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MOB vs conference championships, Elite Eights, and bowl appearances. Which do you choose? Oh, I forgot, a magazine rated you in the top twenty for academics. That will get you a helmet sticker!!
RED DIRT Wrote:MOB vs conference championships, Elite Eights, and bowl appearances. Which do you choose? Oh, I forgot, a magazine rated you in the top twenty for academics. That will get you a helmet sticker!!

I'd choose the academic performance over athletic performance. I don't think you'll find a single person on this board who wouldn't.
Tulsa's athletic glory in the Missouri Valley conference: $.05
Market value of a Tulsa education: $.10
Expenditure for a 'defensive genius' that gives up 700 yards to Rice: $1.1 million per annum
Living anywhere but Tulsa: Priceless
Douchebag U fans over on their rivals board are taking the halftime show pretty hard. One frustrated loser is even citing NCAA bylaws and writing to Rice and complaining. Yeah, have fun with that, tough guy - I wouldn't expect a response.
wheredidmypantsgo Wrote:Yeah, have fun with that, tough guy - I wouldn't expect a response.

Laughter, maybe?
RED DIRT Wrote:MOB vs conference championships, Elite Eights, and bowl appearances. Which do you choose? Oh, I forgot, a magazine rated you in the top twenty for academics. That will get you a helmet sticker!!

You left off National Championships on the MOB side of that vs. (or at least those that don't have to be vacated later due to major rule infractions).
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sarcoog2010 Wrote:Having read a description of the show (and being an english major) the divine comedy stuff sounds very funny. I can really appreciate that kind of humor (tulsa fan seems incapable of this). Doesn't hurt that it was a lil cold and miserable today too...

Kudos to anyone who was watching football in this weather today.

Coming back from Boston, where it was 20 degrees when I left, this weather was positively balmy once the rain stopped.
The MOB show was as hilarious as it had been cracked up to be all season by my friends and acquaintances in the MOB (even though none of us in the student section could figure out why YMCA was played when it was). The inclusion of "Sell Out" into the MOB's repertoire, which I first noticed at a basketball game, made me (and the others who know the song who were standing around me) incredibly happy (made better by the fact that I imagine few in the Tulsa section knew the song, or they would probably be throwing a hissy fit about it now). This show bought the MOB a lot of goodwill among those students who usually grumble about the MOB (for those who weren't there, the MOB got cheers and applause and whatnot from the student section when they came over to play "Louie Louie" after the halftime show, more support than I've ever seen for the MOB at a football game). And the show was so funny, the last joke wasn't even really necessary, it was like the profane little cherry on top that made it all the more memorable. Can't wait to send the link for the script to my Mom (Jones '73) who used to tell me stories of the MOB's glory long before I was even thinking about college.

edit: This show was well worth any potential fine, and if y'all need some help paying it, don't be shy about letting us know on the board here. I know I'm willing to chip in an entrance fee and I bet my Rice-grad relatives would pony up a bit too after hearing the whole story and seeing the script or a youtube video. Tulsa can whine all it wants, if they had brought their band, I would've watched respectfully. Maybe Rice fans just know how to take an insult or, I dunno, a joke (we've certainly had to put up with a fair amount of it from the likes of UT, Tech, Houston, etc.)...

I wouldn't exactly call what transpired this week as Rice fan knowing "how to take an insult or, I dunno, a joke"

The MOB show sounds funny, wish I had seen it in person.

I meant in comparison to Tulsa fans.

Oh, and Vincenzo, thanks for clarifying...
I just read the transcript.

Funny, very. Appropriate for a football game? Absolutely classless. You may hate Graham, but that was over the line. The unfortunate thing is that Tulsa is a Presbyterian school and their administration probably won't allow them to put on an appropriate response.
Also, Brown had a chance to go back to his alma mater, Vanderbilt.

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BlazerMatt Wrote:I just want to say, as a UAB fan: Our loss to you at your place was painful, saddening, and depressing. It has now been made even more so because the MOB didn't do anything near this original and funny about Watson during halftime of the game. Shame on you MOB for missing a great opportunity... SHAME ON YOU!

There's a few differences between Brown's situation and Graham's situation at Rice:

1. When Brown left Rice, he was completely honest about the situation. He didn't try to pull any tricks with his contract buy-out, and he didn't sign an extension just a couple of days before he left.

2. Brown hadn't brought any great success to Rice; the team went 4-18 in his two seasons as coach. When he left for Vanderbilt, the general attitude was, "Well, if they want a 4-18 coach that badly..." (a sentiment that UAB perhaps should have had before it hired him).

3. Perhaps most importantly, it had been 21 years since Brown had left. Virtually no one in athletics was around who had any memory of him (and most of the few that were left were fired by Graham when he was hired). It would've been like playing Georgia Tech and doing a halftime show slagging on Homer Rice....
GreenMississippi Wrote:I just read the transcript.

Funny, very. Appropriate for a football game? Absolutely classless. You may hate Graham, but that was over the line.

Over what line? Where is the line? Where is the division between "over the line" and "not over the line"?
The only thing I might question is using the word douchebag in what is nominally a family setting. Now, the rain probably kept most families away, but still, I would think we'd want to be careful of the language that was used. But that's just me - I now have kids and have to be more sensitive to these things (even though I know they hear things elsewhere). If we want families to feel welcome at games, we do want to be careful.
MOBweb Wrote:I can't say we didn't mean to say what we said. (We did.) However, in light of some of the recent misrepresentation of our statements, and for those of you who missed the show...

Here's what we really said.

Hey MOBweb... could y'all include a description of the Jumbotron graphics in the show recap? Not the crowd shots, footage of action on the field, etc., but the stills that accompanied the jokes.

E.g., I know that when the "Your Mom suggested we should go lower" line was read, there was a picture of Stifler's Mom up there. "Donkey dung", y'all had a pic of Donkey from Shrek. At the end, of course it said "Welcome to Tulsa"; I think I've forgotten the rest! But those were funny touches, and would make the script recap even better.
gsloth Wrote:The only thing I might question is using the word douchebag in what is nominally a family setting. Now, the rain probably kept most families away, but still, I would think we'd want to be careful of the language that was used. But that's just me - I now have kids and have to be more sensitive to these things (even though I know they hear things elsewhere). If we want families to feel welcome at games, we do want to be careful.

The category I use for these phrases is "mild vulgarity." So far this season we've used "flaming bag of poo," "douchebag," and "our Trojans *didn't* break." In my opinion (and that of the parents of impressionable-aged children I have consulted), none is a problem.

"Mommy, what is a 'douchebag?' "

"It means he's a jerk, dear."

"Oh, OK."

I do strive to have references in MOB shows be mild enough not to cause an "awkward explanation moment" for parents, or obscure enough to have the children not even know something has happened.

If either phrase is *really* a problem, please let me know. There won't ever be a show that is ruined by our not including a "mild vulgarity," and it is worth leaving something out if it will be bad for the kiddos.

Thanks,
Chuck Throckmorton
Director of Bands
director@mob.rice.edu
On my to-do list, Lauramac -- as well as the usual annotations about what music was played, form on the field, etc. Honestly, I've been too busy bouncing between the couple threads here and the... what... 11 now? threads over at Tulsa.

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Jumbotron slides are linked in the script.
Personally, I think the last remark detracted from an otherwise clever show. Just sayin'... Not many schools' fans take the lampooning as well as our friends in Austin. I know, I know. That's half the fun.

Lauramac's suggestion is a good one. Maybe that would help some people better understand the script -- what is said, and what it didn't. Post the Cliff notes.
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gsloth Wrote:The only thing I might question is using the word douchebag in what is nominally a family setting. Now, the rain probably kept most families away, but still, I would think we'd want to be careful of the language that was used. But that's just me - I now have kids and have to be more sensitive to these things (even though I know they hear things elsewhere). If we want families to feel welcome at games, we do want to be careful.

The category I use for these phrases is "mild vulgarity." So far this season we've used "flaming bag of poo" and "douchebag." In my opinion (and that of the parents of impressionable-aged children I have consulted), neither is a problem.

"Mommy, what is a 'douchebag?' "

"It means he's a jerk, dear."

I'm with you on the mild vulgarity, but it's one that few younger kids usually actually use (or would know how to use). I can't tell you how often I hear poo (and its variants) used in "humorous" (for them) situations. Douchebag, not so much. I guess the fact that they and their friends don't use it anyways makes it less likely that they'd use it after they hear it. I hope so, anyways.

Otherwise, great show!
Chuck-
One hell of a show yesterday, and I really like that we have a drumline that is kicking butt nowadays. I really liked the show, don't worry about the comments, I definitely saw the show at Stanford vs. ASU this year, and it was much more vulgar. Your show was hilarious!
I'd say the returns are in... and the MOB hit it out of the park. The infamous "Gold" is on their message board crying like a baby. Went to the trouble of writing what seems like a 5000 word essay on his trip to Houston and can't seem to get a complete sentence out without angling towards the "Rice Sucks" commentary. Even tries to convince his congregation that the show had nothing to do with TG but was solely directed at Tulsa Fan and their "hometown".

Oh... and lookout - he has done some crackpot detective work and has managed to find the phone number of Rice University... and possibly even some e-mail addesses and is publishing them to his faithful!

Absolutely Priceless.
Maybe the PCUSA should do something about the lack of ethics in the way in which Tulsa hired Todd Graham. That is certainly more important than a band show based loosely upon Dante's Inferno. I am member of a PCUSA church and I did not appreciate what Tulsa and Todd Graham did.

GreenMississippi Wrote:I just read the transcript.

Funny, very. Appropriate for a football game? Absolutely classless. You may hate Graham, but that was over the line. The unfortunate thing is that Tulsa is a Presbyterian school and their administration probably won't allow them to put on an appropriate response.
Chuck, I say this from the bottom of my heart: after seeing the show in person and now, after having read the script more than twenty-four hours later, I. Wouldn't. Have. Changed. A. Single. Word. of that show.
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