Obama’s ‘baby’ comment draws fire from conservatives
Quote:Speaking about sex education at an event in Pennsylvania Saturday, Obama said, according to the Christian Broadcasting Network, that he will educate his young daughters but “if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.
this is the same man that voted in favor of Live Birth Abortion in Illinois. so nothing shocks me on this issue from him.
GGniner Wrote:this is the same man that voted in favor of Live Birth Abortion in Illinois. so nothing shocks me on this issue from him.
If Obama gets elected… he will have US gynecologists visit the People’s Republic of China to “learn how they do it…”
So when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters, 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals.
But if they make a mistake, I don't want them punished with a baby. I don't want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn't make sense to not give them information. You still want to teach them the morals and the values to make good decisions. That will be important, number one.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0...bb.01.html
If you actually read what he is saying it's clear that he's not talking about abortion. He is talking about comprehensive sex education, instead of just abstinence only. He saying if his daughters do become sexually active he wants them to have the required knowledge to greatly reduce their chance of getting pregnant or a STD. He is saying that he doesn't want them saddled with a baby, or to have to make the decision to have an abortion. He is trying to prevent abortions - not increase them.
This is why our level of political discourse has fallen so low. Take a partial quote out of context, construct a strawman out of it, then throw it out there & hope it sticks. And no, I'm not just claiming that the Republicans do this - the claims about McCain wanting to stay in Iraq for 100 years are no different.
I think the main point here is Obama viewing a Baby, i.e. a Human Life, as "Punishment".
This is afterall the guy that voted in favor of Live Birth Abortion, i.e. in a failed attempted abortion with baby being born alive, outside of the womans body he wanted to make it illegal for the Dr. to give the Live Human Being care and save it. Instead he wanted to force them to put baby to the side and let it suffocate and die.
this guy has never been really vetted in an election, he's going to get pounded in the General. And the dems have no one to blame but themselves and their media for not doing it first when they had the chance.
GGniner Wrote:I think the main point here is Obama viewing a Baby, i.e. a Human Life, as "Punishment".
This is afterall the guy that voted in favor of Live Birth Abortion, i.e. in a failed attempted abortion with baby being born alive, outside of the womans body he wanted to make it illegal for the Dr. to give the Live Human Being care and save it. Instead he wanted to force them to put baby to the side and let it suffocate and die.
this guy has never been really vetted in an election, he's going to get pounded in the General. And the dems have no one to blame but themselves and their media for not doing it first when they had the chance.
For gods sake he used the wrong word. He is going to get pounded for using an incorrect word? The only people who are making a big deal out of this are on the Christian far right(ie. abstinence only advocates) which, by the way weren't going to support him anyway.
i love how he calls it a 'mistake.' That's not a mistake. a mistake is when you forget a textbook for your class. that's like when a college athlete gets arrested a few times and people say he's a good kid, except for a few mistakes.
Well...I havent done due dillegence on BHOs past record, so I am ignorant to his real positions...But...Based on his comment alone(without the total context)...I agree with him...and I would think he is NOT talking about late term abortion in his comment....I have no problem with early term termination of pregancy..JMO...and would advocate this to my own 18 yr old daughter...but...I would respect HER wishes.
RobertN Wrote:For gods sake he used the wrong word. He is going to get pounded for using an incorrect word? The only people who are making a big deal out of this are on the Christian far right(ie. abstinence only advocates) which, by the way weren't going to support him anyway.
Pounded for using the wrong words....
Pounded for having the wrong "Preacher".....
Pounded for advocating a surrender policy in Iraq....
Pounded for his tax policy...
Pounded for his lack of concrete leadership...
Obama will be easier to beat than Dukakis... because he will self destruct..
By the middle of October, Obama will be lucky if he can pull an audience of 5 in a McDonald's playground (with Mayor McCheese giving away free food)...
From the March 31 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:
HANNITY: ... We know he's the number one liberal -- National Journal -- in the United States Senate, and more importantly, he made a statement over the weekend talking about the issue of abortion. If people make a mistake, quote, "I don't want them punished with a baby," unquote.
From the 1 p.m. ET hour of the March 31 edition of MSNBC Live:
MITCHELL: Congressman, let me ask you -- let me ask you about something that Barack Obama said in Pennsylvania on Saturday, I believe, to a town hall meeting. He was questioned by a woman who is against abortion, and he referred to the fact that he has two daughters and he would not want them to be punished if they made a mistake -- "punished with a baby." How will that go over with the pro-life, or, if you prefer, the anti-abortion constituency in Pennsylvania?
It's certainly being portrayed as if he was talking about abortion (see WMDs post above as well).
Are pregnant teenagers a good thing? Are STDs? Are not the threat of pregnancy & STDs in both abstinence only & comprehensive sexual education used to modify behavior? Negative outcomes associated with behavioral choices. Sure sounds like punishment to me.
jh Wrote:Are pregnant teenagers a good thing? Are STDs? Are not the threat of pregnancy & STDs in both abstinence only & comprehensive sexual education used to modify behavior? Negative outcomes associated with behavioral choices. Sure sounds like punishment to me.
How many hundreds of millions of dollars are spent each year on sex ed and abstinence in the United States?
Of course, its the public educational system, so there is a reason these kids are still pumping out babies in the 9th grade.
If you have to have "abortion on demand" as a primary means of birth control something isn't working.
Its not a problem that you throw money at to solve.. you have to change morals and ethics,... but the NEA refuses to teach anything realted to personal responsibility.
WMD Owl Wrote:How many hundreds of millions of dollars are spent each year on sex ed and abstinence in the United States?
Of course, its the public educational system, so there is a reason these kids are still pumping out babies in the 9th grade.
If you have to have "abortion on demand" as a primary means of birth control something isn't working.
Its not a problem that you throw money at to solve.. you have to change morals and ethics,... but the NEA refuses to teach anything realted to personal responsibility.
Wow, you sound exactly like Barack Obama, except he believes that moral education should start in the home instead of at the school. One more time, he was not talking about abortion on demand. That was not how he wanted his daughters to avoid being punished with a baby if they made the mistake of engaging in pre-marital sex. He wanted them to practice safer sex so they could greatly reduce their chances of getting pregnant or contracting a STD. He is talking about trying to reduce unwanted pregnancies, not increasing abortions.
jh Wrote:Wow, you sound exactly like Barack Obama, except he believes that moral education should start in the home instead of at the school. One more time, he was not talking about abortion on demand. That was not how he wanted his daughters to avoid being punished with a baby if they made the mistake of engaging in pre-marital sex. He wanted them to practice safer sex so they could greatly reduce their chances of getting pregnant or contracting a STD. He is talking about trying to reduce unwanted pregnancies, not increasing abortions.
Yet he's against abstinence programs but for planned parenthood.
I know, facts, they're troublesome at times.
Weren't you a conservative a while back? Have you been Obamasized?
jh Wrote:One more time, he was not talking about abortion on demand. That was not how he wanted his daughters to avoid being punished with a baby if they made the mistake of engaging in pre-marital sex..
You hit the nail on the head...'to avoid being
PUNISHED with a baby"....
Thats the $64,000.00 difference between Obama and I...
I see a child as God's blessing upon me and my wife. I wish we could have more. And I'm an Episcopalian and not anywhere near a religious fundamentalist.
Obama sees a pregnancy as "punishment".... but don't worry, Uncle Sam/Obama will be there to help you over your "screw up".... That attitude makes me sick.
That is Obama's disconnect from the mainstream..
I'm not one that is against abortion very, very early, but punishment? He keeps stepping in it. There are MANY families that want to adopt a child and I am VERY much against late-term abortion.
RebelKev Wrote:Yet he's against abstinence programs but for planned parenthood.
I know, facts, they're troublesome at times.
Weren't you a conservative a while back? Have you been Obamasized?
So when it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include -- which should include abstinence education and teaching the children -- teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include -- it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I've got two daughters, 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals.
This is Obama talking. Please note that he references the importance of abstinence education. I'm sure that he is probably against abstinence only education. Please also note that, once again, he is not talking about abortion here, he is talking about contraception.
For many teenagers pregnancy is an unwelcome result of a short sighted act. I would venture to guess that most, even those who do not get abortions, would rather not have gotten pregnant in the first place. In a real sense it is a punishment for them, but that has nothing to do with its status for those who want children. I believe that later in that same talk he referenced his daughters as "his miracles."
Personally, I'm just a step over from Fo Shizzle on the political spectrum. The only reason I would even consider voting for Obama is that a friend of mine is a stand up comic & does a dead on Obama impression (he can't do Hillary & I haven't heard his McCain). But misrepresenting a canidates positions in order to make political points is just unseemly. And again, I realize that that's just modern politics & that both sides do it, but Obama bashing threads have taken over for the Paul-fest on here so there's much more to comment on.
flyingswoosh Wrote:i love how he calls it a 'mistake.' That's not a mistake. a mistake is when you forget a textbook for your class. that's like when a college athlete gets arrested a few times and people say he's a good kid, except for a few mistakes.
Just like you guys said McBush made a mistake(3 times) on the difference between Shiites and Sunni regarding Iran. Actually, I really think he needs to see a doctor. We don't need another President that has alzheimers(or some other problem) while in office.
WMD Owl Wrote:RobertN Wrote:For gods sake he used the wrong word. He is going to get pounded for using an incorrect word? The only people who are making a big deal out of this are on the Christian far right(ie. abstinence only advocates) which, by the way weren't going to support him anyway.
Pounded for using the wrong words....
Pounded for having the wrong "Preacher".....
Pounded for advocating a surrender policy in Iraq....
Pounded for his tax policy...
Pounded for his lack of concrete leadership...
Obama will be easier to beat than Dukakis... because he will self destruct..
By the middle of October, Obama will be lucky if he can pull an audience of 5 in a McDonald's playground (with Mayor McCheese giving away free food)...
1. You mean like Mr. McBush not knowing economics? Or McBush confusing the enemy(ies) we are fighting in the Middle East. Quite frankly, those are a bit more important.
2. You mean like Lavendar etc of the radical right wing Christians?
3. Instead of staying there for 100 years? Will that even accomplish anything?
4. Do you even know what his tax policy is besides moving taxes back up to pre-Bush levels.
5. Lack of leadership? Do a little research. Also note how well his campaign is running(he didn't run out of money because of poor planning like McBush and Billary). Sure he has help but it is his campaign.
So if that is what happens to Obama, I would hate to see what happens to McBush. Poor guy will probably be moved into a senior living home because of decreased mental capacities with only his family and a few friends there.
jh Wrote:But misrepresenting a canidates positions in order to make political points is just unseemly. And again, I realize that that's just modern politics & that both sides do it, but Obama bashing threads have taken over for the Paul-fest on here so there's much more to comment on.
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I think the "mis-statement" shows where his heart is. A baby is a mistake, not a human until its born. Spin it any way you want, this is one of those arguments where there is very little middle ground. That said, I can't say that he'll lose many votes over this since he wasn't going to get many pro-life voters anyway.