With USC losing this is is the national championship game. Ohio State has two road games at Illinois and at Northwestern going into the big one, they are road games but OSU isnt going to lose either of those games (even though Illinois is proving to be a pretty feisty team) Michigan has Ball State and at Indiana, they arent going to lose either of those games either.
This game is huge. I guess my question is do you think it is possible that these teams will rematch in the Fiesta bowl? Without USC in the picture these teams BCS numbers are going to be several points higher than whoever is going to be third (I would assume WVU).
I think this would become an even greater possibility if Louisville beats WVU. Louisville still has a couple of tough road games against Rutgers and Pitt, so even if they upset WVU they arent guaranteed going undefeated.
If there is an Ohio State Michigan rematch for the National Championship it would be one of the most anticipated games of all time.
The SEC is great but I have to agree with what Tommy Tuberville, said a couple weeks ago, it is too tough, for its own good, they beat each other up too much to get a team into the championship.
Gosh I love college football.
yeah, lou holtz was talking about this, i think. or maybe it was mark may. either way, they were saying the loser could possibly be jumped by an undefeated big east team (like you saaid, louisville), a 1 loss USC team, and there was another team that i can't remember.
Terpy Wrote:WVU
oh, right.
I think it would be a great story if Michigan loses at Ohio State then gets a rematch in the Championship game and whips them at a neutral site. Especially with all the talk of Lloyd Carr being on the hot seat at the beginning of the season.
I really hate Michigan but I think that would be great, just because Michigan fans would be bitching about him losing to Ohio State and then he would just sock it to em by winning a Natty.
But then again I really think Ohio State is the superior team and will probably roll whoever they play.
No way, no how, will they rematch. Harris/Coach's Poll is about 75% of the BCS. Whoever loses will plummet too far to recover.
Lets assume a scenario where all the contenders other than Ohio State have one loss at the end of the season. IMO a 1 loss Michigan team (the loss being at Ohio State) is going to be ranked higher than a 1 loss USC team. The big east teams dont have a high enough BCS number if they both lose another game. It seems to me that the only teams that would have a chance would be whoever comes out of the SEC. Losing to Ohio State (especially if it is close) is not going to hurt Michigan that much.
These are clearly the two best teams in the country regardless of what happens on November 18th, IMO.
The SEC is the wild card, but I really think they are going to cancel each other out.
Also, USC still has 3 very tough games left, all at home, but tough none the less.
Terpy Wrote:Lets assume a scenario where all the contenders other than Ohio State have one loss at the end of the season. IMO a 1 loss Michigan team (the loss being at Ohio State) is going to be ranked higher than a 1 loss USC team. The big east teams dont have a high enough BCS number if they both lose another game. It seems to me that the only teams that would have a chance would be whoever comes out of the SEC. Losing to Ohio State (especially if it is close) is not going to hurt Michigan that much.
These are clearly the two best teams in the country regardless of what happens on November 18th, IMO.
The SEC is the wild card, but I really think they are going to cancel each other out.
I think there's a truckload of 1-loss teams who are much more worthy than any team out of the Big East that's undefeated. The S.O.S. in that conference is deplorable.
That is my point, but WVU is good, if they win out I think they might get in. A win over Louisville would give their BCS number quite a boost.
georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:I think there's a truckload of 1-loss teams who are much more worthy than any team out of the Big East that's undefeated. The S.O.S. in that conference is deplorable.
Hmmm... seems weird that the SOS is so bad when the overall conference is rated 3rd best (pretty much all the computer polls, the BCS average, etc.).
I'm a big Buckeye fan, but this year they will only play 2 real teams (Texas and Michigan). Michigan only played Notre Dame and will play OSU, not exactly a tough schedule.
If WVU or Louisville get screwed out of a championship game appearance (assuming that one of them go undefeated) then it is time to blow up the whole BCS for good. It should have been removed years ago for a playoff system (especially after the whole Auburn screw job/Oklahoma embarassment), but if an undefeated team comes out of the Big East and gets skipped over for a 1 loss team from another conference then the system would have failed once again.
Oh, by the way, I wonder if the ACC is getting concerned about their BCS auto-bid, right now they have nobody in the top 15. If I remember correctly, if your conference doesn't have a 4 year average in the top 12 then your bid comes up for review...
I for one, wont be outraged if an undefeated Louisville or WVU team gets passed over in the Championship game. What happens if they do get picked over and then end up getting smoked by an SEC team in the Orange Bowl?
Even if they do get passed over for the Fiesta bowl, they still have a shot at a split championship if they win their BCS game, so its not like they would be completely screwed.
My scenario would be if Michigan wins in a squeaker (i.e. last second field) over The Ohio State. Would OSU really drop far? I could actually see the pollsters dropping them to #2 or #3 (remember Oklahoma a few years ago) and still going to the BCS Championship game against Michigan.
Either way, BCS #1 vs. BCS #2 will take place on November 18, which is the BCS title game.
I think Ohio State has a lot more to lose in that game than Michigan does. For one, they are the home team. Their SOS may be slightly higher than Michigan's (Im really not sure) but I could see them dropping to 4 or 5 if they lose whereas Michigan losing may not drop them at all. That is just how I see it, but I could be wrong. It really depends a lot on what happens with USC, WVU, Louisville, and the crazy ass SEC between now and November 18th. It is going to be interesting. And yeah, I was thinking the same way about Oklahoma a couple years back.
On another note, I actually like the BCS formula, I think it does a good job at ranking the teams and it would be vital to keep around if there ever is a playoff.
Terpy Wrote:I for one, wont be outraged if an undefeated Louisville or WVU team gets passed over in the Championship game. What happens if they do get picked over and then end up getting smoked by an SEC team in the Orange Bowl?
Even if they do get passed over for the Fiesta bowl, they still have a shot at a split championship if they win their BCS game, so its not like they would be completely screwed.
Get smoked in the Orange Bowl like WVU got smoked last year in the Sugar Bowl? Oh wait, I forgot, the Mountaineers went into the Georgia Dome of all places and beat the SEC champion in what was basically a home game for them. Give me a break, the Big East has proven they are for real.
You just don't like the fact that the ACC's expansion plans have blown up in their face. Miami is as bad as they have been in 10 years, both in terms of how good they are and in terms of thugging it up. VT is not at the level that you guys thought they would be either. F$U is terrible. Clemson choked like they always do. Duke is quite possibly the worst football team in D1A. Wake is a pleasant surprise but they haven't played anybody all year. UNC sucks ass. GT is doing about what was expected, and Maryland got their asses handed to them by West Virginia.
I'll say it again, if an undefeated WVU or Louisville gets passed over for a 1 loss team then the BCS will have proven just how bad it is.
Terpy Wrote:On another note, I actually like the BCS formula, I think it does a good job at ranking the teams and it would be vital to keep around if there ever is a playoff.
The problem with the BCS formula is that it uses a poll that comes out in July. No voting should be done until October 1st in terms of polls.
Terpy Wrote:The SEC is great but I have to agree with what Tommy Tuberville, said a couple weeks ago, it is too tough, for its own good, they beat each other up too much to get a team into the championship.
I don't think I've ever seen it this bad. They are damn good, but geez, there are too many that ARE damn good. How the hell would Rutgers be doing right now if they were in the SEC?
The Big House is a terrible stadium... it needs to be updated.