BUT!!!...
Don't get suckered in just yet. SIU is a team that has no outside shooter what so ever. There were numerous occasions that SIU would clank an open shot, that Northwestern, IUPUI, Valpo, and San Diego State knocked down. SIU also isnt nearly as athletic as any of those teams.
Like I said earlier, this is a good win for us, but I have been dooped twice before this season already. And it will take more than one win to make me think this team has changed.
I wasn't sure how much of SIU's lack of offense was us, and how much was that they simply couldn't hit shots. They had a number of clean looks, and they just didn't fall.
Considering their recent history, I would say more them. But for anyone who works with other people to get them to perform, X's and O's are superflous if you have no faith.
Tonites game, win or lose, IMO was a "test" of and for both the staff and the kids. Could they rebound mentally and emotionally?
Can there be changes in strateegery? Sure. Personnel? Absolutely. But it's all window dressing if as some on this board implied was true, that Hawk had or was about to "lose this team".
There is an adage that before you can begin to recover you must hit rock bottom. I believe it to be true, if you can't "nip or catch" the downward causes immediately. WMU could not, IUPUI was "possibly" that bottom, at least for the first 1/3 of the season.
Regardless of SIU's reason for failure, WMU could have not answered the bell. They did. That's good. But it's not done. They are a couple more games before the MAC starts and that is a whole 'nother ball of string to work through. But as of tonite, all's good on the Western front.
Quote:SIU is a team that has no outside shooter what so ever. There were numerous occasions that SIU would clank an open shot, that Northwestern, IUPUI, Valpo, and San Diego State knocked down.
Whoa whoa whoa. Slow down, random rhyming username
Make of it what you want to, but of the teams you listed, SIU is probably the only one of those teams that will make the big dance without blinking. SDSU could, but it's too early to see if they're actually a good capable team.
I've looked at SIU's record and who they've played. It's still a pretty good win for us.
Like I said, this was a really good win for this team. But don't get suckered in just yet. SIU is probably a better team than the others we lost too, but we matched up with SIU the best also. All the other teams had strengths in their lineups, where we had weaknesses. Thus, we lost by 8-15 points on the road in those games.
Basically, what I am saying is our team can be really good if they play solid defense an entire game. I am just not sure if our defense looked great because of their missed shots, or we are the ones that forced those missed shots. The jury will be out about 4 games into conference play.
What us fans do not realize too often is the nature of the teams we are losing to. Is there anyone here that can site for me the combined records of the teams to Broncos have lost to?
I heard last night from a players parent, that the record of these teams are 47 wins, 15 loses. Folks that is a win record of over 75%, not chopped liver.
For us to judge our teams, players and coaches without this knowledge is crazy. To beat these teams would require an almost flawless effort everytime out. The players and coaches regret every little missed mistake, and opportunity of those loses. I know that our program is in excellent hands am I'm damned proud of all of them.
Therefore, I'm always proud to be a Bronco.
Quote:Is there anyone here that can site [sic] for me the combined records of the teams to Broncos have lost to?
I usually leave these kinds of things to the more capable Koeman, but yes, I will cite those for you (6 losses):
Pacific (road loss 90-76) is 8-3
Oregon (road loss 97-88) is 8-2
Valporaiso (road loss 77-65) is 10-1
San Diego St (road 72-610 is 9-2
NW'ern (Home 65-63) is 4-4
IUPUI (road 71-63) is 8-2
Combined record is 47-14 and a 77.05% winning percentage for the teams we have lost to. Looking at it in whole, the only really bad loss we have had was against Northwestern. We have at least a couple quality wins to help offset that.
Thanks for bringing this to our attention Acer. As with much in life, it pays to keep things in perspective.
Yet another excuse. Still should have beat Pacific, Valpo, Northwestern and IUPUI. Add in two more winnable non conference games yet to come and you get 11-2 Then we're talkin' at large consideration. We might as well call this the Season of Excuses. I am curious as to what the next one will be.
Quote:Yet another excuse. Still should have beat Pacific, Valpo, Northwestern and IUPUI. Add in two more winnable non conference games yet to come and you get 11-2 Then we're talkin' at large consideration. We might as well call this the Season of Excuses. I am curious as to what the next one will be.
Although we probably should have won all these games, the fact is, we did not win them. You can't win them all. No reason to criticize the team or this season so harshly because we lost some winnable games (that were mostly on the road). That is just another whine. I wonder what the next whine will be.
Our team can do better and I think with some confidence and a little support, they just might. If they run off 8 straight wins or something like it, will the whiners and critics be back in the bandwagon professing how they always had faith in this team?
Yeah, probably.
thats what I was getting at Acer. The teams we lost to all had a guy or two or even three that could knock down an open shot every time he took it. SIU didnt have that player, and therefore our defense looked good.
So you accept mediocrity?? I guess the current state of the hockey team is okay with you too. How many years do they need to play together to gain confidence?? Here's our newest excuse. Man, they just keep piling up.
The only way running eight wins will do us any good now is if they are on Feb. 23 and Mar 1,4,9 & 12-15.
Good job against the salukis!!
Bada, who here is suggesting that medicore is good enough?
Life is a matter of perspective, and I'm just suggesting that too many people don't have enough of it. The way that so many people talk is that unless you are the champion, you must not be much........perspective man. There is only one national champion in college football, so does that make all the other 115 Division I colleges that are not champions "losers". This fan, supporter and human being does not think so.
If you are living for the fact that your college team wins a champion so that you can run around and brag about it to everyone, you need a dose of perspective, because you are destined for a long life of disappointment.
Always proud to be a Bronco.
We did end up having losses to what so far turned out to be very good teams, just like in football, which makes our record look worse than it is at first glance. Tough one to swallow, these games against these good records could have served us well, but the horses have left the barn.
What could have been.
I expected and still expect really good things from this team, so the disappointment isn't without merit, some have different ways of saying THESE LOSSES SUCKED!! That's all.
Okay, they were all quality losses I guess. Never mind that Pacific, SDSU, IUIUP, and Valpo were basically blowouts, just focus on their records.
If we're supposed to be a good team then we'd at least have been in the game with those teams. Too much talent to be getting pasted by the likes of IUIUP and Valpo.
As for the football analogy, it doesn't really work. Valpo and IUIUP aren't Mizzo or WVU. And Akron and CMU were not lopsided blowouts.
I agree, but they were losses to good teams nevertheless, I think we should have for sure two more wins than we do. I'm one of those not happy with the losses or Hawks explaination the other day that these don't mean much.
acer1 Wrote:Life is a matter of perspective, and I'm just suggesting that too many people don't have enough of it. The way that so many people talk is that unless you are the champion, you must not be much........perspective man. There is only one national champion in college football, so does that make all the other 115 Division I colleges that are not champions "losers".
If you are living for the fact that your college team wins a champion so that you can run around and brag about it to everyone, you need a dose of perspective, because you are destined for a long life of disappointment.
My perspective is that nobody is pissed that we lost four games we shouldn't have. Nobody is pissed that we could had come out of this non conference 11-2. Nobody is pissed that even with a veteran team our coaching staff writes off the first have of the season and puts all our eggs in one basket. My perspective is that we should not incent a coach to make it to the semi-finals of the CCHA. Lets have an incentive to win the whole damn thing. My perspective is that WMU is accepting underachievement and it pisses me off.
Bada-Bingo, you sound me when I get on my rants. IT IS frustrating, especially when the excuses start, I wonder when Munson got his roll going at Gonzaga, or Hawkins (or his predecessor) got their roll going at Boise if they accepted that mindset?
Wow, you are only talking about there being incentives Bada. Let's see if Coach Hawkins or Coach Cubit wins as much as you feel he shoud, they'd be snatched up by one of the bigs in a heart beat for 2, 3 or 4 times as much as WMU is paying them.
The last I checked just about all of the WMU revenue sports coaches had performance clauses in their contracts that would further increase their pay for winning the league, for going to post season play and for attendance.
Do you think these are incentives?????????
These are men that put their success and jobs on the line by judging what 17 and 18 year old young people will do 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 years from now. Did you judge their ability correct, did they mature, or were they peaking at the times you were looking at them?
As a fan I would love to have more championships, and I work with these folks to do whatever I can to help get them the tools they need to succeed. I refuse to fall into the trap that the lack of success can be blamed on one person. I want programs that I can be proud of associating with and often that transcends just wins or losses.
I do not always agree the way things are handled, but unless I want to apply for that job, I will silently make suggestions to those that can make the changes.
I just don't feel that us fans are always fair to those that are trying to make a difference.
Always proud to be a Bronco.