I have done an about face on my belief as to why we invaded Iraq and why we are threatening the same with Iran. It's not about Nukes or WMD's, and only partially about oil. It is more about the power of the American Dollar.
Anybody want to explore this further?
I think that's a fair assessment for why we've meddled in a lot of places, particularly in the Middle East.
Ah yes the almighty American Dollar. china after Iran? or do they invade us. anything dealing with china and war is gonna be a total disaster for us.
Tulsaman Wrote:Ah yes the almighty American Dollar. china after Iran? or do they invade us. anything dealing with china and war is gonna be a total disaster for us.
Why would we invade China?
You guys are just being silly!
Here I will start, and you guys can start filling in the blanks.
First of all, if our sole issue with Iran was Nuclear capability, don't you think we would do something with Crazy Man in North Korea first?
Second...What comodity(sp?) can only be purshased with American Dollars?
Now, your turn.
GrayBeard Wrote:Tulsaman Wrote:Ah yes the almighty American Dollar. china after Iran? or do they invade us. anything dealing with china and war is gonna be a total disaster for us.
Why would we invade China?
because they declare war on Tiwian or however teh hell you spell it.
GrayBeard Wrote:s.
First of all, if our sole issue with Iran was Nuclear capability, don't you think we would do something with Crazy Man in North Korea first?
Well, I will play Devil's advocate here.
It's too late to do something with Crazy Man in North Korea. He already has the capability to use nuclear weapons. The time to stop him would have been before he had that capability, but our then President backed off and let him go with a promise not to make Nukes. They made them anyway, and now we have to deal with an armed country.
Iran-2006 is like NKorea-1994 - stop them now, or forget it.
So who do you take on - the one with the loaded gun or the one building a gun?
Personally, if I have to choose between NKorea and Iran having nukes, I would choose NKorea. Why? Because they aren't followers of the "Religion of Peace".
But that is not the choice. The choice is between NKorea and Iran, or just NKorea.
I fail to see how Iran having nukes is better for the USA or the world.
That ought to be enough for you to work with.
OptimisticOwl Wrote:I fail to see how Iran having nukes is better for the USA or the world.
It's not, but IMO that is not the root of the problem. It is much deeper and dire for the US.
Hint, question 2 is also important.
Another question...What backs the American Dollar?
American Dollars are back by faith and fiath alone. Its Fiat Money. ;-)
Well, I guess it is time to stop playing Twenty Questions. Tie it together and make your point.
OptimisticOwl Wrote:Well, I guess it is time to stop playing Twenty Questions. Tie it together and make your point.
No, it's more fun to play it this way, and it makes people do a little research.
What was the first thing that Bush did after taking over Iraq?
GrayBeard Wrote:OptimisticOwl Wrote:Well, I guess it is time to stop playing Twenty Questions. Tie it together and make your point.
No, it's more fun to play it this way, and it makes people do a little research.
What was the first thing that Bush did after taking over Iraq?
Declare that major fighting was over. lmfao
what is this UN?
lmfao
Piss em off?
GrayBeard Wrote:OptimisticOwl Wrote:Well, I guess it is time to stop playing Twenty Questions. Tie it together and make your point.
No, it's more fun to play it this way, and it makes people do a little research.
What was the first thing that Bush did after taking over Iraq?
He secured the oil.
Another thing that alledgedly backs the US dollar is gold (which, btw is at a 30 year high at the moment).
Why does Iran have nukes? Because Israel has them. Iran won't be able to reach the US with their nukes, but they will be able to reach Israel.
Sophandros Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:OptimisticOwl Wrote:Well, I guess it is time to stop playing Twenty Questions. Tie it together and make your point.
No, it's more fun to play it this way, and it makes people do a little research.
What was the first thing that Bush did after taking over Iraq?
He secured the oil.
Another thing that alledgedly backs the US dollar is gold (which, btw is at a 30 year high at the moment).
Why does Iran have nukes? Because Israel has them. Iran won't be able to reach the US with their nukes, but they will be able to reach Israel.
Gold does not back the American Dollar anymore. It did years ago, but not now.
Allright, I see you guys are getting bored with this, so I will make it easier for you.
Iraq--Oil for Food
Iran--Oil Bourse
Try and see if you can find the common link?
GrayBeard Wrote:Iraq--Oil for Food
Iran--Oil Bourse
Try and see if you can find the common link?
They are both ways in which to purchase oil field capacity without specifying the amount in United States Dollars. Your thought is actually somewhat common outside of the United States. However, I have yet to see any convincing evidence as to why the United States would care if oil is purchased by the Dollar, the Euro, or the bushel.
We wouldn't engage in hostilities for the strength of the currency, since we recently played hardball with China pretty much specifically so we could weaken our currency. Purchasing oil with dollars doesn't yield the United States more control (as far as I can tell, no self-destruct or spying mechanisms exist on the dollar), and oil companies don't get much more stability, since they can always hedge with Euro options or futures.
Switching away from the dollar did not cause the war. Poor relations with the United States caused the switch away from the dollar AND the war.
rice09 Wrote:GrayBeard Wrote:Iraq--Oil for Food
Iran--Oil Bourse
Try and see if you can find the common link?
They are both ways in which to purchase oil field capacity without specifying the amount in United States Dollars. Your thought is actually somewhat common outside of the United States. However, I have yet to see any convincing evidence as to why the United States would care if oil is purchased by the Dollar, the Euro, or the bushel.
We wouldn't engage in hostilities for the strength of the currency, since we recently played hardball with China pretty much specifically so we could weaken our currency. Purchasing oil with dollars doesn't yield the United States more control (as far as I can tell, no self-destruct or spying mechanisms exist on the dollar), and oil companies don't get much more stability, since they can always hedge with Euro options or futures.
Switching away from the dollar did not cause the war. Poor relations with the United States caused the switch away from the dollar AND the war.
All oil is purchased with US $$$, so all nations keep US $$ in reserve to purchase said oil. This stabilzes the currency. If the $$$ no longer is the standard for the purchase of oil, and these nations dump their American cash in favor of the Euro, suddenly the American $$ quickly is devalued.
