This should be good, Stossel always does a good job especially with stuff like this. The cuban blogs are really trumpting this up, comes on tonight, follow the links and can see a preview of it.
the 'real cuba' is a good site to check out from time to time which Stossell mentions in preview clip. As a side note, the cuban blogs all seem pretty convinced Castro is dead and has been for awhile now, the cuban govt. is being party poopers for the miami cuban population.
recently Stossel has argued to allow Wisconsin to do the Socialized Medicine thing, even though he disagrees with it, because it will of course be a complete failure and will give the country a good look at what Socialized medicine really is, before we think about doing it on national level. he's becoming more of a pragmatic libertarian.
I don't believe that the US healthcare system is broken, but I think we all can agree that there are some aspects that could use a serious tune up (even if we don't agree on what those aspects are). The more that the various state experiment with different "solutions" the better off we all will be. See what works on the State levels, what unintended consequences follow the various reforms, and have some empirical evidence to go by instead of trying to impose a magic solution from Washington. Actually make use of the Repulic part of our country again.
And lest I be misunderstood, Michael Moore is a blowhard.
last weeks 20/20 was only about a 10 minute segment on this subject, this week Stossell is going one on one with Moore about Healthcare for the full show apparently. should be good
Darn, I'm drawing a blank on which Monty Python movie it was, but one of the characters played an obese man eating like a pig and barfing every few seconds. At the end of the meal after having consumed tons of food, the waiter asked "would you care for one wafer thin mint?" After some consternation the fellow says: "yes" eats the mint and proceeds to explode. The description doesn't do it justice, but it was very funny. Michael Moore reminds me of that character who ate the ton of food.
jh Wrote:I don't believe that the US healthcare system is broken
Some folks can't get insurance because of preexisting conditions and consequently lose everything they have due to medical bills...you don't think that's a broken system? (or maybe it's not broken so long as you're not in that situation)
Rebel
09-16-2007, 02:43 PM
Zipfanatik Wrote:Some folks can't get insurance because of preexisting conditions and consequently lose everything they have due to medical bills...you don't think that's a broken system? (or maybe it's not broken so long as you're not in that situation)
Would you bet 100K on a game with a person you knew was broke?
Zipfanatik Wrote:Some folks can't get insurance because of preexisting conditions and consequently lose everything they have due to medical bills...you don't think that's a broken system? (or maybe it's not broken so long as you're not in that situation)
Would you bet 100K on a game with a person you knew was broke?
Nice. Would you kick someone in the face that you knew was broke?
Rebel
09-16-2007, 06:09 PM
Zipfanatik Wrote:Nice. Would you kick someone in the face that you knew was broke?
How is that kicking some in the face? Insurance is a gamble. Tell me, if you pay 300 bucks every 6 months for car insurance, and after 2 years go out and have an at-fault accident that paralyzed a guy, costing the insurance company millions of dollars, do you think that's fair? Insurance is, and always has been, a gamble. It's also not your only alternative. You can always save up your own money to pay when you're hurt.....unless you think it's the government's responsibility then we're opening up a whole new can of worms. You see, Doctors don't spend 4 years in their undergrad studies, 4 years in medical school, which includes two years of clinicals and two years of class work, and more time on internship and residency to work for free. They want/need/deserve to be paid for the skill they acquired that many are either too lazy, too stupid, or just aren't interested in achieving. ...and since the government doesn't actually "make" money, except literally, they have to confiscate it from the citizens of this country. Yes, I said confiscate. I don't know you from Adam. If you ask me to help you, or anyone else asks me, from citizen to citizen, to help them, I'm more than willing. When you get the government to come at me in force and demand my wages for it, it's an entirely new ball game. I can lose my home, my job, my vehicle, and my freedom for refusing to pay the same taxes you want to confiscate to pay for national healthcare. ....and to me, that is unconstitutional as hell. What the hell, it's been ****** in the ass for years anyway, what's one more abuse, right?
Think I'm not compassionate? I give to charities with every paycheck. Difference is, it's voluntary and I don't feel like I just got pumped in the ass when it's taken. One of my favorite charities is in my sig. We're too damn compassionate a nation to have to get the government to confiscate our income at the point of a gun.
medical insurance has issues, our 'healthcare' is the best in the world. Dems/Socialist confuse the issue by referring to all the problems as 'healthcare'.......the annoying part is a big reason Insurance is so bad and cost so high is because of the Dems/Socialist #1 special interest group - Trial Lawyers
Rudy's idea for making health insurance more like car insurance and other insurance that you can buy from other states thus making them compete against each other, is a good idea economically.
When people get thrown under the bus because they have might have cancer or something and therefore are not profitable to insurance companies it means the system is broken. You can argue against government solutions if you want but you can't credibly say it's not a broken system. Here's an idea, how about if we phase out the socialist Ponzi-scheme social security system, let people save for their own retirement (rather than taking from younger generations) and use that money as a safety net for those that are truly unfortunate enough to have health problems. Also invest in preventative care so people don't develop chronic expensive conditions and clinics to keep people out of the ER's unless it's an emergency.
Rebel
09-17-2007, 03:21 PM
Zipfanatik Wrote:When people get thrown under the bus because they have might have cancer or something and therefore are not profitable to insurance companies it means the system is broken. You can argue against government solutions if you want but you can't credibly say it's not a broken system. Here's an idea, how about if we phase out the socialist Ponzi-scheme social security system, let people save for their own retirement (rather than taking from younger generations) and use that money as a safety net for those that are truly unfortunate enough to have health problems. Also invest in preventative care so people don't develop chronic expensive conditions and clinics to keep people out of the ER's unless it's an emergency.
Who says it's the government's job to take care of people? We don't need more regulation and we DAMN sure don't need the incompetent government taking it over. We need LESS regulation and allow the free market to bring prices down. What HITLERY said previously, and yes, I do believe that to be an accurate depiction of her, scares the living hell out of me. She's a f'n Socialist from hell. She would sell out this country for no other reason but political power.
Bush Wants Universal Health Coverage
2007-09-18 06:42am
President Bush would like to see some form of universal health coverage for all Americans before leaving office next year, a Cabinet official said Monday.
In an interview with the USA Today Editorial Board, Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said Mr. Bush likely will veto a measure working its way through Congress that will add $35 billion over five years to the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
But, Mr. Leavitt said, the president would "like to see the larger debate begin" regarding health care - an emerging issue in the next election.
"The very best opportunity we have may well be in the next 15 months," he said.
Mr. Bush's intentions come on the heels of a universal health care plan offered Monday by Democratic presidential contender Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York.
Her plan plan would mandate that large employers offer health insurance or contribute to a government-run insurance pool. Small businesses would receive tax credits to help them cover employees, USA Today reported.
Zipfanatik Wrote:Bush Wants Universal Health Coverage
2007-09-18 06:42am
President Bush would like to see some form of universal health coverage for all Americans before leaving office next year, a Cabinet official said Monday.
In an interview with the USA Today Editorial Board, Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt said Mr. Bush likely will veto a measure working its way through Congress that will add $35 billion over five years to the State Children's Health Insurance Program.
But, Mr. Leavitt said, the president would "like to see the larger debate begin" regarding health care - an emerging issue in the next election.
"The very best opportunity we have may well be in the next 15 months," he said.
Mr. Bush's intentions come on the heels of a universal health care plan offered Monday by Democratic presidential contender Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York.
Her plan plan would mandate that large employers offer health insurance or contribute to a government-run insurance pool. Small businesses would receive tax credits to help them cover employees, USA Today reported.
Canadian Liberal MP Belinda Stronach heads to USA for cancer treatment.......others without the funds have to rely on the excellent Canadian healthcare system.