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It seemed like we were having a pretty good debate and then he posted this and the moderators locked the thread and I did not get a chance to respond... So what the heck I'll do a response here, because I have seen him use this link quite a few times...

Quote:If you wanna compare conference financial numbers use the ones from the IRS Form 990 2006 filings. I'm not sure how the MWC can pay the light bill. Is electricity in the high mountains yet?

I wish TCU the best in their new conference, but IMO TCU and BC did some things back in 03 that probably burned bridges with schools and conferences.

Conference CONFERENCE USA
IncomeNCAA men’s basketball tournament $7,215,178
Television revenue $6,650,000
Grants-in-aid $5,034,590
Expansion participation funds $2,576,004
Bowl revenue $2,358,219
C-USA men’s basketball tournament $1,254,355
Student-athlete opportunity fund $1,066,407
BCS revenue $1,050,000
Sports sponsorships $1,012,810
C-USA football championship $982,405
NCAA enhancement fund $699,960
Expenses Payments to current members $27,031,035
Championship expenses $2,961,186
Salaries $1,622,687
Payments to former members $609,812
Support services $654,837
Marketing and promotions $494,686
Other employee benefits $287,989
Championships $266,460
Conferences, conventions, meetings $203,785
Occupancy $158,958

Revenue split Current members
Memphis $3,077,833
Houston $2,646,804
Southern Mississippi $2,566,393
East Carolina $2,487,718
Alabama-Birmingham $2,448,158
Central Florida $2,347,558
Tulsa $2,246,794
Tulane $2,156,509
Texas-El Paso $2,087,298
Southern Methodist $1,770,082
Marshall $1,638,535
Rice $1,557,353

Total $27,031,035
Average $2,252,586

Former members
Cincinnati $406,542
DePaul $101,635
UNC-Charlotte $84,696
Saint Louis $16,939
Total $609,812

Commissioner Comp Britton Banowsky
Compensation $415,413
Benefit plans $128,205
Expense accounts $15,000
Total $558,618

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Conference MOUNTAIN WEST
Income Membership dues $2,700,000
Mountain West basketball tournament $972,094
TV royalties $532,175
Production $260,000
Merchandise royalties $62,692

ExpensesPayments to members $1,205,630
Salaries $1,147,866
Mountain West basketball tournament $883,079
Championship expenses $379,944
Television/radio $321,653
Travel $156,211
Basketball tournament distributions $145,015
Occupancy $128,178
Officiating $109,184

Revenue split
Brigham Young $215,808
San Diego State $169,604
New Mexico $158,574
Utah $155,874
Wyoming $138,526
Nevada-Las Vegas $137,500
Texas Christian $106,755
Colorado State $103,381
Air Force $19,608

Total $1,205,630
Average $133,959

Commissioner Comp Craig Thompson
Compensation $314,783
Benefit plans $62,957
Total $377,740

http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/02/show_me_th...n_i_a.html

What I find funny is the lack of revenue that just happens to be missing from the MWC side of it, in comparing the 2 conferences;

C-USA
Income NCAA men’s basketball tournament $7,215,178
Television revenue $6,650,000
Grants-in-aid $5,034,590
Expansion participation funds $2,576,004
Bowl revenue $2,358,219
C-USA men’s basketball tournament $1,254,355
Student-athlete opportunity fund $1,066,407
BCS revenue $1,050,000
Sports sponsorships $1,012,810
C-USA football championship $982,405
NCAA enhancement fund $699,960

Versus

MWC
Income Membership dues $2,700,000
Mountain West basketball tournament $972,094
TV royalties $532,175
Production $260,000
Merchandise royalties $62,692

Maybe it is just me, but it seems like a few things could be missing... Like;
Television revenue (TV royalties are not the same as TV Revenue)
Income from NCAA men’s basketball tournament
Bowl revenue
BC$ revenue
NCAA enhancement fund

Were is the MWC's;
Grants-in-aid
Sports sponsorships

So according to this source (the Birmingham News, coming from a UAB Grad), the MWC didn't get:
NCAA credit monies; http://www1.ncaa.org/finance/bkb_dist.html
Bowl revenue; yet in 2006 they played in Las Vegas Bowl, Poinsettia Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and New Mexico Bowl
BC$ revenue; yet the according to this the MWC had the highest non-Auto ranking (C-USA was 3rd of the 5) http://www.idahostatesman.com/boisestate...96335.html
NCAA enhancement fund; I would have to believe that each conference would receive monies from this fund...
Sports sponsorships; Sports sponsorships and Merchandise royalties are not the same....

Just looking at the Bowls;
In 2006 C-USA Bowl game were...
Liberty Bowl
GMAC Bowl
Armed Forces Bowl
New Orleans Bowl
PapaJohns.com Bowl

Which would roughly paid out a total of $3475,000 and it looks like after expenses (unless it was from 2005's Bowls) was $2,358,219, so roughly expense averaged $223,356.20 per game.
So if the MWC expenses were $250,000 per game there would still be $2,050,000 to split among the MWC teams.

BC$ Revenue; C-USA should have earned $2,486,400, yet looks to have only split $1,050,000 or 42.2% of the total.
Using the same 42.2% the MWC would have split $1,489,491.20

For some reason it seems like there could be quite a few missing numbers for the MWC...

looks like all revenue goes directally to the schools.

templefootballfan Wrote:looks like all revenue goes directally to the schools.

The only thing is I don't believe it works that way. Every thing I have ever read, points to that the MWC splits the revenue and distributes the monies to the MWC schools.

I was involved in the conversation and I think the CUSA and most other conference's numbers look accurate, but the MWC is clearly reporting revenue in a different way (for the reasons you state), so we can't really use these numbers in any sort of comparison.

Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:I was involved in the conversation and I think the CUSA and most other conference's numbers look accurate, but the MWC is clearly reporting revenue in a different way (for the reasons you state), so we can't really use these numbers in any sort of comparison.

Frog in the Kitchen Sink thanks for stopping by... The last couple weeks have been very nice with posting 3 different conference fans "templefootballfan" (MAC), "Krocker Krapp" (Big East), and "goodknightfl" (C-USA). I had been hoping you and "mattsarz" would stop by now and then to add some more input to help this board even more...

You are right all of the conferences report and distribute their revenue in different way and can not just pick one form to make a broad sweep with...

E-zone Wrote:It seemed like we were having a pretty good debate and then he posted this and the moderators locked the thread and I did not get a chance to respond... So what the heck I'll do a response here, because I have seen him use this link quite a few times...

BTW, E-zone I have never seen this information in my life until this weekend, so you must have seen someone else "use this link quite a few times". This summer when hopefully my work slows down, I am going to write the IRS and inquire about the missing income that you guys say should be there.

Nice to see a MW board become active over here.

UABGrad Wrote:BTW, E-zone I have never seen this information in my life until this weekend, so you must have seen someone else "use this link quite a few times". This summer when hopefully my work slows down, I am going to write the IRS and inquire about the missing income that you guys say should be there.

Nice to see a MW board become active over here.

Sorry, I thought (and sometimes it gets me in trouble... tic) it was you who had and other C-USA fans. I've seen it posted at-least 3 times (want to say 4 times) since it was done on February 24, 2008...
And thanks for stopping by feel free to stop by anytime...