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Check out this post from <a href="http://floridastate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1079&tid=6688967&sid=&style=2" target="_blank">Warchat.com:</a> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This league has brought FSU down like most don't want to admit. We now are a team who gives up 25+ pts a game and plays like wimps. That is what ACC teams are about. Whether you like it or not, this league gets ZERO respect and perception of Majority is often more correct than minority--ACC fans. Everyone knows this league stinks, but hey, the Basketball money is great. Scary to think what happens when Bobby leaves. I hate this league and what it has done. We have dropped to their level and nobody raised up. For God's sake, we would have won league last year if not for NC State loss and we sucked.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is this the general consensus of FSU fans?

-JD
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by JD Heel:
Check out this post from <a href="http://floridastate.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1079&tid=6688967&sid=&style=2" target="_blank">Warchat.com:</a> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">This league has brought FSU down like most don't want to admit. We now are a team who gives up 25+ pts a game and plays like wimps. That is what ACC teams are about. Whether you like it or not, this league gets ZERO respect and perception of Majority is often more correct than minority--ACC fans. Everyone knows this league stinks, but hey, the Basketball money is great. Scary to think what happens when Bobby leaves. I hate this league and what it has done. We have dropped to their level and nobody raised up. For God's sake, we would have won league last year if not for NC State loss and we sucked.
</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Is this the general consensus of FSU fans?

-JD</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">No, no, and no again. I don't know where these babies are coming from. I'm also a premium member of Warchant.com and was shocked to see the Noles whinning BIG time over there.

I wanted to stay independent, but as ya'll know FSU can't play basketball very well (and how we beat Duke last year was absolutely amazing) and the ACC is the BEST in that sport. I've watched Clemson, Georgia Tech in football for many eons and as far as this Nole is concerned, I am Very Proud to be a member of the ACC in all sports.

Guess that poster also forgot that we lost to North Carolina too. This poster sees that the rest of the ACC is doing an awesome job at competing for a chance at the NC.

Go ACC Teams!!! <img border="0" alt="[Cheers]" title="" src="graemlins/cheers.gif" />
MsNole: I hope there are a lot more FSU fans out there like you!

-JD
JD...the Nole fans have to realize that they are no longer head and above the ACC!! I saw the same problems last night that they had last year with the same players!! I see another 4 loss year for the Noles at best!!
</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by NCGatorBait:
JD...the Nole fans have to realize that they are no longer head and above the ACC!! I saw the same problems last night that they had last year with the same players!! I see another 4 loss year for the Noles at best!!</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, Gator, the Noles play a 13-season regular game and IF we do happen to lose those 4 games again, the Noles will at least be 10-4!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" />

Of course, the Gates won't beat us cause the game is being played at our place this year and if Spurrier couldn't win there, Zook won't either!!!
Ms Nole...that would be 9-4 for a 13 game season..not 10-4..also F$U was in their prime those years...After last night, and heck last season, can you honestly tell me you have the same swagger as those teams..I think not...The DB's looked like last year..horrible...Rivers,Ragone, Dorsey, and Rex will eat that secondary up!! Also the DE's are nowhere near what they used to be in that time frame!! Take of the garnet and gold glasses off and look around...12-0,10-2,8-4..you're program is in decline and Bobby will be leaving as soon as he can get the record!!
NCGB:
If you'd read carefully (granted not your strong suit, as the near-illiteracy of your spelling proves) you'll notice MsNole said REGULAR SEASON. 4 losses will still give us 10 wins, because (like it or not) even 4 regular season losses put us IN A BOWL.

Dear heavens, even a Gator fan ought to be able to figure that much out.
4 loses makes you 9-4 for the regular season...13 games...Don't ASSume you will win the bowl game...but you would be right IF you win that..but since, as you just stated she is talking about the REGULAR season...that would be 9 wins..Geeze what kind of math do they teach you in Tallahassee?????
Oh, and as far as the ACC bringing us down goes, if memory serves we've won two National Championships and played for 3 more since joining the league. (Which, incidentally, is double the number of National Championships won, and almost triple the number of championships played for, by UF.) What we called a disaster last year would be cause for contract extension at most schools, as the announcers last night pointed out.
NCGB, here's the math we learn in Tally:

TWO National Championships is more than ONE national championships.

ONE perfect wire-to-wire season is more than ZERO perfect wire to wire seasons.

Any questions?
Doc..I whole heartedly agree with that statement..same with the GatorNation...we are both spoiled..that is a fact..I didn't come here to flame F$U...just give my opinion..thats all!!
Doc....27-17-2...does that math mean anything??

27 wins for UF
17 wins for F$U
15- 12- 1 -- the record of the current FSU head coach against the boys in blue. Does THAT math mean anything to you? If not, try these numbers on:

2 -- number of chances to beat its archrival UF that FSU had during its TWO National Championship seasons

2 -- number of chances UF had to beat its archrival FSU during its ONE N.Champ season

2 -- number of times FSU beat UF during its TWO National Championship seasons

1 -- number of times (out of TWO) that UF beat FSU during its ONE N.Champ season

Thus endeth the lesson!
1 -- number of times (out of TWO) that UF beat FSU during its ONE N.Champ season

Once again..lets get facts right...We beat you in Jan97 for the NC52-20LOL..and then in the very next meeting THAT year..we beat you 32-29..both in the same year that we won our NC and both times you were ranked #1!!

Thus endeth the lesson!

<small>[ August 25, 2002, 07:21 PM: Message edited by: NCGatorBait ]</small>
Doc...I can twist numbers like you are all day...the fact is 27-17-2 gives us the overall lead..we can take any year segments you want to and break it down...but in the end it's 27-27-2..No hard feelings I hope!!
I thought this thread had to do with the ACC? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" />
Noley..all I did was make a statement..some people don't like criticism...You can drop by the UF board anytime, and everyones opinions are welcomed there!!
NCGB wrote:
"1 -- number of times (out of TWO) that UF beat FSU during its ONE N.Champ season

Once again..lets get facts right...We beat you in Jan97 for the NC52-20LOL..and then in the very next meeting THAT year..."

... which was A DIFFERENT SEASON... I clearly wrote SEASON... YOU EVEN COPIED AND PASTED THE LINE IN WHICH I WROTE SEASON... for Pete's sake, LEARN TO READ <img border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" title="" src="graemlins/banghead.gif" />

"In the end" it's two National Championships with one shot per opponent for FSU, versus one National Championship with one shot per opponent except the archrival to whom you lost, for whom the BCS and (I am sure this is pure coincidence) SEC head gave you two shots to get the W, for UF. Like you said, though, no hard feelings.
Not for me..you seem pretty intense about it though??

Well we do only have 1 NC in 2 appearance..and yes, you do have 2 in how many?? Yes numerous(The Atlanta Braves of College Football)...So drop in at the UF board anytime and good luck this season!!
NCGB wrote: "Noley..all I did was make a statement.."
And all I did was respond.

NCGB continues: "some people don't like criticism..."
Some people don't like challenges (which I suppose would explain why UF dropped UM for how many years?)

"You can drop by the UF board anytime, and everyones opinions are welcomed there!!"
I never said your opinions weren't welcome. I just refuted them, that's all.

Anyway, NCGB continues, this time to me:
"Well we do only have 1 NC in 2 appearance..and yes, you do have 2 in how many??"

VERY GOOD, NCGB. TWO IS MORE THAN ONE! That Gainesville tuition wasn't wasted after all!

"Yes numerous"
By numerous, I suppose you mean more than the Gators.

"(The Atlanta Braves of College Football)"
False. The Braves have only one championship. Like, well, the Gators....

"...So drop in at the UF board anytime"
Why would I want to?
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