Interesting war of words there. Cubit is a by-the-book guy who leaves nothing ambiguous or left for interpretation, so I'd say Coach has the story right here. Either Maragos is lying, or (benefit of the doubt) he heard what he 'wanted' to hear last year and mixed up in his mind what Cubit said.
Anyhow, hope he does well at UW. But his last quote is interesting...
Quote:"I think being able to compete and play for the University of Wisconsin is such a great opportunity, that just wearing that uniform is enough, rather than being a starter. Just running out of a tunnel and being part of a program that’s highly respected, that’s something that makes it not a gamble for me."
At the beginning of the article, he's all concerned about starting and earning a scholarship. At the end of the article, he's more like, "Eh, just getting my face on national TV in a Big 10/11 uniform is enuff for me."
I hope he lives his dream of playing dress up for a Big11 team.
Fellas sound like Cubit's full of C#@&..... He started for you and contributed and was not put on scholarship? The real question is why wasn't he put on scholarlship in January? Cubit is going to "evaluate" during summer camp, -2- years on campus and Cubit doesn't know if the kid Maragos can play for him?
He wants the kid to risk $30K-35K to attend an out state university for his third year and hope that Cubit is not gong F*** him @ crunch time? Please....
This is an excellent reason not to walk - on to a school instead many players are better off attending a prep school or JC to earn a scholarship. Cubit was playing hard ball, feeling he had all the cards on his side of the table and the kid called his bluff and told him to punt. WMU lost a decent player that has contributed to their program and more importantly for them was going to contribute this fall.
Motown Bronco Wrote:....he heard what he 'wanted' to hear last year and mixed up in his mind what Cubit said.
I think this is most likely.
Considering who the Broncos have waiting in the wings at receiver, I wonder if he is doubting he'll see much PT down the road. If not going to play much, maybe he'd rather be on the bench at UW than WMU. Besides, he's a Wisconsin kid, right? Just like UM wannabes, some grow up dreaming of being on the local Big11 team.
HuskiesRule - the Broncos have plenty of talent at receiver. This won't hurt us much at all.
In any case, I wish him well.
It sounds more like there was a difference of opinion as to when the scholarship was to have been given. Player thought - at the end of spring ball. Coach thought - right as the start of the next season. I do know that more than 1 walk-on was notified "You are now on scholarship" just as the season was starting.
IMO, the kid did enough to have earned a schollie. Period, end of story. If you are good enough to start a majority of the games for an entire season, you have earned the scholarship. It really is an unfortunate situation.
MileHighBronco Wrote:[quote=Motown Bronco]
HuskiesRule - the Broncos have plenty of talent at receiver. This won't hurt us much at all.
In any case, I wish him well.
It would not surprise me WMU has plenty of talent. This may be what Cubit was thinking, so he could sandbag the kid. This is a business and Cubit (insert any head coach) is not paid to be a 'nice' guy or even to be honest in all his dealings. He is paid to win. All recruits should read and understand when you are dealing w/ these college coaches and especially Cubit he/they are not necessarily telling you the truth, but telling you what they feel you want to hear. The higher the level of football the bigger the bag of bull$hit.
Wait till all these hot shot freshmen get on campus this fall and the recruiting BS is over for them, what a shock their new world will be for them. As an ex-player noted on ESPN (scharleth /stink?) he had forgotten he had a first name when he had gone to college, he was called #71 for three years until he became a starter.
Well, this is the first I've heard that suggests that Cubit is not a straight shooter. Right now, it's just the kid's word against the coach. Might just have been a misunderstanding. Wouldn't be the first time it has happened on a college football team between a coach and player.
I have a hard time believing that a coach who puts such an emphasis on character and doing the right thing would risk sabotaging his own career by lying to a player or "sandbagging" him. These things have a way of coming back to bite you in the azz and Cubit has been around long enough to know that. Word gets around if that's your MO.
Anyway, it's water under the bridge. Just unfortunate IMO.
Quote:All recruits should read and understand when you are dealing w/ these college coaches and especially Cubit he/they are not necessarily telling you the truth, but telling you what they feel you want to hear.
It's obviously a case of he-said/he-said. No one knows what went on behind the closed doors, so it's hard to lay blame on either. But with Cubit's main platform of being the disciplinarian, "play by the rules" guy, I'm not too easily convinced Cubit went into Spring Ball trying to deliberately deceive players. Probably more of a misunderstanding by Maragos.
I was a little snarky about Maragos mainly because of the last quote, where he says that "just wearing that uniform is enough, rather than being a starter." I can understand transferring in order to find more PT and a great shot at a scholly, which appeared to be his main reasons for leaving WMU... so this quote seems counterintuitive to his whole argument.
If Southeast Missouri State offered him a scholarship tomorrow and tons of PT, would he forgo walking on at Wisconsin? It doesn't sound like it.
HuskiesRule73 Wrote:Fellas sound like Cubit's full of C#@&..... He started for you and contributed and was not put on scholarship?
What game did he start? We have a lot of good recievers, but I do not recall him. I would have to imagine most of his play time was in the 4th Q.
As for giving out scholarships, Cubit is a prince. He save 2 or 3 every year for walk-ons with a good attitude and work ethic. He does however have to be at least good enough to make the 2nd squad with potential for 1st.
westernwilly Wrote:HuskiesRule73 Wrote:Fellas sound like Cubit's full of C#@&..... He started for you and contributed and was not put on scholarship?
What game did he start? We have a lot of good recievers, but I do not recall him. I would have to imagine most of his play time was in the 4th Q.
As for giving out scholarships, Cubit is a prince. He save 2 or 3 every year for walk-ons with a good attitude and work ethic. He does however have to be at least good enough to make the 2nd squad with potential for 1st.
The article at the beginning of the thread stated that he started in 8 of Western's 13 games last year.
Ok, I looked it up. He was one of
4 WRs that started for the Broncos last year. We were very short of depth in that position and injuries opened the door for him to show his stuff and shine - he didn't. I remember him now and what I remember was frustration. He dropped nearly every pass. I still come down with torets when I think of those perfect, TD passes that he dropped.:banghead:FU%&*#AD
Here are the numbers that Western has posted for him:
-Started 8 of 13 games
-Indiana 2 receptions for 22 yrds.
-Toledo 1 reception for 11 yrds
-Temple 2 receptions for 15 yrds
- NIU 2 receptions for 34 yrds.
- Akron 2 receptions for 20 yrds.
- Total yardage = 102
This is not good, especially when you consider that we are a high yardage, passing team. Herb Martin only started in 5 games and he had 286 yrds.
Everyone else beat him out last year and our new crop of recievers comming on scholies are far better than what we had to choose from in 2006 (they are better on paper but they will need to prove themselves in DI-A play).
Maragos is a realist. He had his chance and did his best but couldn't make the cut. He sees even greater compitition comming in for his position and he is intelegent enough to know that his greatest days at WMU are behind him. Though he will never play at Wisconson, he will at least be able to tell his grandkids that he both started in D1-A football and was on a Big 10 team
.
I offer the best of luck to him and congradulate him on his 50yrd line, UW, season ticket - I hear they are hard to get.
In the atrical Maragos claims he had 25 receptions for 225 yards, WMU stats state 9 receptions for 102 yards. Who is telling the truth?
westernwilly Wrote:Ok, I looked it up. He was one of 4 WRs that started for the Broncos last year. We were very short of depth in that position and injuries opened the door for him to show his stuff and shine - he didn't. I remember him now and what I remember was frustration. He dropped nearly every pass. I still come down with torets when I think of those perfect, TD passes that he dropped.:banghead:FU%&*#AD
Here are the numbers that Western has posted for him:
-Started 8 of 13 games
-Indiana 2 receptions for 22 yrds.
-Toledo 1 reception for 11 yrds
-Temple 2 receptions for 15 yrds
- NIU 2 receptions for 34 yrds.
- Akron 2 receptions for 20 yrds.
- Total yardage = 102
This is not good, especially when you consider that we are a high yardage, passing team. Herb Martin only started in 5 games and he had 286 yrds.
Everyone else beat him out last year and our new crop of recievers comming on scholies are far better than what we had to choose from in 2006 (they are better on paper but they will need to prove themselves in DI-A play).
Maragos is a realist. He had his chance and did his best but couldn't make the cut. He sees even greater compitition comming in for his position and he is intelegent enough to know that his greatest days at WMU are behind him. Though he will never play at Wisconson, he will at least be able to tell his grandkids that he both started in D1-A football and was on a Big 10 team.
I offer the best of luck to him and congradulate him on his 50yrd line, UW, season ticket - I hear they are hard to get.
Willy - you are probably correct in that his play time would not have been as significant this year compared to last year. He did not have the speed of a Herb Martin.
What you don't need to do is disparage the kid just because you are a Cubit fan. Actually, I'm also a Cubit fan.
Your statements about "dropping nearly every pass" or "TD passes that he dropped" lets me know that you really don't know what you are talking about. Dropping passes wasn't his MO....did he drop a couple during the course of the year - Yes, but I could count on one hand the number of drops for the year and they weren't TD drops.
There was obviously a miscommunication of things between the player and coach. Why don't you just leave it at that & skip the other Bullsh!t.
westernwilly Wrote:In the atrical Maragos claims he had 25 receptions for 225 yards, WMU stats state 9 receptions for 102 yards. Who is telling the truth?
Are you reading the same article as everyone else? I didn't see anything about him listing his stats. The article gave those numbers, but not as a quote. Pay attention.
hey, it's the kids choice. If he feels better about running out of the tunnel at Camp Randall instead of Waldo, it's his choice. I appreciate the time he put in to the WMU program and wish him well at Wisconsin.
H2Oville Rocket Wrote:westernwilly Wrote:In the atrical Maragos claims he had 25 receptions for 225 yards, WMU stats state 9 receptions for 102 yards. Who is telling the truth?
Are you reading the same article as everyone else? I didn't see anything about him listing his stats. The article gave those numbers, but not as a quote. Pay attention.
Rocket:
RECEIVING GP No. Yds Avg TD Long Avg/G
MARAGOS, Chris 13 25 222 8.9 0 23 17.1
Copied from WMU stats page.
If Jordon White didnt injure his knee in training camp last season, Maragos wouldnt have even played. Thanks for your time here Chris.
Willy - you are probably correct in that his play time would not have been as significant this year compared to last year. He did not have the speed of a Herb Martin.
What you don't need to do is disparage the kid just because you are a Cubit fan. Actually, I'm also a Cubit fan.
Your statements about "dropping nearly every pass" or "TD passes that he dropped" lets me know that you really don't know what you are talking about. Dropping passes wasn't his MO....did he drop a couple during the course of the year - Yes, but I could count on one hand the number of drops for the year and they weren't TD drops.
There was obviously a miscommunication of things between the player and coach. Why don't you just leave it at that & skip the other Bullsh!t.
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Crebman;
Ok, I got defensive over the attacks on Cubit's charactor and in the process I got a little mean.
The numbers I got are from WMU's 2006 Roster&Bio individual's stats. It now seems that they are not up to date.
As for the dropped passes, including the TD pass, I still believe this to be true. Ryan had a lot of truble connecting early in the season and it was not his throwing. If it was not Maragos that was dropping passes, then who? And if he had such good hands, why did he play so many games yet his numbers are so much lower than the other recievers? This is not a flame, you seem to have some inside info and can offer some clarification.
Willy:
No inside info - just that I saw every game. He did have a drop that hurt against OU. & maybe a couple more during the season. IMO, Maragos' problem wasn't dropping passes, it was getting open on a consistent basis. Like I said earlier, he was more a possession type receiver & not a deep threat. His playing time decreased as Herb Martin's time increased.
Look, this is a kid that walked on and for whatever reason (injuries, inexperience, depth, etc.) was able to play significant minutes during the 2006 season. I would say that he "contributed" to WMU's success last year ON THE FIELD. That's all.
As some have speculated, maybe he saw less PT coming for his future at WMU and decided that "If I'm going to be a walk-on & not see much field time, I can do that cheaper in my home state & stand on the sideline in a Wisconsin uniform just as easily as a WMU uniform."
Let's just say that he filled a gap on WMU's team at a time of inexperience, injury, and depth issues at receiver.