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Will needs new partner after ACC goes in another direction after playing in the 2008 Bowl game. I'm not sure if the MWC wants a tie-in to this Bowl, since they really not go after it during the last Bowl negotiation (2005, I think). IMO, they should at least take a good look at it this go around... It's not a bad drive from Salt Lake City, Provo, Laramie, and even Fort Collins (a little more than a hour further than Laramie.
Here is the link;
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3395953

I tought MWC went after H bowl, WAC wanted a spot in MWC in return in '05. This time MWC could offer spot in Pointsetta bowl if Pac-10 not eligable, Pac #7 is bit much.

On the flip side, Boise local support of game seems to like 6-6 BCS schools coming in. H bowl might be better off staying at-large, especially if MWC can get Insight again

I can see MWC picking up Insight, but Emerald is different story. I think B-12 looks at this bowl if they drop Independence. WAC would offer #1. Best MWC would offer is #3

templefootballfan Wrote:I tought MWC went after H bowl, WAC wanted a spot in MWC in return in '05. This time MWC could offer spot in Pointsetta bowl if Pac-10 not eligable, Pac #7 is bit much.

No the MWC did not even talk to the Humanitarian Bowl, I hoped they would since I live around 70 miles away from Boise. The MWC was focussed on the Insight Bowl, Emerald Bowl, and talked to the Liberty Bowl about a 1 or 2 year deal, but the Liberty Bowl wanted to sign the MWC to at least a 4 year deal and MWC said no thanks...

templefootballfan Wrote:I can see MWC picking up Insight, but Emerald is different story. I think B-12 looks at this bowl if they drop Independence. WAC would offer #1. Best MWC would offer is #3

For what I have heard the Big 12's biggest problem with the Independence Bowl is the weather. I don't see San Fran any better, in fact it might even be worse. A few years ago the Emerald Bowl was around 40 and it was so foggy you could hardly see the players and the ball on passes.
Plus the Independence Bowl pays $1.1 million and is much closer to travel to, while the Emerald Bowl pays $850,000 and is further to travel too.. $250,000 is $250,000...
The WAC really wants the Emerald Bowl and would probably offer the #1 to the Bowl. Honestly IMO, the Big 12 would be a very bad fit for the Emerald Bowl...

The Big 12 also would not want to play three bowls against the Pac-10. They already face each other in the Holiday Bowl and Sun Bowl. The WAC will go hard after the Emerald Bowl as their fourth postseason destination when the ACC vacates that slot.

Krocker Krapp Wrote:The Big 12 also would not want to play three bowls against the Pac-10. They already face each other in the Holiday Bowl and Sun Bowl. The WAC will go hard after the Emerald Bowl as their fourth postseason destination when the ACC vacates that slot.

Everything I have read points to the WAC wanting the Emerald Bowl too, in fact it sounds like they may offer their #1 pick to get it... I often wonder about the WAC's goals??? Why not try to get the Insight Bowl for their #1? It's true the chance of landing a tie-in with the Insight Bowl would not be very good, but you'll never know unless you try and they have not even tried.

B-12 also wants out of Independence because of stadium & more vibrent city. But I agree, how they expect to do better than 1.1 million for 6-6 ballclub with minamum travell is beyond me.
Why would WAC want Insight, WAC has 4 core schools around San Fran. B-12 might not want 3 bowls vs Pac-10. It will have more to do with how bad they want out of Shrieveport. SEC looks like they might abandon Shrieveport with GMAC.

templefootballfan Wrote:B-12 also wants out of Independence because of stadium & more vibrent city. But I agree, how they expect to do better than 1.1 million for 6-6 ballclub with minamum travell is beyond me.
Why would WAC want Insight, WAC has 4 core schools around San Fran. B-12 might not want 3 bowls vs Pac-10. It will have more to do with how bad they want out of Shrieveport. SEC looks like they might abandon Shrieveport with GMAC.

I remember the word was they wanted out of the Independence Bowl the last Bowl negotiations, but it also comes down to what other options are out there. The BC$ conferences have done a very go job of wrapping up all the million dollar plus games with tie-ins. Currently they have all but 2 spots, C-USA in the Liberty Bowl ($1.5 million) and the MWC in the Las Vegas Bowl ($1 million). I just can't see the BC$ wanting to give up a $1.1 million Bowl spot to the non-Auto conferences, simple facts are once the non-auto start upgrading a Bowl they will be looking to upgrade another one or two (foot in the door). It's not like the Big 5 want to share the higher paying Bowl games...

SEC has;
BC$ Bid
Capital One Bowl ($4.25 million)
Cotton Bowl ($3 million)
Outback Bowl ($3 million)
Chick-fil-A Bowl ($2.4 million)
Music City Bowl ($1.6 million)
Liberty Bowl ($1.5 million)
Independence Bowl ($1.1 million)

Big 10 has;
BC$ Bid
Capital One Bowl ($4.25 million)
Outback Bowl ($3 million)
Champs Sports Bowl ($2.25 million)
Alamo Bowl ($2.2 million)
Insight Bowl ($1.2 million)

Big 12 has;
BC$ Bid
Cotton Bowl ($3 million)
Holiday Bowl ($2.2 million)
Alamo Bowl ($2.2 million)
Gator Bowl ($2.25 million) or Sun Bowl ($1.9 million)
Insight Bowl ($1.2 million)
Independence Bowl ($1.1 million)

ACC has;
BC$ Bid
Chick-fil-A Bowl ($3.25 million)
Gator Bowl ($2.25 million)
Champs Sports Bowl ($2.25 million)
Music City Bowl ($1.6 million)

Pac 10 has;
BC$ Bid
Holiday Bowl ($2.2 million)
Sun Bowl ($1.9 million)
Las Vegas Bowl ($1 million)

Big East has;
BC$ Bid
Gator Bowl ($2.25 million) or Sun Bowl ($1.9 million)

C-USA has;
Liberty Bowl ($1.5 million)

MWC has;
Las Vegas Bowl ($1.2 million to $1 million, I've heard it is up to $1.2 million for the MWC)

Mienkie announced there paying over million

If Independence bowl can hang on to either SEC or B-12 at 1.1 million. Independence bowl can get another BCS conf for 750,000. C-USA would take game at 500,000. If independence loses both SEC & B-12, game will not be paying over million.
I don't know were B-12 thinks there going. SEC does look there making contingency plans. With local support game could survive Sun Belt vs MAC at 300,000 a piece.

The Big 12 is going to target the St. Petersburg Bowl in 2010 as a replacement for CUSA. Big East fans have made it clear to Mike Tranghese that they want more bowls against teams from BCS leagues. The Big 12 has repeatedly said that they want a real Florida bowl deal again.

If both the Big 12 and SEC leave the Independence Bowl, the payout will drop, and it will drop somewhat even if only the Big 12 leaves. The Big East will be in a position to ask the SEC which game is more important to them between the Independence Bowl and Papa John's Bowl.

The Big East will play the SEC for the higher payout in whichever game is the answer. CUSA can move to a reduced-payout Independence Bowl against SEC #9, or the MAC, or else the Big East can go to a higher-payout Independence Bowl while CUSA regains the Papa John's Bowl.

KK, where is St Pete gonna get 1.5 million for the B-12. Independence pays 1.1, B-12 will want more than that to cover expences & figure in inflation. B-12 is not leaving Hous they want that bowl to flourish. C-USA will take 500,000, B-10 will want a million for #7, ACC will take 750,000. It took GMAC bowl 11 years to get into position to be BCS bowl game with strong local support, St Pete will need the same amount time.
Bowl games that have long term futures get off to a good start, USF or UCF get in game 1st couple of yrs would get this game off on the right foot. 6-6 Pitt vs Rice would kill this game in 1st yr.
If St Pete gets UCF or East Car 1st couple yrs, why would bowl look at B-12.

templefootballfan Wrote:KK, where is St Pete gonna get 1.5 million for the B-12. Independence pays 1.1, B-12 will want more than that to cover expences & figure in inflation. B-12 is not leaving Hous they want that bowl to flourish. C-USA will take 500,000, B-10 will want a million for #7, ACC will take 750,000. It took GMAC bowl 11 years to get into position to be BCS bowl game with strong local support, St Pete will need the same amount time.
Bowl games that have long term futures get off to a good start, USF or UCF get in game 1st couple of yrs would get this game off on the right foot. 6-6 Pitt vs Rice would kill this game in 1st yr.
If St Pete gets UCF or East Car 1st couple yrs, why would bowl look at B-12.

I find it interesting how we tend to thing bumping payouts is so easy... It happens now and then (sponsors or upgrade in teams or some other reason), but it sure is not the norm... Also I have read quite a bit about the Texas Bowl, but they still owe TCU from their appearance from 2005 and almost went belly-up that year. It's not like the attendance was all that poor either, 37,286 (IMO, mainly TCU fans, because I didn't see to many Iowa St fans in the stands)....

Bowl organizers did go belly up in '05. New bowl group took over & promised to repay MWC, weather it's in appearences or cash, I don't know.

templefootballfan Wrote:Bowl organizers did go belly up in '05. New bowl group took over & promised to repay MWC, weather it's in appearences or cash, I don't know.

I believe it is a 3 or 5 year payment plan.... Iowa St and the Big 12 was paid were TCU and the MWC was asked (or told) they needed to pay them through a payment plan...