...about bringing other sports into the MAC.
Per OU President McDavis...
"He also said that the MAC is still having discussions with Temple University about joining the conference in more sports (only its football team is in the conference now), and he would still like to see one more school join the conference."
Link:
http://www.athensnews.com/index.php?acti...y_id=30250
I think it all depends on what the BE does. IF BE splits & BB schools take premier schools from the A-10, Temple could end up in the MAC full time. however there is small chance Temple ends up with FB schools.
templefootballfan Wrote:I think it all depends on what the BE does. IF BE splits & BB schools take premier schools from the A-10, Temple could end up in the MAC full time. however there is small chance Temple ends up with FB schools.
When is the BE splitting? If it's not by 2010, then forget about it. You can bet that the MAC will tell Temple to join for all sports at the end of the contract. If not, then the MAC will cut all ties to Temple so we can go back to even divisions, unless we can get Army or Navy to join as football-only members.
My personal opioun is that it worked out good for the MAC & Temple. there plenty of FB only out there that would intrest MAC [Army, Navy, ILL St, Missouri St, UMASS]. Maybe MAC should start thinking about U of Toronto.
templefootballfan Wrote:My personal opioun is that it worked out good for the MAC & Temple. there plenty of FB only out there that would intrest MAC [Army, Navy, ILL St, Missouri St, UMASS]. Maybe MAC should start thinking about U of Toronto.
None of those FCS teams can move up until 2011. I don't think Missouri State wants to move up and UMass is way out of the region. Illinois State is a possibility but they would need a new stadium before moving up and they don't offer the MAC much unlike Army and Navy who have academics, facilities, fans, bowl tie-ins, and their own TV contracts.
epasnoopy Wrote:templefootballfan Wrote:I think it all depends on what the BE does. IF BE splits & BB schools take premier schools from the A-10, Temple could end up in the MAC full time. however there is small chance Temple ends up with FB schools.
When is the BE splitting? If it's not by 2010, then forget about it. You can bet that the MAC will tell Temple to join for all sports at the end of the contract. If not, then the MAC will cut all ties to Temple so we can go back to even divisions, unless we can get Army or Navy to join as football-only members.
The Big East can still split after 2010. It might not split until 2013 though, that's when the television deal expires.
I agree, but the MAC needs to exstend it's foot print. 9 schools in 2 states is bit much.
templefootballfan Wrote:I agree, but the MAC needs to exstend it's foot print. 9 schools in 2 states is bit much.
I agree, i don't like like that we have so many members in two states but most of them have been in the MAC for a long time so they aren't going anywhere. I would love for the MAC to keep Temple with all-sports and add Army or Navy for football only.
I don't think FB only's hurt the MAC. I don't think BB only's would the MAC, I don't understand what Xavier & Dayton get out of playing in A-10. It would be nice if they could entice Butler & St Loius to come with them. Mac would have to move tourn to Cin, but it would be sellouts all they way trough tour
templefootballfan Wrote:I don't think FB only's hurt the MAC.
I do think some football only schools hurt the MAC. Navy and Army wouldn't because they're already built up and established with everything they need to be successful. Plus, they could entice more bowl tie-ins. Adding schools like UMass, Illinois State, etc do nothing for the MAC but even out divisions. Those schools aren't going to entice new bowl games, increased TV, etc. Then you have to split the little bowl and TV revenue more ways. You want to add programs that add value and not for the sole purpose of evening out divisions.
templefootballfan Wrote:I don't think BB only's would the MAC, I don't understand what Xavier & Dayton get out of playing in A-10. It would be nice if they could entice Butler & St Loius to come with them. Mac would have to move tourn to Cin, but it would be sellouts all they way trough tour
You talking about the MAC being a hybrid conference like the Big East and SBC? Having those teams you mentioned plus Temple in basketball would surely get the MAC to the level of MVC and multiple teams.
What these comments show is where Ohio stands with Temple and expansion. Sounds like Ohio is firmly behind Temple and hope they bring everything. Temple football was a home run for MAC in 2007. Owls won some games and were a very exciting team. No doubt that Temple proves the MAC presidents right and the critics wrong with the football add. Now finding a 14th member is gonna be the next step. I think they would like to bring in a school that would compliment Temple basketball if they bring every thing. They might ask Temple for ideas as to who might come with them in basktball and football.
Expansion options with Temple all-sports in the MAC.
Delaware- You have potential travel partner and they add a new state to mix. No other FBS schools in that state so this would be a huge bonus for the MAC.
UMass- this would be a major step up in basketball. UMass is a longtime A-10 rival of Temple in basketball.
James Madison- A new state for the MAC. This team in located in Northern Virginia and would bring in the DC crowd and perhaps expanding MAC recruiting onto ACC turf.
Eastern Kentucky- This would be an option as WKY is now in the Sun Belt and EKU might want to move up to the same level as WKU.
Army or Navy- great schools, but the MAC title game is a conflict for them.
Appalachian State- They seem to be tired of winning national titles and beating Michigan schools. Perhaps they want to move up to the big money now.
templefootballfan Wrote:I don't think FB only's hurt the MAC. I don't think BB only's would the MAC, I don't understand what Xavier & Dayton get out of playing in A-10. It would be nice if they could entice Butler & St Loius to come with them. Mac would have to move tourn to Cin, but it would be sellouts all they way trough tour
This Temple FB only deal has screwed up everybodies MAC schedule. So far, there hasn't been any direct dividends for the MAC.
When we had Marshall in the league that was different because they brought really good football and a passionate fans to fill up stadiums. Temple does not have that.
I think Temple should be forced to go all-sport by 2010 or be asked to leave in FB.
CatsClaw Wrote:epasnoopy Wrote:templefootballfan Wrote:I think it all depends on what the BE does. IF BE splits & BB schools take premier schools from the A-10, Temple could end up in the MAC full time. however there is small chance Temple ends up with FB schools.
When is the BE splitting? If it's not by 2010, then forget about it. You can bet that the MAC will tell Temple to join for all sports at the end of the contract. If not, then the MAC will cut all ties to Temple so we can go back to even divisions, unless we can get Army or Navy to join as football-only members.
The Big East can still split after 2010. It might not split until 2013 though, that's when the television deal expires.
U will have a real good insight soon to BE future..soon if they are going to split it will be known by middle of 2009.. or if they wish to delay decision a deal will have been reached to extend the get out of jail free card till 2013.. if nothing happens by 2010 then nothing will happen it will cost 5 mil per team to leave... and that wont happen.
Airport KC Wrote:I think Temple should be forced to go all-sport by 2010 or be asked to leave in FB.
Polish Hammer Wrote:Airport KC Wrote:I think Temple should be forced to go all-sport by 2010 or be asked to leave in FB.
This idea was part of the original deal. It's been my understanding that when Temple joined the MAC they had to decide in 2010 to either join for all sports or walk away.
That should give both parties enough time to figure out if they want all in or all out. But even if they do go all in the MAC will never another school to balance things out.
Temple is as likely to join the MAC for all sports as they are the Big Ten. There is no reason to.
Joining for all sports doesn't help the schedule in football. And for all the complaining about the schedule it sure had alot of teams still contending into November.
victory engineer Wrote:Temple is as likely to join the MAC for all sports as they are the Big Ten. There is no reason to.
Joining for all sports doesn't help the schedule in football. And for all the complaining about the schedule it sure had alot of teams still contending into November.
I don't understand why you feel Temple will not join the MAC for all sports. There is a reason to join, an obvious reason. Your school is an affiliate member for football only. That membership will expire in 2010 and the MAC and Temple will need to renegotiate at that point. I believe, it would be in the MAC's best interest for Temple to join for all sports. I also believe, that Temple football needs the MAC to survive. If Temple is not interested in becoming a full member at that time, it might be time to end the affilate membership. I am hoping that Temple will become a full member in 2010.
If Temples only option is to join the MAC for all sports or cancel football, you are probably correct that they would join for all sports. From what I know they could have joined CUSA for all sports and decided on the MAC because the MAC offered football only. I don;t know if that "offer" is still on the table and while there is alot of hatred on this board for CUSA it is more attractive from an all sports point of view in MHO. From what I have heard the "plan" so to say is to make the football program better and if and when the BIG East breaks up be as attractive to the new conferences as possible. This split more then likely would cause quite a shake up whereas teams from the MAC, A-10 and CUSA would all be shifting. This could mean Toledo or Ohio or any MAC schools leaving and Temple would then be a all sports option. Temple is greatfull for joining the MAC but we are also loyal to the A-10. It doesn't make sense to have Temple join the MAC for all sports in 2009 and have them leave in 2 or 3 years as the whole world of conferences is shoken up.
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/sports.apx...-0159.html
check out the above article....
I think Temple will decide to stay with the MAC. The Big East will look at Central Florida first and then Memphis. I think Temple is indeed coming with basketball to the soon. Xavier and Dayton own that league now. Temple is well behind and they know it. They don't draw any better than the MAC. Football is improving and they are an average at best program among the A-10.