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Which President will you be more glad to see gone?
What a tough one!
Yes, it was a difficult decision, but I came through with a response.
This is a tough one. Lets see here. First we got George W. Bush who has ruined our country as we know it. On the other hand we have President Stanton who has ruined my Alma Mater. While President Bush has to be one of the worst and dumbest presidents this country has ever seen I don't believe he would be dumb enough to cut football at ETSU, so I went with Paulie.
Bucster Wrote:While President Bush has to be one of the worst and dumbest presidents this country has ever seen I don't believe he would be dumb enough to cut football at ETSU, so I went with Paulie.

THE BEST LINE IN THE HISTORY OF THIS BOARD...and its probably true!
You guys sound like the ETSU faculty. It wasn't a tough decision for me. If Stanton was the President of the US he would drop us down to a 3rd world country due to our deficit and hope that giving would increase.
I was having a hard time on picking one, but you guys have laid out the deciding factors. Paul.
I do not think a Texan would cut football and keep Soccer.

I vote for Stanton.

Stanton would drop the Navy and keep the Coast Guard.
In four years.....Obama.
Honestly, I can't believe the vote is as close as it is.
JWBUC Wrote:I do not think a Texan would cut football and keep Soccer.

I vote for Stanton.

Stanton would drop the Navy and keep the Coast Guard.

That's not fair to the Coast Guard. He might drop the Navy for the Girl Scouts, but never the Coast Guard.
He wouldn't drop the Navy for the Girl Scouts.

He'd drop the Navy for a Pharmacy School.
bucfan81 Wrote:In four years.....Obama.
I`m betting this will not be the case, well maybe for you personally. Of course since you're already prejudicing his hypothetical presidency it really doesn`t matter what he does.
Bucnut, I don't think so.
bucfan81 Wrote:Bucnut, I don't think so.
Care to expand beyond 4 words?
He's hit the nail on the head with this.
And as for the "worst" president of all time, he's been the worst president since the age of electronic media. Go research Fillmore, Coolidge and Taylor. Hayes, Arthur and Taft weren't exactly great ones, either. Oh, and there was that little thing called THE GREAT DEPRESSION. Thanks, Herbert Hoover. So calling W. the worst President of all time might be a little mellow-dramatic, guys, he's just a terrible public speaker.
Stick to Stanton folks, we can all agree that he's been the worst ETSU president.

Buc Wrote:You guys sound like the ETSU faculty. It wasn't a tough decision for me. If Stanton was the President of the US he would drop us down to a 3rd world country due to our deficit and hope that giving would increase.
Buccaneerlover Wrote:He's hit the nail on the head with this.
And as for the "worst" president of all time, he's been the worst president since the age of electronic media. Go research Fillmore, Coolidge and Taylor. Hayes, Arthur and Taft weren't exactly great ones, either. Oh, and there was that little thing called THE GREAT DEPRESSION. Thanks, Herbert Hoover. So calling W. the worst President of all time might be a little mellow-dramatic, guys, he's just a terrible public speaker.
Stick to Stanton folks, we can all agree that he's been the worst ETSU president.
Here's the deal with that, Hoover didn't cause the great depression, he didn't cause the stock market to crash. Hoovers fatal flaw was that he basically stood idly by and watched as the country's economy fell apart, and when he did finally realize that a plan of action was necessary he had no idea what to do or where to turn. Hoover's main problem was ignorance and stupidity(two qualities also shared by W).

Bush(and his cronies) put this country in a self made predicament. Bad decisions and polices are directly to blame for the situation we are currently in. Not to mention the fact that nearly every policy or decision that has been made by this administration has done more harm than good. I not sure there has been another president where everything he touches turns to crap, at the end of the day when we're looking back at W's presidency what is going to be the positive achievement tied to his administration? At least Hoover left us with some national parks and a dam.

Now its very hard for me to actually put Bush ahead of Hoover as worse president ever, how about we call them 1A and 1B. Those two are certainly miles ahead of the other former presidents because while those presidents were certainly not the country's best, the lasting impact of Bush and Hoover are much further reaching and longer lasting.

Whats really sad is that I'm laboring to decide if Paul Stanton is worse than either Hoover or Bush. Much like Bush just about everything he has touched has gone to the crapper.
This arguement is absurd.

Teddy Roosevelt is clearly the worst president of all time because he kept football legal and did not put everything else in the country on hold to give kickbacks to the pharmaceutical industry.
Bad information, and a bi-partisan Congress approving the war in Iraq caused the country to be in this mess. Say what you want, but the Executive Branch of the United States cannot declare war on anyone or nation without the approval of the Congress, which he had an overwhelming support to do. You hit the point, Bush didn't cause gas prices to skyrocket, 15mpg SUV's did, W. just happened to be in office at the time of the boom of gas guzzling vehicles. I don't think Bush II has been a great president by any stretch, but calling him the worst of all time when we've had presidents who caused a hell of alot more issues in this country is ridiculous.
On another note, everyone gripes about the media and TV programming, where did that come from? Oh, that was little deregulation act that happened in... 1996, which has allowed companies like Media General, Citadel Broadcasting, Clear Channel, etc... to own the majorities of the media outlets in this country. Go look at who the president was then. Who was the president when NAFTA was signed which basically has allowed all of these companies to outsource their jobs to Mexico and wherever else they want without taking a beating on import taxes? I guess you've never lost a job or had a friend lose one because it got moved to Juarez? Oh, I guess W. is to blame for the transgressions and DUMB ASS MOVES OF PAST PRESIDENTS. The same goes for Stanton, granted, and it's something he and W. have in common, neither were smart enough, or proactive enough to address and fix the problems within their "nation," instead of being able to do their job, they were too busy trying to keep their job and look good at it, and both failed, MISERABLY.
As for T.R., Pitt don't make me bring up your fear of Mike White again. You've been behaving.
I didn't want to get into this, and have been biting my tongue, but CLEARLY bush2 (small caps in keeping with my tradition of no respect) has been the worst president since Hoover. When, say in 2006, he CLEARLY surpassed Nixon (how hard was *that* to do?!) (check with John Dean's assessment - he should know), he was in perhaps uncharted territory. I think most scholars put him as the worst, or very close to it. Andrew Johnson from down the road was pretty bad, and some others, too, but they were mostly "distinguished" by not doing anything rather than creating horrible problems. The argument is valid that bush is the worst because he had the tools to do more harm, and the stakes were higher. Andrew Johnson, or Fillmore, or whoever, couldn't have harmed the entire world the way bush has, not to mention this country in the eyes of the world. Plus, the total tallies from his policies and decisions won't be fully know for decades, likely.

Thankfully(?), this is not a proper forum for this discussion, and I won't be spending much, if any, time debating or rebutting counter arguments. And let me point out (again), it's not just me saying it - most historians have already declared w to be the worst. Do a search - it's pretty staggering how uniform the opinions are among experts.

As to the poll question, there is no way the anwer is not bush. stanton's effects were minimal, on the global scale. stanton hasn't caused tens or hundreds of thousands to die. stanton's *local* effects may have been greater (try telling that to the families of servicemen from around here who've had loved ones killed or seriously wounded), but as the question is worded, if one is a true sentient human, the only answer is bush.
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