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Over on the main MACbbs board it was posted that division champs in football will be determined by your overall MAC record. So essentially all MAC games will be meaningful this season. As opposed to last season where only games with opponents from your own division mattered and playing an opponent from another division had no value. So if NIU loses two MAC West games it doesn't mean our season is completely over, especially if we've won all our games against East opponents.

THANK THE LORD!

If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

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ya i agree shut up 7

CowboysNiuFan31245 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

+1
ya i agree shut up 7

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He should shut up because he's right (as usual)?

CowboysNiuFan31245 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

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ya i agree shut up 7

That's a quality post right there.

The MAC played 5 OOC games last year. There really wasn't any other options. It was the most fair thing for Chryst to do.

Unless you play the same teams, I'm wondering just how fair it is to count all the MAC games for the Division. Not just for the MAC but for all conferences that have divisions and cross over games. I realize that the best teams should win all the games but let's just make an argument that of the six teams on the other division, three are excellent and three just plain suck. A lessor team could play the three suck teams and win while a better team might play the three better teams and win one of the three. I guess if your good enough to beat all the other teams in your division you should be able to handle the cross over games, but it only takes a couple bad games and your out. Plus it isn't like the BC$ schools were you can rig your schedule to get your six wins and go to a bowl. If you don't win a division in the MAC your done.

The NFL has the same issues with divisions playing each other from Conference to conference and it may make the difference in a team having home field for a playoff game.

niuco90 Wrote:Unless you play the same teams, I'm wondering just how fair it is to count all the MAC games for the Division. Not just for the MAC but for all conferences that have divisions and cross over games. I realize that the best teams should win all the games but let's just make an argument that of the six teams on the other division, three are excellent and three just plain suck. A lessor team could play the three suck teams and win while a better team might play the three better teams and win one of the three. I guess if your good enough to beat all the other teams in your division you should be able to handle the cross over games, but it only takes a couple bad games and your out. Plus it isn't like the BC$ schools were you can rig your schedule to get your six wins and go to a bowl. If you don't win a division in the MAC your done.

The NFL has the same issues with divisions playing each other from Conference to conference and it may make the difference in a team having home field for a playoff game.

NFL = apples
NCAA = oranges

NIU has a knack for getting screwed by MAC policy and rule changes. The new rule means that a team could beat all their opponents in their division, and not go to the Championship. I suppose you could justify it by saying that if you have a losing record vs the other division, why should you get to play their champion?

The MAC is starting to resemble the Democratic primary. They just make up new rules as they go along. This is football, not Survivor!

I know the MAC tries to schedule the cross division games in such a way that everyone in a division plays a schedule of similar strength, according to the previous year's standings, but with the parity in the MAC, that can change.

For example:

NIU plays Miami, Bowling Green, and Kent State

According to last year's MAC schedule:
Miami = Hard
BGSU = Hard
Kent = Easy

Western plays Temple, Buffalo, and Ohio

According to last year Temple and Ohio are average, and Buffalo a little better than average.

In the topsy-turvy world of MAC football, Kent just might turn their team around, and beat Temple, Ohio, and Buffalo. That could give NIU the three toughest opponents in the East, and three easy East opponents for WMU.

The Huskies could go undefeated in the West, but lose to two tough East opponents. WMU could have their ass handed to them by NIU, but win all their other MAC games. That would put WMU in the MCC, not NIU.

As for the NFL, I think their system is as fair as it can be, given 32 teams, 12 playoff teams, and only 16 games in a season. The home team usually wins in the playoffs, because they earned home field by having a better season, so they are usually the better team. The away team is given the benefit of the doubt. As the Giants and Steelers have recently shown, a truly great team can overcome the disadvantage of playing on the road.

niuco90 Wrote:Unless you play the same teams, I'm wondering just how fair it is to count all the MAC games for the Division. Not just for the MAC but for all conferences that have divisions and cross over games.

There's no way around that. Not every team in the BT plays each other. Same goes for ACC, SEC, CUSA, PAC-10, and Big 12.

Each MAC team is playing eight conference games and four OOC games this season. This rule makes much better sense. Last year there was no point in playing crossover games because they didn't matter unless to break a tie.

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

I don't think you have the right to call someone else annoying.

CHoran24 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

I don't think you have the right to call someone else annoying.

And why is that? Is it because i continually prove you wrong when you try to tell me the BT is better than the SEC? He annoys me with his inability to try to refute things i say and i know he does it purposely.

My head is already starting to hurt from this 'what if' dialogue long before the first game....April 26

I'm just thrilled all games count equally for every team, period.

CHoran24 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

I don't think you have the right to call someone else annoying.

Zing?

epasnoopy Wrote:

CHoran24 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

I don't think you have the right to call someone else annoying.

And why is that? Is it because i continually prove you wrong when you try to tell me the BT is better than the SEC? He annoys me with his inability to try to refute things i say and i know he does it purposely.

I don't do it purposely. It just so happens you have the most posts on the board and I take issue with your posts the most.

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

CHoran24 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

I don't think you have the right to call someone else annoying.

And why is that? Is it because i continually prove you wrong when you try to tell me the BT is better than the SEC? He annoys me with his inability to try to refute things i say and i know he does it purposely.

I don't do it purposely. It just so happens you have the most posts on the board and I take issue with your posts the most.

I smell a cage match coming:
The tag team of Reason and members who use it vs. Snoopy w/ MD02 and RobertN in his corner.

epasnoopy Wrote:

CHoran24 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:

7 Wrote:

epasnoopy Wrote:If this rule were in place last season Bowling Green would have been MAC East champions and not Miami.

Ok? It wasn't and they weren't.

You're so annoying. I was saying that just to show how the rule could change the outcome of results.

I don't think you have the right to call someone else annoying.

And why is that? Is it because i continually prove you wrong when you try to tell me the BT is better than the SEC? He annoys me with his inability to try to refute things i say and i know he does it purposely.

Nope not at all, its cause you calling someone annoying is like the pot calling the kettle black.

BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:The tag team of Reason and members who use it vs. Snoopy w/ MD02 and RobertN in his corner.

Now that's a joke. Team of reason, lol. More like all of you are friends outside of the board and sticking up for each other.

epasnoopy Wrote:

BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:The tag team of Reason and members who use it vs. Snoopy w/ MD02 and RobertN in his corner.

Now that's a joke. Team of reason, lol. More like all of you are friends outside of the board and sticking up for each other.

Um actually if I was to meet MD02 outside of the board, I would consider him a friend. We have talked on AIM once or twice. I just think hes crazy when it comes to NIU athletics. It has nothing to do with who I'm friends with. I disagree with HMM sometimes. I disagree with CHoran almost every day.