Saw this article in your local rag. Seems that you've falsified attendance numbers pretty dramatically since you got your stadium approved. Reporting attendance in excess of 160% of actual attendance?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/or...layout#ucf
If I reported my income as 160% more than it actually was to get a mortgage, I'd get sued for fraud. Nice to see that UCF's ethics have declined to match those of it's head coach.
See you this year when ECU whips your ass.
Pyrate
Great first-time post. Glad to see UCF direclty affects what you do throughout the day and what sites you register for. I can't say the same about ECU.
You posted a valid link so it merits a valid response.
UCF used an attendance formula approved by the NCAA (the same that many of you use) which includes paid tickets, actual students (swipes of IDs, not approximations) and then general groups like staff, band, cheerleaders etc.
If anyone needs further proof of this, simply look at the numbers for either a game you attended in Orlando or a game like Southern Miss that was on tv.
The numbers may stick out a little for UCF in that we used a more conservative system in the past. While I'm sure it didn't keep us out of the Big East 3 years ago on its own, it definitely didn't help. Therefore, I'm glad to see UCF using a more generous system, so long as it is approved by the NCAA.
Ok, lets have some guesses on who Pyrate_Citizen is:
I say Hummell. Agree? or give your own guess.
st932253 Wrote:Great first-time post. Glad to see UCF direclty affects what you do throughout the day and what sites you register for. I can't say the same about ECU.
I didn't realize that this board was a UCF Knight board. Oh wait, because it's not.
Quote:UCF used an attendance formula approved by the NCAA (the same that many of you use) which includes paid tickets, actual students (swipes of IDs, not approximations) and then general groups like staff, band, cheerleaders etc.
Do you happen to have evidence that this was the way it was done as opposed to seasons past? Not that I'm doubting you (you seem like a halfway decent fellow) but it's hard to take the word of anybody from UCF when they just up and decide to (according to you at least) change accounting methodology out of the blue.
It had been a argument in O'town for a long time... UCF used to count backsides... and then always was talked down on attendence by other schools..esp USF.. which already counted the way we do now.. most... count using the method we do..
goodknightfl Wrote:It had been a argument in O'town for a long time... UCF used to count backsides... and then always was talked down on attendence by other schools..esp USF.. which already counted the way we do now.. most... count using the method we do..
Fair enough. It's curious, though, that UCF decided to create the illusion of increasing attendance at the same time they were trying to drive season ticket purchases for your new stadium.
Basically, the whole situation gives you the appearance of lying when it was convenient and necessary to fleece your supporters into buying more tickets. You know, creating false demand for a product that's not as popular as it's being touted.
wow...that is funny. About 200 fans showed up to watch ECU and UCF play hoops at ECU but the announced crowd was 4,000. There were several other games that had the same numbers...please.
Pyrate_Citizen Wrote:goodknightfl Wrote:It had been a argument in O'town for a long time... UCF used to count backsides... and then always was talked down on attendence by other schools..esp USF.. which already counted the way we do now.. most... count using the method we do..
Fair enough. It's curious, though, that UCF decided to create the illusion of increasing attendance at the same time they were trying to drive season ticket purchases for your new stadium.
Basically, the whole situation gives you the appearance of lying when it was convenient and necessary to fleece your supporters into buying more tickets. You know, creating false demand for a product that's not as popular as it's being touted.
It's not creating a false demand. We switched after Orsini left and Tribble came in. We're finally using the same method that the vast majority of schools use. Yours probably uses it too. The demand for season tickets is solely due to finally being on campus. Before we had to drive 30 minutes on toll roads to play in the ghetto. Now people just have to drive 5 minutes since most people live next to campus. It's new, its nice, and its close by. That's the reason for the increase in sales.
Wow, look........another reject ECU fan.
Quite a fan base they have.
PS- Your idiot AD have anymore grand begging or expansion schemes?
Out of the six or so responses from UCF fans to me, two actually made half an effort to explain the disparity, and the remainder lashed out at me for asking the question. Interesting. To those who DID make the effort, thank you. Your responses helped put the story in a bit of context.
Now that the truth has come out, few UCF fans want to hear it. Rather, they'd just as soon deflect the subject matter to ECU basketball attendance than to deal with issues of deceit in their own house.
Oh, and, for the record, I've never claimed that ECU counts attendance for any of our sports any differently. For years (including years covered in that Sentinel article), UCF has. It was a badge of honor of sorts for your fan base to think that you were somehow ethically above the rest of the NCAA who have done it the accepted way for decades.
And now your house of cards is tumbled when you realize that you've done it too. Carry on.
Pyrate_Citizen Wrote:Out of the six or so responses from UCF fans to me, two actually made half an effort to explain the disparity, and the remainder lashed out at me for asking the question. Interesting. To those who DID make the effort, thank you. Your responses helped put the story in a bit of context.
Now that the truth has come out, few UCF fans want to hear it. Rather, they'd just as soon deflect the subject matter to ECU basketball attendance than to deal with issues of deceit in their own house.
Oh, and, for the record, I've never claimed that ECU counts attendance for any of our sports any differently. For years (including years covered in that Sentinel article), UCF has. It was a badge of honor of sorts for your fan base to think that you were somehow ethically above the rest of the NCAA who have done it the accepted way for decades.
And now your house of cards is tumbled when you realize that you've done it too. Carry on.
you think maybe some UCF fans got a bit defensive when your first post on this board is to take a shot at our school...and then to close your post with something to the effect of "see you this fall when we whip your ass"? Cry all you want and try to create something out of nothing...we have record season ticket sales going on for our new on campus stadium...things are good down in Orlando...now we just need to see that carry-over to the football field this fall.
Hmmm...if Orsini truly was the brain behind UCF's "butts-in-seats" method of counting attendance, it could explain why our basketball attendance figures dropped so rapidly between 05-06 and 06-07. He might be implementing that system here as well.
Pyrate_Citizen Wrote:If I reported my income as 160% more than it actually was to get a mortgage, I'd get sued for fraud.
Pyrate
As an underwriter in the mortage business for almost a decade, no you wouldn't. If you can't prove the income, you don't get the loan. If you have great credit and you don't have to prove the income, then as long as you pay your loan, you we don't pursue foreclosure. Ah, the truths of false analogy.
If you drank a cup of
STFU, we would all be happier though. What's good for UCF revenue is good for CUSA.
Meanwhile, UCF revenue keeps growing and growing and growing and growing
CalallenStang Wrote:Orsini
The shine will be gone from that penny soon enough.
BlackandGoldNation Wrote:CalallenStang Wrote:Orsini
The shine will be gone from that penny soon enough.
What exactly do you mean?
Even though the original post was harsh, this is a good point.
Those are dramatic exaggerations in the numbers and a terrible representation for C-USA. USF has been caught doing the same thing. Expect Cincy to not be too far behind.
If the numbers are off a couple thousand, fine, nobody would know, but 10,000+!!!
Topcard91 Wrote:Even though the original post was harsh, this is a good point.
Those are dramatic exaggerations in the numbers and a terrible representation for C-USA. USF has been caught doing the same thing. Expect Cincy to not be too far behind.
If the numbers are off a couple thousand, fine, nobody would know, but 10,000+!!!
You did read where the article pointed out that UCF was using an approved NCAA attendance-count method right? I also question the accuracy of the turnstile audit...no way were our butts in seats counts as low as they are reporting. In the end, what does it really matter...we're moving on campus this season and our season ticket sales are already at an all-time high. Bet we don't have a problem with butts in seats this year...unless we pull another 0-fer!!
However misleading it may be, it is what many schools due in many other conferences. Anytime you can report tickets sold or include it, it is not accurate representation of fans in the stands. But since some schools in the past campaigned the NCAA to be able to add that and other things into the Attendance number, it has been and will continue to be somewhat misleading.
Do you honestly think Duke, Baylor, Miss State, etc accurately report fans in the stands.
I've seen some CUSA home games featuring low attendance, and I've seen UCF. Every single game looked exactly like what was reported. When the lower bowl is almost full and upper stands were open, it meant just less than 50K (as reported for USF).
If you idiot ECU fans wanna complain, I invite you to take in a game at our new stadium. If you get a ticket, I assure you we'll have some of the biggest (if not THE BIGGEST) crowds in the conference.