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Can the NCAA officially not let this guy coach for his role in the Sampson issue? I'm not joking around KSU fans, this is an actual question. The NCAA banned Todd Bozeman for eight years in the Jalani Gardner scandal in the mid '90's and OSU's Jim O'Brien most recently.

It was Sampson who violated his NCAA sanctions. He then first tried to throw Senderhoff under the bus before finally having to pay the piper. By having his assistant "hold the phone," Sampson thought he was getting around his ban, if in fact that is what happened. Probably made the calls himself then tried to blame his AC's. Rob is guilty of bad judgement in getting associated with Sampson and has had to pay the price by losing his job. He is not under any NCAA sanctions or limitations. He was let go by IU as prelude to firing sleazebag.

He's an excellent coach who was on a fast track to a HC job. He did a great job for us in his previous tenure when he was assistant alongside Geno, and we're happy to have an excellent basketball mind and first rate recruiter back.

I agree w/ axeme. Sampson was the culprit in the recruiting fiasco.

EMUTRACK1574 Wrote:Can the NCAA officially not let this guy coach for his role in the Sampson issue? I'm not joking around KSU fans, this is an actual question. The NCAA banned Todd Bozeman for eight years in the Jalani Gardner scandal in the mid '90's and OSU's Jim O'Brien most recently.

Technically, the NCAA does not "ban" coaches but rather imposes a "show cause" condition that any school that wishes to hire them must meet. The practical effect is that the coach is toxic. That's usually done in an NCAA sanctions report. If Senderoff were to be made subject to a "show cause" (which I think is unlikely for the reasons outlined above), the sanction would be prospective from the date of the final NCAA report on the IU matter. It wouldn't affect his current job.

FWIW, I believe Bozeman was subject to a ten-year show cause, and IIRC Dave Bliss (ex-Baylor) is on a lifetime show cause. It will be interesting to see what the NCAA does to Sampson -- and whether they can get the report done before some half-assed school gives him a third chance.

Thanks for the answer. I wasn't sure if he was a "show cause" or not. Bozeman is now coaching at either Morgan State or Howard.

EMUTRACK1574 Wrote:Can the NCAA officially not let this guy coach for his role in the Sampson issue? I'm not joking around KSU fans, this is an actual question. The NCAA banned Todd Bozeman for eight years in the Jalani Gardner scandal in the mid '90's and OSU's Jim O'Brien most recently.

Those guys paid players, do you honestjy think Senderoff's role in Sampson's misdoings are equal when Sampson himself can coach?

The following from an Indiana University basketball blog: Inside the Hall.
Descibes exactly why I welcome Rob home.

Quote:You remember Rob Senderoff, right? The former IU assistant thrown under the bus in an attempt to save face for Kelvin Sampson. It appears he’s about to be hired as the top assistant to Geno Ford’s staff at Kent State:

According to several sources, Senderoff is expected to sign a new contract within the next week to become Ford’s No. 1 assistant. It’s an excellent move.

Senderoff was considered one of college basketball’s best recruiters before being forced to resign at Indiana as the intended fall guy in the Hoosiers “telephone scandal.” He returns to Kent fully loaded with recruiting ties to talent-rich areas like New York, Indiana and Pennsylvania. He also returns to a place where he has close friends and colleagues who have no questions about his character.

I say good for Senderoff. He’s a solid young coach that got caught up in the wrong situation at IU and it’s nice to see him get another chance (if this report is indeed accurate). I ran into him last summer at an AAU event and he was nothing short of classy.

this may end up being the lasting legacy of the Chistian move to TCU. Chirstian leaves - Geno comes in - and Senderhoff catches a break and gets to return to Kent where he's known and regarded well. Senderhoff was a key part of kent's recent success and should continue to leave a positive mark on their program.

Fall guy or not, Senderoff was directly involved with NCAA violations. Spin it all you want, Kent fans, but the facts are the facts.

I personally wouldn't want anyone associated with the recent sleeze in IU's program to be associated with my school in any way, shape, or form. Fortunately for Senderoff, Kent is willing to look the other way.

BobcatFan Wrote:Fall guy or not, Senderoff was directly involved with NCAA violations. Spin it all you want, Kent fans, but the facts are the facts.

Facts are facts; however, your first statement is an opinion, not a fact. Sampson committed the violations, not Senderhoff. What violation of NCAA rules are you claming he committed? The assistants were allowed to make calls. Do you have some special knowledge of some facts that have not been reported? You are the one with the holier-than-thou spinning here.

He was hired by Sampson and IU. He resigned not because he was guilty of NCAA violations, but because Sampson hoped his resignation would take the heat off of him. Senderoff is guilty of associating with Sampson who was the real guilty party here and would throw his AC's under the bus in a heartbeat if he thought it would help him.

It could have happened to any assistant, unless you believe Sampson didn't know what he was doing and the AC's set him up to violate his NCAA sanctions that were in place when he was hired.

And like it or not, anything that happens in our program, good or bad, at this point does reflect on your university, since one of yours is our HC.

Here's a little piece by Gary Parrish on ESPN today about the situation:

Quote:It's nice to see Rob Senderoff get another job after last year's forced resignation at Indiana.

Which is not to suggest he was previously wronged in any way.

He cheated and got caught and paid a price.

There's no denying that.

But it was always pretty clear Senderoff was sacrificed by Indiana in attempt to keep Kelvin Sampson and the rest of the Hoosiers staff in place, always pretty clear Senderoff was the fall guy set up to take responsibility for everybody's sins. Obviously, it didn't work out that way; Sampson's rules violations and alleged lies about those violations led to his demise, too. But Senderoff was never any worse than the man Indiana allowed to continue coaching long after Senderoff was moved out, and knowing what I know about college basketball I feel reasonably safe telling you I believe Senderoff was probably just following orders from his boss to some degree when he facilitated those inappropriate three-way calls that led to Indiana's most-embarrassing moment, because that's what assistants do; they follow orders.

So good for Rob Senderoff for bouncing back.

And good for Kent State for giving him the opportunity.

ESPN blogs

Isn't it uncontroverted that Senderoff made calls to recruits and then handed the phone off to Sampson? Does anyone allege that Senderoff didn't know about the NCAA restrictions imposed on Sampson?

You can argue that Senderoff was the fall guy, and that Sampson was the real culprit, and you'd be right. But that doesn't mean that Senderoff didn't do anything wrong. He did. If Kent wants to overlook that fact, then that's their call. Personally, I'm glad that Ohio is not employing any coaches previously implicated in NCAA violations.

No one said, Senderhoff included, that he didn't do anything wrong. But he didn't violate any NCAA rules. You seem to want to link the two. It is just not the case. Facts are facts, as someone once said.

But since you've assured us that neither you nor anyone involved with OU athletics has ever done anything wrong, I guess you can resume your lofty perch in the universe and continue to look down your noses at the mortals who have made mistakes. Never any scandals or wrongdoing at OU. No need for second chances there.

BobcatFan Wrote:Isn't it uncontroverted that Senderoff made calls to recruits and then handed the phone off to Sampson? Does anyone allege that Senderoff didn't know about the NCAA restrictions imposed on Sampson?

You can argue that Senderoff was the fall guy, and that Sampson was the real culprit, and you'd be right. But that doesn't mean that Senderoff didn't do anything wrong. He did. If Kent wants to overlook that fact, then that's their call. Personally, I'm glad that Ohio is not employing any coaches previously implicated in NCAA violations.

If this is the road you want to travel, Frank Solich was on the staff for at least one Nebraska football probation and was there for the Christian Peter/Lawrence Phillips et al. era.

According to the Columbus Dispatch, Ohio football players were subject to *seventeen* arrests between January 2006 and November 2006, and that doesn't count Solich's own plea for drunk driving.

But, by all means, stay on your high horse -- at least until one of your players punches it in the nose.

DG,

I'm not aware of Solich ever having been directly tied to assisting with an NCAA violation. If you have such a link, please provide it.

The rest of your post is simply a red herring. We're talking NCAA violations here.

And Senderoff has has not been accused of any NCAA violations here. If you have such a link, please provide it.
He made a mistake, no doubt. That's what we're talking here. He did witness his boss committing violations, and has testified to same. It's a far cry from committing them, which you keep insinuating for your purposes here that he did. Why is that?

http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/7387798

Quote:Senderoff and the current staff made more than 100 illegal calls over the past year, including 10 three-way calls in which Sampson denied having the knowledge that Senderoff was on the line.

Senderoff, who joined the staff in 2006 after four seasons at Kent State, was penalized by not being able to go out on the road recruiting for a year and not being able to make recruiting calls.

BobcatFan Wrote:Fall guy or not, Senderoff was directly involved with NCAA violations. Spin it all you want, Kent fans, but the facts are the facts.

I personally wouldn't want anyone associated with the recent sleeze in IU's program to be associated with my school in any way, shape, or form. Fortunately for Senderoff, Kent is willing to look the other way.

And fortunately for you and your high moral values, he isn't associated with your school so why do you care? If he is such a rogue assistant operating on his own in sleezy ways he'll mess up and get KSU in trouble. Again, why do you care?

BobcatFan Wrote:http://msn.foxsports.com/cbk/story/7387798

Quote:Senderoff and the current staff made more than 100 illegal calls over the past year, including 10 three-way calls in which Sampson denied having the knowledge that Senderoff was on the line.

Senderoff, who joined the staff in 2006 after four seasons at Kent State, was penalized by not being able to go out on the road recruiting for a year and not being able to make recruiting calls.

Sigh. Those aren't NCAA sanctions, as much as you would like to spin them to be so. Those were IU self-sanctions trying to salvage something from this situation before it became inevitable they were forced from within to part ways with the real culprit here. Senderoff owned up to his part and then resigned. The NCAA did not sanction him and the article quoted above doesn't say they did.