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Here is a formula somebody used last year combining the rankings of scout.com and rivals.com

Temple 143
Toledo 152
Akron 153
Miami 172
CMU 176
Kent 179

Not sure it means much but relative to other conferences we seem to be doing well as a conference.

Buffalo loses one to Georgia Tech.

http://frontier.cincinnati.com/blogs/pre...l-news.asp

Polish Hammer Wrote:it's a mystery how they can continue to sign 30+ guys every year and still be under the 25/year and 85 total limits.

Here's a quick primer for you on this recruiting practice:

"More believe oversigning is a necessary practice that allows schools to take chances on players who might not qualify academically, benefiting the school and the players, and ensures a full roster of 85 after the natural attrition of transfers and injuries that takes place at every school."

From a recent CNNSI column by Stewart Mandel on recruiting:

"Indeed, last year eight SEC teams signed more than 25 players, the maximum scholarship allowed per class, presumably knowing not all signees would qualify academically."

From a recent Columbus Dispatch article:
"Schools routinely sign more than 25 players on signing day. Looking at those same national powerhouse schools over the past six years, they oversigned 44 percent of the time (16 of 36 classes). West Virginia signed 34 players in 2002 and 32 in 2005.

"Of the six Bowl Championship Series leagues, only the Big Ten has limits on oversigning. Until 2002, the Big Ten did not allow oversigning. Now, it allows schools to oversign by three -- to 28 players -- but they must send a letter to the conference office explaining how they will get to 25 by the start of preseason practice.

"Since 2002, five Big Ten schools have oversigned at least once.

"Schools that oversign solve the surplus in several ways. Sometimes, they sign borderline academic cases, figuring not all will qualify to enroll. Sometimes, coaches believe a current player will leave early for the NFL or transfer.

"Schools also can persuade a recruit to grayshirt, or delay enrollment until winter or spring, and therefore they count toward the next year's limit."

You may not like the process, but Coach Golden and the Temple staff aren't doing anything that isn't being done by most of the leading D-1 schools out there. Now can we end the "mystery" talk?

You're making this too easy when you're making my point for me. Now all of a sudden they do overextend themselves but it's OK because alot of the big schools do it. I didn't realise Temple had so many kids opting for the draft, mystery solved! LOL!

mystery solved; good, now can you find another hobbie. bunch bull **** about nothing. maybe you can work on your spelling

No mystery to me, must be to the Temple fans as they are in denial and then contradict themselves by making that very point but give a bull justification that the big boys do it. My spelling is just fine, much better than your punctuation and capitalization. I'll work on getting a new "hobbie", perhaps you should work on getting your own grammar down before trying to bust on somebody else for their's.

Mr. Spelling Wrote:mystery solved; good, now can you find another hobbie. bunch bull **** about nothing. maybe you can work on your spelling

I'm guessing you meant:

Mystery solved! Good, now can you find another hobby? Bunch of bull **** about nothing. Maybe you can work on your spelling.

Polish Hammer Wrote:You're making this too easy when you're making my point for me. Now all of a sudden they do overextend themselves but it's OK because alot of the big schools do it.

Please explain your point to us, because I'm having a hard time understanding it.

You don't like that Temple is over-signing recruits. I explained to you that over-signing is an allowed, accepted, valuable recruiting tool that schools in EVERY BCS conference utilize. It's also a practice that is allowed in the MAC - otherwise, Temple wouldn't have been able to over-sign players in our past few classes.

So what's your beef?

And please explain why you were in denial about it for so long but now because you can find a BCS school that does it to replace their early entry NFL players (something Temple will probably never have to worry about), you seem to think it justifies Temple doing it? According to the quotes you so graciously provided, the other reason these BCS school overextend themselves on the recruits is to cover the academic casualties, but it's been said here several times how Golden has raised the bar academically. Sounds like you don't have a leg to stand on. Funny but you were dumbfounded how I could ask how they average 30 verbals a year and still have room for another 30 this year but now it's OK because the big boys do it. There's a huge difference between things that get tolerated and things that are ethical.

more useless dripple, does it ever end

Don't read it or respond to it and you won't get a response in return to the "dripple" Mr. Spelling.

Maybe the NCAA is looking the other way, letting TU break the rules? Feel free to notify the NCAA ASAP Hammer.



<--- Typical MAC BBS poster after trying to converse with Hammer

And typical Owls fan, 2-3 different posters yet there's 12 different guys posting the same stuff, most having very few posts to their credit yet reference things that only a frequent flyer here would know, no capitalization in the user ID and same old nonsense in the post, not to hard to figure that one out either! With so many Temple fans here you'd think the Temple forum would be hopping, yet there hasn't been a single post by a Temple fan over there in almost 4 months. Keep changing the user IDs and bringing the same nonsense, I'm not going anywhere!

I'm just curious. Is there a good reason to constantly be pissing in Temple's Wheaties?

I had a legitimate question:

Polish Hammer Wrote:How many years in a row can you sign 30 guys (again over the 25 limit) and still be under the 85 total scholarship cap?

Not my fault somebody couldn't comprehend that simple question and give a legitimate answer, but instead chose to drag it around and around and then try to justify the actions by saying the BCS schools do it.

That's not the answer, I like to know why also. That's twice now you acussed me of being double poster, either prove it or shut up about it.

Hammer, has you been a'cussin' agin'?

Good article on recruiting and just what these verbals mean.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/s...FHeadlines

templefootballfan Wrote:That's not the answer, I like to know why also. That's twice now you acussed me of being double poster, either prove it or shut up about it.

And prove to me you're not, I've already laid out there what I thought, good to see so many rabid Temple fans yet the Temple forum is a ghost town, why? Must be too hard to log in and out with the various user IDs to actually carry on any sort of discussion. Tell me these are all different people:

tchaump
victory engineer
conical fermenter
scipio spinks
templeprophet
templefan1
templefootballfan

Anything look odd? And that's without actually looking at the feedback and posts to see they almost all came on here with the same nonsense and all have each other's back on the feedback yet again the Temple forum is absolutely vacant. Keep rolling through with new names and onto the next one, I'm not going anywhere!

Polish Hammer Wrote:And typical Owls fan, 2-3 different posters yet there's 12 different guys posting the same stuff, most having very few posts to their credit yet reference things that only a frequent flyer here would know, no capitalization in the user ID and same old nonsense in the post, not to hard to figure that one out either! With so many Temple fans here you'd think the Temple forum would be hopping, yet there hasn't been a single post by a Temple fan over there in almost 4 months.

And if you're not, good for you, want a cookie? That would then leave 1-2 different posters acting as the other 11 or so posters.

tchaump Wrote:You can't spell "Golden" without "God"...

Or "old"

Or "olde"

Or "den"

Or "Go"

I can't spell 5 of them words, Tchump jusy laid me out for my spelling. I look up Templefan1 & let you know