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The thread takes you to the USA Today article. This is tied to the BTN faltering. It is a bone the B-10 is waving in front of the cable folks. The cable folks might want to see an actaul deal in the works. Syracuse and Rutgers are being mumbled.


http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/showthread...753&page=1
It will not be a MAC team because all MAC teams except Temple and Buffalo are in the Big 10 area of influence already. Syracuse and Rutgers sort of cover the same area as Buffalo and Temple and have better athletic programs. If it happens it could signal the collapse of the Big East or possibly cause the Big East to raid C-USA or the MAC. If an Eastern MAC team goes to the Big East the football schedule would be solved but basketball would be out of whack unless Temple decides to join in all sports. I'm all for it, personally. One MAC team gets to move on and the MAC gets it's scheduling worked out.
uakronkid Wrote:It will not be a MAC team because all MAC teams except Temple and Buffalo are in the Big 10 area of influence already.

Miami University almost joined the Big Ten back in the 70's. I'm sure many of their alumni are still kicking themselves over the big mistake it was to not push the issue further and join. Anyway, the point is that while it is not likely that a MAC team will get invited to the Big Ten, it could happen.
The biggest impediment to any MAC school joining the Big 10 is academics. None of the MAC schools, with the exception of Buffalo, come close to the conference's academic profile. All of the Big Ten members are major research universities.
DexterEagle Wrote:The biggest impediment to any MAC school joining the Big 10 is academics. None of the MAC schools, with the exception of Buffalo, come close to the conference's academic profile. All of the Big Ten members are major research universities.

That can cause a problem for a directional school, but many of the Ohio schools are research Universities. I remember hearing from UA's president that Akron is the biggest research university in Ohio in terms of funding, productivity, and research... even bigger than OSU (OSU has more students, but that's it). Toledo also comes to mind as a school like that. Kent, Miami, and Ohio are also, but to a lesser extent. The problem is that OSU will block any other Ohio school from joining because it threatens their monopoly on the state fanbase.
rocketfootball Wrote:
uakronkid Wrote:It will not be a MAC team because all MAC teams except Temple and Buffalo are in the Big 10 area of influence already.

Miami University almost joined the Big Ten back in the 70's. I'm sure many of their alumni are still kicking themselves over the big mistake it was to not push the issue further and join. Anyway, the point is that while it is not likely that a MAC team will get invited to the Big Ten, it could happen.

I question the idea that Miami was ever a candidate to join the Big Ten considering in those days the Big Ten for the most part would not even play the MAC........not to mention Miami played in a small time 14,000 seat stadium.

I think the Big Ten would be smartest to go with Rutgers.....they have all of their games for 2007 sold out.......they are ready to expand to the 80,000 seat level.

You can mix the divisions up in the Big Ten like what they did with the ACC so you don't have all the big schools playing in the same division.......

Rutgers
Penn State
Michigan State
Indiana
Illinios
Iowa

Ohio State
Michigan
Purdue
Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota

The Big East will be screwed......Louisville will look like idiots for build their football stadium up to 60,000 when its half full.
I would gather that the Big Ten would expand to make their network appeal to more people than just the midwest. UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, WVU to the Big Ten for 16 teams super conference of all sports and access to Big Ten bowls and TV network.

Louisville,and Memphis to the SEC for 14 teams for them.

ACC then adds UCF and USF for 14 teams for them.

MAC adds Cincinnati as 14th as Bearcats come back home

CUSA adds TCU and La Tech
What would probably make the most sense is.....

Rutgers--->Big Ten
Memphis-->Big East
FAU------>CUSA
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:I would gather that the Big Ten would expand to make their network appeal to more people than just the midwest. UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, WVU to the Big Ten for 16 teams super conference of all sports and access to Big Ten bowls and TV network.

Louisville,and Memphis to the SEC for 14 teams for them.

ACC then adds UCF and USF for 14 teams for them.

MAC adds Cincinnati as 14th as Bearcats come back home

CUSA adds TCU and La Tech

If you want to talk super conferences.....the ACC is most likely to need it as the football in that conference sucks outside of VT.

Rutgers--->Big Ten (12)
Notre Dame, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt--->ACC (16)
Memphis, Temple, Buffalo, UMass--->Big East (8)
FAU------>CUSA
WKU------>MAC

Big East would consist of then.....

Memphis
Louisville
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Buffalo
Temple
UMass
South Florida

Could it still be a BCS conference?
uakronkid Wrote:
DexterEagle Wrote:The biggest impediment to any MAC school joining the Big 10 is academics. None of the MAC schools, with the exception of Buffalo, come close to the conference's academic profile. All of the Big Ten members are major research universities.

That can cause a problem for a directional school, but many of the Ohio schools are research Universities. I remember hearing from UA's president that Akron is the biggest research university in Ohio in terms of funding, productivity, and research... even bigger than OSU (OSU has more students, but that's it). Toledo also comes to mind as a school like that. Kent, Miami, and Ohio are also, but to a lesser extent. The problem is that OSU will block any other Ohio school from joining because it threatens their monopoly on the state fanbase.
The research Universities in Michigan are: U of M, MSU, Wayne St., and WMU.
The Big 10 would like to expand its foot print while gaining a championship game. In this I see them going into the great state of West Virgina where also there is a nationally ranked, powerhouse...............Nope, not them...........Marshall03-lmfao

Seriously, I don't think they would take anyone that has never won a national championship in the modern era. Most likely all they really want is Notre Dame even if it is just in BB for starters.
Kit-Cat Wrote:
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:I would gather that the Big Ten would expand to make their network appeal to more people than just the midwest. UConn, Syracuse, Rutgers, Pitt, WVU to the Big Ten for 16 teams super conference of all sports and access to Big Ten bowls and TV network.

Louisville,and Memphis to the SEC for 14 teams for them.

ACC then adds UCF and USF for 14 teams for them.

MAC adds Cincinnati as 14th as Bearcats come back home

CUSA adds TCU and La Tech

If you want to talk super conferences.....the ACC is most likely to need it as the football in that conference sucks outside of VT.

Rutgers--->Big Ten (12)
Notre Dame, Syracuse, UConn, Pitt--->ACC (16)
Memphis, Temple, Buffalo, UMass--->Big East (8)
FAU------>CUSA
WKU------>MAC

Big East would consist of then.....

Memphis
Louisville
Cincinnati
West Virginia
Buffalo
Temple
UMass
South Florida

Could it still be a BCS conference?

The top TV markets schools that are a new geographically compatible fit with the Big Ten are:
#1)ND-national following
#2)Rutgers-NJ/NYC
#3)UConn-Hartford/New Haven/NYC
#4)BC-Boston
#5)Maryland-DC/Baltimore
#6)Colorado-Denver
#7)Missouri-St.Louis
#8)NC State-Raleigh/Durham
#9)Kansas-Kansas City
Missouri has been talked about as a candidate in the past. Fits in the geography nicely and brings the St. Louis market.

Syracuse could also be in the mix. Outside chance, Louisville... big time hoops and expanding football. Gives the B-10+1 a "Southen" member. Or, Pitt?
The Flash Wrote:Missouri has been talked about as a candidate in the past. Fits in the geography nicely and brings the St. Louis market.

Syracuse could also be in the mix. Outside chance, Louisville... big time hoops and expanding football. Gives the B-10+1 a "Southen" member. Or, Pitt?

Syracuse is a smaller TV market than Toledo.Which probably puts the Orangemen out of the mix.
Boca Rocket Wrote:
The Flash Wrote:Missouri has been talked about as a candidate in the past. Fits in the geography nicely and brings the St. Louis market.

Syracuse could also be in the mix. Outside chance, Louisville... big time hoops and expanding football. Gives the B-10+1 a "Southen" member. Or, Pitt?

Syracuse is a smaller TV market than Toledo.Which probably puts the Orangemen out of the mix.

Do the Orange draw in NYC? That would be the rationale if so.
uakronkid Wrote:
DexterEagle Wrote:The biggest impediment to any MAC school joining the Big 10 is academics. None of the MAC schools, with the exception of Buffalo, come close to the conference's academic profile. All of the Big Ten members are major research universities.

That can cause a problem for a directional school, but many of the Ohio schools are research Universities. I remember hearing from UA's president that Akron is the biggest research university in Ohio in terms of funding, productivity, and research... even bigger than OSU (OSU has more students, but that's it). Toledo also comes to mind as a school like that. Kent, Miami, and Ohio are also, but to a lesser extent. The problem is that OSU will block any other Ohio school from joining because it threatens their monopoly on the state fanbase.


Western Michigan is a research oriented university. Just don't have the state appropriations that our Big11 counterparts do. I don't know when Akron became the Harvard of NE Ohio, but I would take a hard look at all the Universities you just dismissed before making that kind of remark.
Temple is probably the biggest research university in the MAC.
Syracuse has a very large following in the NYC area, probably bigger than Rutgers. Although their football program has fallen on hard times their overall athletic program is stronger than Rutgers.
According to Phil Steele the B 10 football coaches want ND or no expansion.
If the Big 10 moves east the ACC will move north.
The BE football schools had better quickly decide if they want to be a few decent football schools in a basketball conference, or a BCS level all sports conference.
Not sure if this is an opportunity for the MAC, but with UMass once again seriously considering IA status there will be opportunities for MAC schools when the moving begins.
The problem with all of this is that outside of Boston College there is not any good football program in the East or NE. The ACC doesn't need to expand anymore. Syracuse has always been rumored to be headed to the Big11 but now that there football program has bottomed out I have no idea why they would go in that direction. I could see the Big Ten snaging a team from the Big 12 and them taking one from the MWC without having the dominos fall everywhere.
uakronkid Wrote:It will not be a MAC team because all MAC teams except Temple and Buffalo are in the Big 10 area of influence already. Syracuse and Rutgers sort of cover the same area as Buffalo and Temple and have better athletic programs. If it happens it could signal the collapse of the Big East or possibly cause the Big East to raid C-USA or the MAC. If an Eastern MAC team goes to the Big East the football schedule would be solved but basketball would be out of whack unless Temple decides to join in all sports. I'm all for it, personally. One MAC team gets to move on and the MAC gets it's scheduling worked out.

I dont see the BE coming to the Mac for any schools.. they would hit CUSA again..likely 1 to 3 of the following.. Memphis, ECU, and UCF.. so unless CUSA goes Mac shopping.. which I doubt.. I dont think the mac gets touched at all.
goodknightfl Wrote:
uakronkid Wrote:It will not be a MAC team because all MAC teams except Temple and Buffalo are in the Big 10 area of influence already. Syracuse and Rutgers sort of cover the same area as Buffalo and Temple and have better athletic programs. If it happens it could signal the collapse of the Big East or possibly cause the Big East to raid C-USA or the MAC. If an Eastern MAC team goes to the Big East the football schedule would be solved but basketball would be out of whack unless Temple decides to join in all sports. I'm all for it, personally. One MAC team gets to move on and the MAC gets it's scheduling worked out.

I dont see the BE coming to the Mac for any schools.. they would hit CUSA again..likely 1 to 3 of the following.. Memphis, ECU, and UCF.. so unless CUSA goes Mac shopping.. which I doubt.. I dont think the mac gets touched at all.

UCF is a good fit for the BE.A natural rivalry with USF,epicenter of Florida HS football recruiting,the 19th largest TV market in the country,and #1 tourism destination in US.Not many midwestern football fans are aware of the deal the Citrus Bowl is trying to finalize with ND.ND obviously recognizes the Orlando area's importance.
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