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Interesting Article.... What do you think

http://kentstate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=718448
My first thought is it's just a bunch of sour grapes 03-melodramatic but honestly i didn't see exactly what happened on that play. I do remember the double fouls and without the aid of play by play figured he hadn't let the Cant player get up. JD has always been considered a respectful coach and personally i would be surprised to find out that he went after a player that didn't sign with the Zips.

My second thought is what truly troubles me. There is a big difference between what i saw at the game and what i have hear since. Mind you i've attended a lot of Akron/Kent games over the years and i was glad i made the trip up from the Carolina's to see a very competitive game that was well attended for its last run in the Rubber Bowl. To think it was televised as well, i wouldn't have believed it if i hadn't seen it for my self. BOTH programs have come a long way. I saw Zip and Flash band members sharing a photo op near the arch with the game in the background. I saw a good turnout from the Cant student section (where were they in 2005?). I saw a great turnout by the Akron student section (remember i was 1 of 10 students in the old Zip Zone during a game coached by Faust) I saw the sections trading cheers. I saw Akron -v- Kent shirts. I saw a shirt that said your town, your team, your colors (screw tOSU??). I saw families/friends attending the game wearing jerseys and gear from both schools. I saw fans from both schools enjoying the game and the rivalry TOGETHER not segregated! This isn't the same OSU/UM crap we're all tired of, i will root for the Flashes against OSU, but probably won't wear their gear in the process (sorry cheap jab there). And to top it off, when i returned to work on Monday, my coworker who hates sports but attended KSU asked about the game 03-cool

The game truly felt like like the most important college football game in NE Ohio because it was. I fear there are some journalists and others (no team, side or person in particular) who are taking this all too personally or trying to build this into something personal (it isn't). I could be wrong. but the danger, as i see it, is what happened the same weekend at the NCA&T/NCCSU game (google it 03-razz). It becomes something other than a football game that the region can cherish as its own.

What i really liked and no-one is talking about.
-There were almost 22,000 butts in the seats. Acme Zip wasn't there to pass out a bunch of discounted tickets these were people who came to see Akron/Kent not a cheap/free event. (the "KSUcks" sign.... hillarious and appropriate as always! Much better than "Fear the Poo")
-I saw a lot of Akron gear, and some Kent Gear but little to no tOSU gear (again these are Akron and Kent FANS).
-I see both schools building fan bases and creating traditions. These are the actions will build long lasting fan bases.
-These are the same fans who will complain 01-lauramac2 about the lack of coverage by the hometown papers and ch5 cutting away :sylviaplath: from a fantastic finish (Zips were lucky on Sat, we were outplayed for most of the game by the Flashers).

03-old This means people are starting to care again PEOPLE! How cool is that!!!
This particular play did look blatantly cheap as did others including a very late hit to the back on Jarvis on a pass he did not catch. No sour grapes and not blaming their loss on it, just my observation and opinion.
There were plays like that from both teams. Like when Akron's QB was on his back after a play, a Kent player came and pushed him into the ground as he was getting back up. Jarvis just comes off as a bit whiny in this article.
Quote:"Even if it is true that Lively did not hear a whistle, he should not be excused for his actions. A whistle in college football is not meant to indicate a ball carrier is down. It simply means a play is over. Until the whistle blows, it is the players' responsibility to recognize when an opponent is down and to then act with restraint while that opponent is in a helpless position. Jarvis was in a helpless position."

I thought players were taught to play to the whistle.

-Dan
Playing to the whistle is one thing...trying to detach an opposing player's limb from his body is another.

Several members of the media saw the same thing and couldn't believe it. They even showed it in slow motion on the television; make no mistake--there was no denying that 93's intent was malicious.

For those Akron fans that consider this whining...it's not. Kent State lost the game. It had nothing to do with this play.

But, there is no room in sports for this type of behavior.
A couple of observations.

1. This is an opinion column on the athletic site of Kent State. What would one expect?

2. He could never have gotten this into print in the Wretched Courier.

3. The writer seems to be the public relations man for the team paying him to write this column.

4. Even if true, everyone gets screwed, including Akron, so man up and take it.

We've heard nothing but whining from this team...from the coach to the players and now the writer who covers them.

Move on and prepare for OU already.
ohiovarsity Wrote:Playing to the whistle is one thing...trying to detach an opposing player's limb from his body is another.

Tell that to Jack Lambert and he would laugh at you.

Where did he go to school?
Zip81 Wrote:Tell that to Jack Lambert and he would laugh at you.Where did he go to school?

Jack Lambert has nothing to do with this.

Again, it's not a point about playing physically or to the whistle. It's about playing outside the lines and doing something that could not only injure the player for the current game, but it could injure him for life.

I'm sorry you all see it differently--I guess it takes something happening to your players for you to understand.

I sure hope you never have to be on Jarvis' side of something like this. It's disgusting and does nothing but give your school and program a black eye.
Okay...here's the big question: Where's the You Tube video of this?

BTW...Dave Carducci is a pretty solid writer and member of the MAC News Media Association. He is a pretty upstanding guy and I put significant credence in what he says/reports. Just my two cents worth.
Zip81 Wrote:1. This is an opinion column on the athletic site of Kent State. What would one expect?

No, it's not on the athletic site of Kent State. Get your facts straight.

Zip81 Wrote:2. He could never have gotten this into print in the Wretched Courier.

If it went to print in Record Courier, you likely wouldn't have seen it.

Zip81 Wrote:3. The writer seems to be the public relations man for the team paying him to write this column.

Maybe Akron needs to pay writers to act as shills, but I'm pretty certain that Dave isn't on the KSU payroll.

Zip81 Wrote:4. Even if true, everyone gets screwed, including Akron, so man up and take it.

This isn't about getting screwed--that would be the non-fumble, etc. That stuff is part of the game. What isn't part of the game--at least for programs that respect themselves, is the dirty play we saw on Saturday. An Akron player tried to end the career of another player. You defend that?

Zip81 Wrote:We've heard nothing but whining from this team...from the coach to the players and now the writer who covers them.

Yeah, nothing like we heard after Akron's sorry schedule helped them get bypassed for an NCAA at-large bid. A roo talking about someone else whining...now that's funny.
HuronDave Wrote:Okay...here's the big question: Where's the You Tube video of this?

BTW...Dave Carducci is a pretty solid writer and member of the MAC News Media Association. He is a pretty upstanding guy and I put significant credence in what he says/reports. Just my two cents worth.

Two great comments HD, nice post. I too would love to see a replay of the whole game. I will admit, from the stands i did see a lot of late hits form BOTH sides..... i just couldn't get a feel if they were intentional or bone headed from the stands..... i really need to get a Walkman! That said my only object was that the story felt slanted against UA. Would have liked to seen more about bad plays by both sides even if he wanted to portray my ream as the bigger offender. AGAIN, nobody seems to care about what made this a great game and event.

Still, all-in-all a great game w/ great atmosphere both sides should be proud. Was this possibly the mAc game of the year??? I hope not and looking forward to more, just from the tube down Carolina way.... Also, the game reinforced my opinion that our two schools should work together and promote the game as a yearly event (brawl in the fall, battle for the summit, war on the Cuyahoga kinda kind of title shared and promoted by both sides).

81.... Lambert would be proud, but if true what about Taylor????
ohiovarsity Wrote:
Zip81 Wrote:1. This is an opinion column on the athletic site of Kent State. What would one expect?

No, it's not on the athletic site of Kent State. Get your facts straight.

Zip81 Wrote:2. He could never have gotten this into print in the Wretched Courier.

If it went to print in Record Courier, you likely wouldn't have seen it.

Zip81 Wrote:3. The writer seems to be the public relations man for the team paying him to write this column.

Maybe Akron needs to pay writers to act as shills, but I'm pretty certain that Dave isn't on the KSU payroll.

Zip81 Wrote:4. Even if true, everyone gets screwed, including Akron, so man up and take it.

This isn't about getting screwed--that would be the non-fumble, etc. That stuff is part of the game. What isn't part of the game--at least for programs that respect themselves, is the dirty play we saw on Saturday. An Akron player tried to end the career of another player. You defend that?

Zip81 Wrote:We've heard nothing but whining from this team...from the coach to the players and now the writer who covers them.

Yeah, nothing like we heard after Akron's sorry schedule helped them get bypassed for an NCAA at-large bid. A roo talking about someone else whining...now that's funny.

Three times in basketball...and now football.

04-rock
uakronkid Wrote:Jarvis just comes off as a bit whiny in this article.
Huh? Did you even read the article? I know Jarvis didn't write the article and unless I totally missed it I do not even see him quoted, his only involvement was having his leg almost snapped so you're WAY off.
HuronDave Wrote:Okay...here's the big question: Where's the You Tube video of this?

BTW...Dave Carducci is a pretty solid writer and member of the MAC News Media Association. He is a pretty upstanding guy and I put significant credence in what he says/reports. Just my two cents worth.

Dave Carducci, you are making this play sound bad but obviously it was not seen that way by those in attendance. A lot of action is missed at game speed and the Rubber Bowl does not have a video board to show a reply. Do you have a clip of the play in question? You might be right that the play was dirty but you are definitely anti-Akron. I am not going to take this at your word as most of your posts involving Akron are very negeative. If you have something to substantiate your claims, post it.
Weren't all of the personal fouls called enough? And that's just the ones they called.
zipsfan Wrote:
HuronDave Wrote:Okay...here's the big question: Where's the You Tube video of this?

BTW...Dave Carducci is a pretty solid writer and member of the MAC News Media Association. He is a pretty upstanding guy and I put significant credence in what he says/reports. Just my two cents worth.

Dave Carducci, you are making this play sound bad but obviously it was not seen that way by those in attendance. A lot of action is missed at game speed and the Rubber Bowl does not have a video board to show a reply. Do you have a clip of the play in question? You might be right that the play was dirty but you are definitely anti-Akron. I am not going to take this at your word as most of your posts involving Akron are very negeative. If you have something to substantiate your claims, post it.

Zipsfan...I'm not sure Dave reads this board, so I doubt you get a response from him.

We saw the play occur; there were several of us in the press box that were shocked at what we had just witnessed. You didn't hear about it after the game, because we had yet to see the replay.

After watching a tape of the game...and seeing that play in slow motion...that's when the questions were posed.

I'm not sure if there's a copy on YouTube.
I watched this from about 10 rows up on the Akron side of the field right in direct line of the play, then later after I got home I watched it again on DVR. The whistle hadn't blown, and Erics head was down and as far as he knew Jarvis was still up. So what he attempted to do was raise his feet and push down on the back of his knees to get him down, Nothing more or less and for those trying to make more out of this is just absolutely ridiculous!

This was nothing more then players playing hard, football players, basketball players, soccer players, all athletes are tranined and coached to play until the whistle is blown, that is what was done here! I think the officials handled it perfectly, they knew this was a rivalry game and they knew Jarvis was upset about something and thought Lively was doing something malicious, so they penalized both players to try and keep order. Good Job goes to the Officials for keeping a heated battle under control as best as they could!
You guys can go back and forth over it being a dirty play or not. The main point of the article insinuates Coach Brookhart promoting foul play because a player chose Kent over Akron. That is absolutely irresponsible B.S. writing. Quotes from the article...........

First Sentence
Quote:J.D. Brookhart had an opportunity to promote clean play within the heated rivalry, but instead the Akron coach chose to excuse what appeared to be an act of thuggery by Zips defensive lineman
03-drunk
Quote:Motive is strengthened by the story of Jarvis spurning Akron during the 2005 recruiting season. First, Jarvis committed to play for the Zips, then he changed his mind overnight and signed with KSU after deciding he did not want to sit out a year as a "gray-shirt."
Last Paragraph
Quote:Brookhart, remember, tried to bring Jarvis to Akron back in 2005. By not censuring Lively's attack on another player he recruited, the coach seems to be telling parents of future recruits he will take care of their sons as long as they choose Akron. And if they accept a scholarship to play at another school like Kent State, they better wear titanium-reinforced ankle braces when they play the Zips.

Serious accusation Flusheads.
azip Wrote:You guys can go back and forth over it being a dirty play or not. The main point of the article insinuates Coach Brookhart promoting foul play because a player chose Kent over Akron. That is absolutely irresponsible B.S. writing. Quotes from the article...........

First Sentence
Quote:J.D. Brookhart had an opportunity to promote clean play within the heated rivalry, but instead the Akron coach chose to excuse what appeared to be an act of thuggery by Zips defensive lineman
03-drunk
Quote:Motive is strengthened by the story of Jarvis spurning Akron during the 2005 recruiting season. First, Jarvis committed to play for the Zips, then he changed his mind overnight and signed with KSU after deciding he did not want to sit out a year as a "gray-shirt."
Last Paragraph
Quote:Brookhart, remember, tried to bring Jarvis to Akron back in 2005. By not censuring Lively's attack on another player he recruited, the coach seems to be telling parents of future recruits he will take care of their sons as long as they choose Akron. And if they accept a scholarship to play at another school like Kent State, they better wear titanium-reinforced ankle braces when they play the Zips.

Serious accusation Flusheads.



Get used to the Record Courier Dave...keep writing like that and it's all you're going to get.

How's the Dix retirement program?

enjoy!
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