world you are living in but BGSU athletes committed burglary and drug trafficking in the last month.
Miami University had a athlete get busted for some felony this week, i forget what exactly.
Big Ten schools have their own share of off field incidents.

I don't think Tom is running a renegade program. I think he is a standup coach who wants to see all his kids do the right thing
and can't monitor their every move.

Just my opinion. I rate Tom Amstutz by wins and losses.

So should we condone these sorts of incidents because they also happen at other schools? I'm not oblivious to the fact that college football players are going to get into trouble, but it seems as though we are getting more than our share in the past 3 or 4 years. And while it does happen at other schools, I feel as though we are under a bit of a microscope ever since the whole Scooter thing and the frat party fight. Those incidents brought a lot of negative attention to this program, not just locally, but nationally. Every time a guy associated with our program takes a hit in the news like this, it only compounds the negative perception that the general public has of UT. The football team is the most visible part of our university and when people have a negative perception of the team, it is likely to spill over to the entire university.

Personally, I don't think that Stutz is a bad coach. Two of the highlights of my time at UT were the MAC titles in 01 and 04. Plus, he seems like a player that kids would really like to play for. But right now, there are some glaring problems with the conduct of a few people associated with this football team. I don't believe that he's doing it on purpose, but there is a lack of control with some people. It's true that these guys are adults and Stutz can't make choices for these guys, but he is the one that chooses whether or not they can be a part of this program.