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The Results.

When using a point system, there is often the possibility of ties and in this point system there really isn't much to distinguish #s 35, 38, and those who were just out of the Top 40.

There were 5 programs tied for #41 who just missed out but with a good showing in the NCAAs this year could supplant the six programs that are ranked at #35 or #38.

Just finishing out of the money:

#41 - Western Kentucky
#41 - Seton Hall
#41 - Penn
#41 - DePaul
#41 - Alabama

On to the Top 40:

#38 - West Virginia
#38 - Providence
#38 - Dayton

Of these three programs, only the Eers received points in the combined category of all-time wins/all-time winning percentages.

Dayton's points came largely from their doing well in NITs, while Providence's points were basically split between NITs and post 1974 NCAAs. Providence was also one of the 5 programs that made the Final Review as a result of post-season points alone.

#35 - Virginia
#35 - Iowa
#35 - Houston

Of these three programs, only the Hawkeyes received points in the combined category of all-time wins/all-time winning percentages. Both Houston and Virginia needed strong post 1974 NCAA performance points to make the list. Houston was another one of the 5 programs to make the Final Review as a result of post-season points alone, while Virginia was the program that didn't have the .566 (only .564) overall winning percentage but which I decided to include as program number 65 to review.

#34 - LSU

The bulk of LSU's points in this system are the result of post 1974 NCAA points.

#31 - UNLV
#31 - Texas
#31 - Notre Dame

UNLV is the third of five programs that makes the list solely on the strength of their post-season points alone, and all of them were earned post-1974.

Both Texas and Notre Dame are helped by their points received in the all-time wins/all-time winning percentage combo category. ND particularly, which is under double digits in post-season points, while Texas is barely double digits in post-season points.

#28 - Memphis
#28 - Marquette
#28 - Bradley

Memphis' points are mainly the result of post 1974 NCAA points while Bradley's points are mostly the result of NIT points and the combined category of all-time wins/all-time winning percentages.

Marquette has a little bit of just about everything (except for Helms' Foundation points), but still 3/5's of their points are coming from post 1974 NCAA points.

#27 - Florida

All of Florida's points are from the post 1974 NCAA points and they are the fourth program to make the list solely based upon post-season points. Their inclusion, especially this high, I believe, validates that this system does give considerable weight to recent program successes (so UConn fans can relax somewhat ).

#26 - Purdue


Purdue is the first program on the list to receive points in all 5 categories. The Boilermakers have done a little bit of everything, but have not excelled in any one area.

Upcoming later this afternoon - the Top 25 BB Programs of All-Time.

Cheers,
Neil

omnicarrier Wrote:#28 - Memphis
#28 - Marquette
#28 - Bradley

Memphis' points are mainly the result of post 1974 NCAA points

I would have thought playing in the national title game in 1973 would have more weight.

UTEP!

Gray Avenger Wrote:

omnicarrier Wrote:#28 - Memphis
#28 - Marquette
#28 - Bradley

Memphis' points are mainly the result of post 1974 NCAA points

I would have thought playing in the national title game in 1973 would have more weight.

To play UCLA in the 1973 Championship game, the Tigers had to beat three opponents. To play Villanova in the 1985 Final Four, the Tigers had to beat four teams. In 1992, 2006, and 2007, the Tigers had to beat three opponents (the same number they had to beat to get to UCLA back in 1973) simply to get to the Elite 8.

So, other than it being a championship game, why should it be weighted more? Even assuming the first round game in 1985 was easier than the first round game in 1973, I'd wager the likelihood that the next two games were against much tougher opponents than the second and third faced in 1973.

And even if they weren't in this particular case, in the one-and-done environment of March Madness, playing more games increases the odds of being eliminated.

At least that is how I see it.

I don't expect the above to 'win' you over, but just to give you some insight to how I approached the awarding of points.

Cheers,
Neil

Omni, I think you have a very good system. This is very interesting. I am actually glad to see Memphis as high as #28.