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Huggs' team had a final shot to win the game on a driving layup. dude puts up a finger roll that looked to be on the way down that got swatted by Ewing Jr. IMO it was goaltending, and Huggs chased Hightower and his crew out of the arena. The locals will not be happy! looked like a screw job...

IMO, the ball was on the way down. Not by alot, but the angle from the left side of half court looked like it went a rotation downward. It was a pretty good set play coming out of the timeout.

Free throws killed WVU in that game.

Bottom line, an official isnt going to make that call unless it's not even close.

Coopdaddy67 Wrote:IMO, the ball was on the way down. Not by alot, but the angle from the left side of half court looked like it went a rotation downward. It was a pretty good set play coming out of the timeout.

Free throws killed WVU in that game.

Bottom line, an official isnt going to make that call unless it's not even close.

I thought the ball was coming down. There wasn't alot of arc to the shot which makes the call harder. Ed Hightower strikes again.

WVU was 12-30 from the stripe. How can a team that shoots very well miss that many free throws?

As Don would tell us, if you put it off the glass, then if it is blocked, they have to call the goaltend.

It was close, but my first reaction was it was a goaltend.

That was WAY to close to call, it wasn't a simple call. It wasn't a bang-bang play and it wasn't clearcut goaltending. That play was WAY to close for people to run around screaming "screwjob" or someone is out to get somebody. Freethrowing shooting did them in.

just visited the scout wvu board, and you gotta love a passionate (yet delusional) fan base. most saying the ball was on the way down, a minority saying it was too close to call or not goaltending, some arguing back and forth, and my personal favorite: this is going down as a win in my own personal record book? ok, buddy... whatever you say. someone on that board made a good point though. is that play reviewable? right before the half of that game they checked to see if a shot was released in time, and it turns out it wasn't. can the officials look at the replay to determine if the ball was on the way down or not? hightower and friends hightailed it out of there in such a hurry, i didn't think about that point until later. on a related note, what a log jam in the middle pack of the big east. ten teams are within two games of leader Gtown, who only has one loss in the conference.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=159#s=159...&t=1923643

CatsClaw Wrote:That was WAY to close to call, it wasn't a simple call. It wasn't a bang-bang play and it wasn't clearcut goaltending. That play was WAY to close for people to run around screaming "screwjob" or someone is out to get somebody. Freethrowing shooting did them in.

I think most people thought it was goaltending as it occurred and then confirmed it with themselves after seeing the replay. It was close and I didnt expect Hightower to decide the game with his whistle.

As stated, free throw shooting hurt them.

I'll never understand why defenders dont force the offensive player to drive when they're up 2 points. Instead, the guy got a pretty good look at a 3 to win the game.

I didn't see the game or the highlights. With that said, it the ball doesn't go off the glass, most refs look at where the blocker was when he jumped. If he was more than halfway between the shooter and the rim, it is goaltending. Otherwise, it ain't. If you watch refs, you will see that they don't really follow the arc of the ball. they are looking elsewhere. Hence, regardless of how the rules reads, what is important is how almost all refs make the call.

One other thing...... Years ago, I saw Huggs at his radio show and someone asked about the best refs in the NCAA. Huggs had a number of guys he liked including Welmer -- who I think is the best. According to Huggs, Hightower was the best at that time. Wonder if he still thinks so?????

Coopdaddy67 Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:That was WAY to close to call, it wasn't a simple call. It wasn't a bang-bang play and it wasn't clearcut goaltending. That play was WAY to close for people to run around screaming "screwjob" or someone is out to get somebody. Freethrowing shooting did them in.

I think most people thought it was goaltending as it occurred and then confirmed it with themselves after seeing the replay. It was close and I didnt expect Hightower to decide the game with his whistle.

As stated, free throw shooting hurt them.

I'll never understand why defenders dont force the offensive player to drive when they're up 2 points. Instead, the guy got a pretty good look at a 3 to win the game.

That's what I don't understand. Make the guy go to the basket. I hate when teams don't guard the 3 point shooter, or run over to double-team a guy leaving the 3 point shooter open.

mrstealz012 Wrote:just visited the scout wvu board, and you gotta love a passionate (yet delusional) fan base. most saying the ball was on the way down, a minority saying it was too close to call or not goaltending, some arguing back and forth, and my personal favorite: this is going down as a win in my own personal record book? ok, buddy... whatever you say. someone on that board made a good point though. is that play reviewable? right before the half of that game they checked to see if a shot was released in time, and it turns out it wasn't. can the officials look at the replay to determine if the ball was on the way down or not? hightower and friends hightailed it out of there in such a hurry, i didn't think about that point until later. on a related note, what a log jam in the middle pack of the big east. ten teams are within two games of leader Gtown, who only has one loss in the conference.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=159#s=159...&t=1923643

LOL! Good find stealz!

Here is the last play,



That is goaltending.

mrstealz012 Wrote:just visited the scout wvu board, and you gotta love a passionate (yet delusional) fan base. most saying the ball was on the way down, a minority saying it was too close to call or not goaltending, some arguing back and forth, and my personal favorite: this is going down as a win in my own personal record book? ok, buddy... whatever you say. someone on that board made a good point though. is that play reviewable? right before the half of that game they checked to see if a shot was released in time, and it turns out it wasn't. can the officials look at the replay to determine if the ball was on the way down or not? hightower and friends hightailed it out of there in such a hurry, i didn't think about that point until later. on a related note, what a log jam in the middle pack of the big east. ten teams are within two games of leader Gtown, who only has one loss in the conference.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=159#s=159...&t=1923643

Good God! Is there ANY intelligent life on that board? Goes to show you what you get with successive generations of in-breeding.

Superfly, in very slow-mo, it looks like goaltending. Would you make that call at full speed?

It was a close call at game speed and I was unsure myself, but after seeing that replay I can see it was goaltending. However, I do think the refs did the right thing in not calling it because it was very close to a block. Had he made the call and replay showed it was on its way up, the refs would have received a lot more Sh*t.

QSECOFR Wrote:Superfly, in very slow-mo, it looks like goaltending. Would you make that call at full speed?

I am not a referee so I have no experience in these matters. What call would you make?

ntalkers, per NCAA rules a basket interference call is not reviewable.

I watched it live... couldn't decide if it was coming down or not. I think the right call was made (and I hate Ed Hightower). Huggs will probably get in some trouble for running after Hightower after the game.

Too close to call.

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:

QSECOFR Wrote:Superfly, in very slow-mo, it looks like goaltending. Would you make that call at full speed?

I am not a referee so I have no experience in these matters. What call would you make?

Superfly, at full speed, I think I make a no call.

QSECOFR Wrote:

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:

QSECOFR Wrote:Superfly, in very slow-mo, it looks like goaltending. Would you make that call at full speed?

I am not a referee so I have no experience in these matters. What call would you make?

Superfly, at full speed, I think I make a no call.

Tough call to make. Most calls, when a last call or rebound is concerned, the refs let em go. I remember Lorenzen Wright, of Mempis in a NCAA game, pulling the shorts off of a Purdue player to get an offensive tip in to win the game. No call was made. Nontheless 98% of call are made at "full" speed.