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Here's a picture of Jacques Chirac and his good buddy Saddam. This is when France was providing assistance that permitted a country with the world's 2nd largest oil reserves to build a nuclear power plant capable of producing weapons grade plutonium.

Yep. We're doing the right thing.

yeah...that's about the same time the USA was supplying billions in armaments to Sadam to help defeat evil Iran.

Big difference between giving evil conventional weapons to take out other evil and just plain giving evil nuclear materials......

not really...especially when you sell said weapons to buy WMD's...

With his oil - he could have bought WMD with anything. Show me concrete proof he bought WMD with what we equipped him with -- and even if you do manage to do so, I will still maintain he could have got them regardless.

p5mmr9 Wrote:not really...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Typical liberal BS :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

<a href='http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/1001-06.htm' target='_blank'>Link</a>
[quote]Iraq's bioweapons program that President Bush wants to eradicate got its start with help from Uncle Sam two decades ago, according to government records getting new scrutiny in light of the discussion of war against Iraq.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent samples directly to several Iraqi sites that U.N. weapons inspectors determined were part of Saddam Hussein's biological weapons program, CDC and congressional records from the early 1990s show. Iraq had ordered the samples, claiming it needed them for legitimate medical research.

The CDC and a biological sample company, the American Type Culture Collection, sent strains of all the germs Iraq used to make weapons, including anthrax, the bacteria that make botulinum toxin and the germs that cause gas gangrene, the records show. Iraq also got samples of other deadly pathogens, including the West Nile virus.

The transfers came in the 1980s, when the United States supported Iraq in its war against Iran. They were detailed in a 1994 Senate Banking Committee report and a 1995 follow-up letter from the CDC to the Senate.

Invoices included in the documents read like shopping lists for biological weapons programs. One 1986 shipment from the Virginia-based American Type Culture Collection included three strains of anthrax, six strains of the bacteria that make botulinum toxin and three strains of the bacteria that cause gas gangrene. Iraq later admitted to the United Nations that it had made weapons out of all three.

The CDC, meanwhile, sent shipments of germs to the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission and other agencies involved in Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. It sent samples in 1986 of botulinum toxin and botulinum toxoid

...and just because I'm sure you kids have Reagan posters on your ceiling (above you bed, of course)...

Quote:Senior military officers revealed that the Reagan administration had provided Iraq with critical battle planning assistance in waging decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s. The assistance was given at a time when American intelligence agencies knew that Iraq had already employed chemical weapons and would likely continue to do so.

This of course raises obvious questions about the current Bush administration's near-frenzied demonization of Saddam Hussein, particularly for his alleged chemical and biological weapons (CBW) threat.

The story may add a new detail or two about the precise nature of US tactical assistance to the Iraqis, but the basic story has long been known. Strangely, the Times story leaves out the most significant part -- the furnishing of chemical and biological materials by the United States to Iraq which markedly enhanced Iraq's CBW capability.

According to a Senate Committee Report of 1994 [1]: From 1985, if not earlier, through 1989, a veritable witch's brew of biological materials were exported to Iraq by private American suppliers pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. Amongst these materials, which often produce slow, agonizing deaths, were: Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord and heart. Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs. Clotsridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness. Clostridium tetani, highly toxigenic. Also, Escherichia Coli (E.Coli); genetic materials; human and bacterial DNA. Dozens of other pathogenic biological agents were shipped to Iraq during the 1980s.

The Senate Report pointed out: "These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction." [2] "It was later learned," the committee revealed, "that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program."[3]

These exports continued to at least November 28, 1989 despite the fact that Iraq had been reported to be engaging in chemical warfare and possibly biological warfare against Iranians, Kurds, and Shiites since the early 80s.

<a href='http://URL=http://www.counterpunch.org/blum0820.html' target='_blank'>Link</a>



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"claiming it needed them for legitimate medical research."

Enough said.

and yes, the US only gave them to Iraq under those claims - as noted by the fact that when he started making CBWs after Desert Storm, we lit him afire for it.

What we are doing parallels what Israel did with the nuclear power plant. I agree fully with that.

Do you, like the French, require someone to be lobbing WMD into Washington, DC before you need proof?

After 9/11 -- US philosophy changed. Get them before they get us.

GTS...I hope you aren't that naive...

the US government gave Sadam the bio-material to further his cause against Iran. Read through all of both articles and then comment. Iraq was given weapons grade bio-material. You don't give weapons grade bio-material to a hostile country just for "legitimate" medical research...just like the French didn't just give the reactor to Sadam for nuclear power.

The Israelis were just in destroying Sadam's reactor...just as the US is just in seeking to disarm Sadam...but to suggest the the US is not complicitous in Sadams rise is just naive. And, yes...we knew he was a mad man...even as we helped him rise to power...

Quote:These exports continued to at least November 28, 1989 despite the fact that Iraq had been reported to be engaging in chemical warfare and possibly biological warfare against Iranians, Kurds, and Shiites since the early 80s.

p5mmr9 Wrote:...and just because I'm sure you kids have Reagan posters on your ceiling (above you bed, of course)...

Kind of like the Clinton poster above your bed :rolleyes:

Big Pimpin Deac Wrote:

p5mmr9 Wrote:...and just because I'm sure you kids have Reagan posters on your ceiling (above you bed, of course)...

Kind of like the Clinton poster above your bed :rolleyes:

P5: "If only I had as much game as him..."

p5mmr9 Wrote:GTS...I hope you aren't that naive...

the US government gave Sadam the bio-material to further his cause against Iran. Read through all of both articles and then comment. Iraq was given weapons grade bio-material. You don't give weapons grade bio-material to a hostile country just for "legitimate" medical research...just like the French didn't just give the reactor to Sadam for nuclear power.

The Israelis were just in destroying Sadam's reactor...just as the US is just in seeking to disarm Sadam...but to suggest the the US is not complicitous in Sadams rise is just naive. And, yes...we knew he was a mad man...even as we helped him rise to power...

Quote:These exports continued to at least November 28, 1989 despite the fact that Iraq had been reported to be engaging in chemical warfare and possibly biological warfare against Iranians, Kurds, and Shiites since the early 80s.

FWIW, who is Sadam?

And for you to say that helping someone with nuclear tech to fight an enemy is the same as giving it to them for no purpose but making money is just crap.

p5mmr9, What are you smoking in your huka. I expect to see a retraction of all of the UN BS that your are wasting our time with. Let me explain a couple of things to you.

1. Your radical Muslim, western world hating brethern that live in the 16th century will never rival our culture, our level of development nor our level of compassion for our common man.

2. Regardless of your spin, Saddam is a evil person, dont try to confuss the issue with this BS that America armed him with WMD. come on, even yoou can't say that with a stright face. Sure we made a decesion to help Iraq against Iran, kind of like choosing between two muggers, which one do I side with .

When this is over in the short period of time it takes to destroy this pimple of a man, I expect an apology from you and the rest of the America hating leaches that live off our great society that the founding fathers created, yet have no trouble running into the ground every chance you get.

Say what you want, inflate your support, live by your own lies, this country is great beacuse we don't let FORGINERS dictate whats in our own best national interests. GOD BLESS GW AND GOD BLESS THE USA, if you don't like it MOVE.

nate jonesacc Wrote:And for you to say that helping someone with nuclear tech to fight an enemy is the same as giving it to them for no purpose but making money is just crap.

Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. The USA gave financial and military aid to Iraq to help defeat Iran. Then, the US gave weapons grade bio-material to do *insert conspiracy theory here*...I never suggested the French did better. Nor did I suggest the French gave nuclear tech to fight an enemy or to make money. I am not concerned with the French government's motivation as that is not the government that collects my taxes. I am simply pointing out that France is not the only power to have supported Sadam*...

*Pointing out spelling errors is juvenile. Don

Herdon Wrote:p5mmr9, What are you smoking in your huka. I expect to see a retraction of all of the UN BS that your are wasting our time with. Let me explain a couple of things to you.

UN BS? What UN BS? Funny, I don't remember quoting any UN BS on this thread...what are YOU smoking?

Quote:1. Your radical Muslim, western world hating brethern that live in the 16th century will never rival our culture, our level of development nor our level of compassion for our common man.

Brethren? Well, being Jewish...I wouldn't call Muslim extremists my "brethren" ... and since it's my culture and level of development you are also referring to...I agree. Not really sure where I say otherwise on this thread...but you made up the first part, so why stop there?

Quote:2. Regardless of your spin, Saddam is a evil person, dont try to confuss the issue with this BS that America armed him with WMD. come on, even yoou can't say that with a stright face. Sure we made a decesion to help Iraq against Iran, kind of like choosing between two muggers, which one do I side with .

Another one of those "what the hell are you talking about" quotes...Really, I have no idea where I suggest Saddam is NOT an evil man. Personally, I agree with the need to disarm Saddam. Any means necessary. Personally, I'd like peace and diplomacy to oust him...but our president isn't really very persuasive...so, we'll oust him with force. That's fine...just get him the hell out. So...I guess this is strike three for you...

NEXT!

Quote:When this is over in the short period of time it takes to destroy this pimple of a man, I expect an apology from you and the rest of the America hating leaches that live off our great society that the founding fathers created, yet have no trouble running into the ground every chance you get.

Leeches? That's funny...it would appear to me that the government is leeching off me. At least it sure felt that way when I wrote my last quarterly tax check. I'm sick to []ing death of you []holes equating those who disagree with our government as unpatriotic "American hating leaches." What the [] is the point of free speech?

Quote:Say what you want, inflate your support, live by your own lies, this country is great beacuse we don't let FORGINERS dictate whats in our own best national interests. &nbsp;GOD BLESS GW AND GOD BLESS THE USA, if you don't like it MOVE.

The country would be better off without people like you.

We wouldn't have a country with out people like me, That I can assure you.

GTS...did you see the website WWW://PAVEFRANCE.COM?
you'd appreciate it!

as for Chirac...he's a prick....He's constantly been against everything that could possibly make the world a little better place. When you have other arab nations (EGYPT) saying that Saddam is the one to blame for the whole mess, then you konw something's wrong.

Quote:We wouldn't have a country with out people like me, That I can assure you.

what a stupid []ing statement...if you want to make a real argument...make one...if not, leave me alone...don't waste my []ing time.



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