Men's
.................Gms...Total....Average
1.....Ohio......11...63,367....5,760.6
2.....Toledo...11...51,934....4,721.3
3.....Kent St..15...53,885....3,592.3
4.....WMU.....11...37,909....3,446.3
5.....Ball St...14...47,724....3,408.9
6.....Akron....15...49,658....3,310.5
7.....Miami....11...31,329....2,848.1
8.....Buffalo..12...23,183....1,931.9
9.....NIU......12...20,404....1,700.3
10...CMU......9....15,123....1,680.3
11...BGSU....13...17,574....1,351.8
12...EMU.....13...11,978....921.4
Women's
...................Gms...Total....Average
1.....Toledo....11.....17,901.....1,627.4
2.....BGSU.....12.....19,290.....1,607.5
3.....Ball St....11.....16,833.....1,530.3
4.....WMU......10.....9,292.....929.2
5.....Kent St..11.....8,093.....735.7
6.....NIU.......11.....7,303.....663.9
7.....Buffalo...13.....8,099.....623.0
8.....Ohio......13.....8,053.....619.5
9.....CMU......11.....6,702.....609.3
10...Miami.....15.....6,848.....456.5
11...Akron.....13.....4,741.....364.7
12...EMU.......11.....3,716.....337.8
Total
...................Gms...Total....Average
1.....Toledo...22.....69,835.....3,174.3
2.....Ohio......24.....71,420.....2,975.8
3.....Ball St...25.....63,557.....2,542.3
4.....Kent St..26.....61,978.....2,383.8
5.....WMU.....21.....47,201.....2,247.7
6.....Akron....28.....54,399.....1,942.8
7.....BGSU....25.....36,864.....1,474.6
8.....Miami....26.....38,177.....1,468.3
9.....Buffalo..25.....31,282.....1,251.3
10...NIU.......23.....27,707.....1,204.7
11...CMU......20.....21,825.....1,091.3
12...EMU......24.....15,694.....653.9
Those are all pretty sad. Kent State (especially) and Akron should be averaging a lot more. Ohio's is good but i think they could do better. NIU ended up being the worst team in the MAC yet we still averaged more than three other teams with better records. Miami just got done winning the MAC last year and had a nice start to the season yet their attendance was still below 3,000. Toledo is probably the only team that overachieved in attendance despite not being good. I don't even need to know the attendances for the HL, MVC, A-10, and CUSA to know they probably blew all of us out of the water.
I'm content w/ the OU men's average, could care less about an average of men's and women's. Don't understand the point of that.
Gooch Wrote:I'm content w/ the OU men's average, could care less about an average of men's and women's. Don't understand the point of that.
I understand the point completely, look at the fan allegance of the poster (Toledo). The Toledo fan wants to make attendance look the best in the MAC by combining men's and women's basketball.
I say if you are going to combine men and women's numbers you should also divide that number by the amount of people in each metropolitian area. When you make that calculation Toledo doesn't fare very well at all.
Airport KC Wrote:Gooch Wrote:I'm content w/ the OU men's average, could care less about an average of men's and women's. Don't understand the point of that.
I understand the point completely, look at the fan allegance of the poster (Toledo). The Toledo fan wants to make attendance look the best in the MAC by combining men's and women's basketball.
I say if you are going to combine men and women's numbers you should also divide that number by the amount of people in each metropolitian area. When you make that calculation Toledo doesn't fare very well at all.
Ah.... But yet Toledo has to deal with BG, EMU and U of M all with in 45 mins of UT. Not everyone's school is out in the middle of nowhere like OU.
Airport KC Wrote:I understand the point completely, look at the fan allegance of the poster (Toledo). The Toledo fan wants to make attendance look the best in the MAC by combining men's and women's basketball.
Actually, that was not what I was trying to do.
Quote:I say if you are going to combine men and women's numbers you should also divide that number by the amount of people in each metropolitian area. When you make that calculation Toledo doesn't fare very well at all.
Maybe you want to use the population idea to make Ohio's attendance look better.
Atten is why MAC is one bid conf. Full arena give you better atmosphere, attracts better players, brings in better OOC opponents. Ohio has value as NIT team, Tourns want the best teams, they also need fans to make money.
utpotts Wrote:Airport KC Wrote:Gooch Wrote:I'm content w/ the OU men's average, could care less about an average of men's and women's. Don't understand the point of that.
I understand the point completely, look at the fan allegance of the poster (Toledo). The Toledo fan wants to make attendance look the best in the MAC by combining men's and women's basketball.
I say if you are going to combine men and women's numbers you should also divide that number by the amount of people in each metropolitian area. When you make that calculation Toledo doesn't fare very well at all.
Ah.... But yet Toledo has to deal with BG, EMU and U of M all with in 45 mins of UT. Not everyone's school is out in the middle of nowhere like OU.
How many fans does UT lose from Savage Hall when BG and EMU are playing at the same time?
In football I can see a correlation between having UMich in the neighborhood and lower numbers but in basketball? Please.
templefootballfan Wrote:Atten is why MAC is one bid conf. Full arena give you better atmosphere, attracts better players, brings in better OOC opponents. Ohio has value as NIT team, Tourns want the best teams, they also need fans to make money.
The A-10 has crap numbers at 75% of its member schools too.
The MAC is 1 bid because its not the Big Ten or Big East.
Airport KC Wrote:utpotts Wrote:Airport KC Wrote:Gooch Wrote:I'm content w/ the OU men's average, could care less about an average of men's and women's. Don't understand the point of that.
I understand the point completely, look at the fan allegance of the poster (Toledo). The Toledo fan wants to make attendance look the best in the MAC by combining men's and women's basketball.
I say if you are going to combine men and women's numbers you should also divide that number by the amount of people in each metropolitian area. When you make that calculation Toledo doesn't fare very well at all.
Ah.... But yet Toledo has to deal with BG, EMU and U of M all with in 45 mins of UT. Not everyone's school is out in the middle of nowhere like OU.
How many fans does UT lose from Savage Hall when BG and EMU are playing at the same time?
In football I can see a correlation between having UMich in the neighborhood and lower numbers but in basketball? Please.
Wait until next year with a new Savage Hall building and a team that is better than the #12 team in the league.
Airport KC Wrote:How many fans does UT lose from Savage Hall when BG and EMU are playing at the same time?
Three if the game is on Wednesday but five on Tuesdays when two of the UT concession guys with degrees from BG have the night off.
KSU's attendance was hurt this season by having their home conference games frontloaded. Tomorrow is only their second home games since Feb. 9, and students traditionally don't show up in large numbers until February.
I don't need to be patronized by NIU fans. We all have congratulated NIU on their football attendance, but don't start throwing stones until you have a basketball program to compare it to.
Traditionally, Toledo, OU and Ball State are the top 3 when they have any sort of reasonable success. Nobody else in the league usually has anything to brag about. Bracket experts come up with some pointless numbers to try to rank NCAA tourney teams, but average attendance is not one of them. Most of the guys in the room have never seen MAC teams play. That is the main issue. They have no clue what anybody's attendance is.
Some of the women's figures are just as disappointing. EMU and Miami are right at the bottom with top-half teams most of the last decade.
Miami draws very few students to basketball anymore. Hockey is more popular with the students and many stand in line for an hour every game just to get in. Hockey only seats 3600 but we are averaging more in hockey than in basketball. When school is in session all the hockey games sell out. Student body was far more fired up to beat a rotten Ohio State hockey team on Friday night than they were to see us beat a good OU basketball team on Saturday.
KStud Wrote:I don't need to be patronized by NIU fans. We all have congratulated NIU on their football attendance, but don't start throwing stones until you have a basketball program to compare it to.
First, this has nothing to do with our football attendance because that should be better. I expect more from NIU fans like you should expect more from KSU fans.
All i'm saying is KSU's attendance should be a lot better considering their history. If you don't agree with me, then that is fine. The entire conference should be as well, until that happens i don't think people should be surprised how often the MAC gets snubbed from at-large bids. If fans of respective MAC teams don't care then why is the NCAA selection committee going to care? I could only wish that our basketball program had 11 straight 20-win seasons. I don't understand what February has anything to do with basketball. Games are played indoors unlike football where November weather could keep people from attending. KSU has a very good team this year (as well as the last decade), people should be filling the seats to watch your team.
Kent State at 3,600 for 15 home games is a number I don't think is all that bad. That is more home games than a lot of programs play.
Buffalo while not great is much improved in attendance from its early years in the conference.
Miami is dissapointing with the kind of NCAA ready schedules they play every year.
Miami non-conference
Xavier
@South Alabama
USC
@Miss State
Dayton
@Louisville
Indiana State
@Wright State
Chicago St.
@Illinios
@Kansas
@Cincinnati
@Valpo
Every single game on that schedule is a school from a solid conference. 6 BCS schools. Miami shouldn't be averaging 2,800 in men's basketball playing schedules like this every year.
As for Ohio, attendance for men's basketball suffers from a long winter break when the town empties out.
Ohio's attendance average when school is in session:
6,643
Ohio has been talking about going to semester system eliminating winter break and that would be an automatic boost to basketall attendance.
Airport KC Wrote:templefootballfan Wrote:Atten is why MAC is one bid conf. Full arena give you better atmosphere, attracts better players, brings in better OOC opponents. Ohio has value as NIT team, Tourns want the best teams, they also need fans to make money.
The A-10 has crap numbers at 75% of its member schools too.
The MAC is 1 bid because its not the Big Ten or Big East.
The A-10 has a huge range from Dayton at the top at 12,761 to La Salle at the bottom with 1913. C-USA is the same way with Memphis averaging great number and Rice averaging under 1000.
i'm a toledo fan but will admit toledo's numbers are usually padded. ut sells a lot of season tickets to folks who don't come unless it's a big game on a night with good weather. some of those tickets seem to find their way into attendance numbers. all rocket fans have been to games with 3000 or so folks in the house and an announced attendance of 4900 or so. miami also pads some numbers. they have had games this yr (with a good team) when there were less than a thousand butts in seats. akron and kent draw well for mac play since their programs solidified.
overall, lots of places have seen attendance go down. people watch more and more tv and have more options for watching. there also has been an increase in corporatism and a decrease in local businesses and sense of place. 25 years ago folks would come out to watch the home team even if they weren't very good because it was the game in town. that sense of loyalty isn't what it used to be. the big time programs haven't suffered but the mid level programs (especially public universities) that aren't big winners are gradually losing their fan base.
i also think that the rule changes didn't help much. the 35 shot clock and the 3 pointer have pushed the college game into more of a perimeter oriented one on one style. when you have mediocre players that style of play can be ugly. before the rule changes a team with average talent often played with a greater level of teamwork and execution. take toledo this year. the rockets probably have had more highlight reel dunks this season than any other yr in their history, but 3/4 of the time they are just ugly to watch.
A lot of EMU's games were some weekday games and some of those with horrible weather. Also we had two games over Spring Break which definitely put a dent in the attendance. Hopefully the numbers will look good for the final home game on Saturday, especially since we're playing NIU.
TheClyde Wrote:A lot of EMU's games were some weekday games and some of those with horrible weather. Also we had two games over Spring Break which definitely put a dent in the attendance. Hopefully the numbers will look good for the final home game on Saturday, especially since we're playing NIU.
Excuses excuses excuses. Is Breaking 1k looking good?
Why does it matter? EMU is able to fund its swimming and track programs and all its other programs as well. Who cares whether there are 700 at an EMU men's basketball game or 200 at an OU women's game?