CSNbbs - Terry commits

Reyshawn Terry, of the Class of 2003, was offered a basketball scholarship according to <a href="http://www.Tarheelnation.com." target="_blank">www.Tarheelnation.com.</a>

Terry, a small forward, is ranked by Rivalshoops.com and ESPN.com as #57 in his class.

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My opinion:I am not happy that our staff offered Terry so early. <img border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" title="" src="graemlins/banghead.gif" />

[ August 02, 2002, 09:19 AM: Message edited by: hoops13 ]

Why?

-JD

I hope it means they think they've got a big man locked in. I'd feel better if we had two good big guys, we're kid of heavy in players his size. I also wonder about his academic viability.

Let me break this down:

Guys who can play the 1: Felton

Guys who can play the 2: Scott and McCants

Guys who can play the 3: Noel and Manual

What do we need? We have 3 scholarships left to give:

A BIG MAN (Butch or Padgett) is a must from 2003. I think we need another point guard (Shakur, Horton, Gibson) from either the 2003 or 2004 class. Brian Johnson, is another player from 2004, a power forward that I think we could use.

Whatever way you look at it, I just don't see how a wing player factors into this equation. Especially Terry, who is right now not even a top 50 player.

This is UNC basketball and its future we are talking about. Our staff needs to be smart and plan for the future by making smart decisions. We can land the best players in the country so lets get them.

Prezactly, hoops13!

Terry committed tonight. What now?

(hoops: I edited your post to reflect the updated news because I didn't see the point in my starting another thread on this.)

-JD

Should we now go after two big men (Johnson, Butch, etc.) or a big man and a PG? If Shakur decides he wants to come to UNC, do we turn that down? What if Felton goes pro soon?

Interesting dilemma for Doherty.

-JD

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JD Heel:
Should we now go after two big men (Johnson, Butch, etc.) or a big man and a PG? If Shakur decides he wants to come to UNC, do we turn that down? What if Felton goes pro soon?

Interesting dilemma for Doherty.

-JD<hr /></blockquote>We were in fine recruiting situation. We could have taken 2 big men and a point guard, but now that will never work because we only have 2 scholarships left.

Hopefully Doherty and his staff have a plan mapped out, because from my perspective it looks like they are creating a dilemma for themselves!

It is essential that we sign Butch, Padgett, or Perkins from this class.

Many say that Brian Johnson (2004) is very heavy UNC lean. Johnson and a center from 2003 would satisfy our big man needs, but what about a point guard?!?!?!?!?! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Confused]" src="confused.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Maybe Doherty is expecting a scholarship to appear from somewhere for a point guard. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> I reall don't know. Right now, besides landing a big man from 2003, I am blind to his recruiting plan.

Now you can see why the Terry offer bothered me.

But in any case, Terry is now one of us, a Tar Heel, and I welcome him with open arms <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> .

[ August 02, 2002, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: hoops13 ]

If Felton decides to go pro either this year or next, do we get an extra scholly so can we still get another PG for the class of 2004?

If so, then I think we grab Johnson and Butch (if possible) and then grab another PG pending what Felton does.

Right now, I question the decision also. But, Terry may be that type of player that you don't turn down for any reason. Who knows?

-JD

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JD Heel:
If Felton decides to go pro either this year or next, do we get an extra scholly so can we still get another PG for the class of 2004?

If so, then I think we grab Johnson and Butch (if possible) and then grab another PG pending what Felton does.

<hr /></blockquote>If Felton (maybe someone else) does leave early, I believe that will open up another scholarship.

Looks like Doherty is expecting Ray to hang around for 2 years, and I can agree with Matt on that.

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Right now, I question the decision also. But, Terry may be that type of player that you don't turn down for any reason. Who knows?
<hr /></blockquote>I expect Terry to climb in the rankings this year. Terry could end up being a gem <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> , but he could also end up being Adam Boone type material, if you know what I mean. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

Adam Boone's main problem was his lack of athleticism -- it doesn't sound like Terry or any of these guys are hurting in that department.

I'm more worried that these athletic guys may be the next Orlando Melendez <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> (although it sounds like Terry is a better shooter).

Over at IC, they're talking like we should go for one big man and one PG. I can see the virtue in that too -- especially if Grant and/or Sanders step up big either this year or next. I would still like to have two big men, though....

-JD

This topic sure has all the boards humming.

Our first problem is that we will play this season with only 9 scholarship players: Senior Holmes, Sophs Williams, Manual, Scott, and (now that they all appear to have qualified) the five Freshmen. We may get some help from Johnson and Noel, but after that the team fills out with walk-ons. We are going to be short-handed; particularly so if Sanders and Grant don't contribute.

There's no question we need a "big man". From the 2003 class, we have three scholarships to give (5/3 rule). Two are now taken - Noel and Terry. That leaves one, and that's all we can have, even if someone else besides Holmes, who graduates, leaves. In fact, we will only have 11 scholarship players for the 2003-04 season, assuming we fill the third 'ship from 2003. We need one of these four - Padgett, Butch, Taft, Perkins - to commit. We are in deep trouble otherwise.

I'm not so worried about the Terry commitment as some fans. Realistically, I never expected to sign more than one post player anyway, and we can still do that. Also, I never thought we would sign a PG one class behind Felton. Some have argued that Terry is not the best wing available; maybe that's true. But of the players ranked ahead of him (James, Ariza etc.), NONE are showing much or any interest in Carolina.

Because we will have no Seniors on scholarship during the 2003-04 season, we will carry 11 scholarships into the 2004-05 season, so we are limited to two new ones from HS class 2004. One is taken, JamesOn Curry. The argument here is whether we need a PG (anticipating Felton is only a two-year player), or another 4/5 post player, to fill the last one.

If anyone transfers, or goes pro early at the end of this season, we can add scholarships for 2004 - up to three more, for a total of 5. But this will be true only if players transfer or opt NBA early. I think it very possible we will see a transfer after this season. I think Doherty thinks so, too.

Finally, from HS class 2005 we should be able to take a full 5, although that's a long time in the future.

Nice run down ZinfanHeel.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ZinfanHeel:
We need one of these four - Padgett, Butch, Taft, Perkins - to commit. We are in deep trouble otherwise.<hr /></blockquote>People are saying Doherty that if Doherty doesn't get our record improved, then he is in trouble. I say, that if he doesn't land a center, for the 2nd straight year (missed Buckman, Francis, Fraser, Randolph, SWilliams from 2002), we and he will not be in good shape to say the least ......unless Grant suddenly transforms into the ultimate BEAST !

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
I think it very possible we will see a transfer after this season. I think Doherty thinks so, too.
<hr /></blockquote>Are you talking about another transfer because of the 3 guys leaving this year? ...or do you see one particular player leaving?

I will tell you another thing: If we keep having annual transfers then it is only going to hurt our recruiting. I rather all the players stay, and have Curry or Scott play point if Felton is gone. Jameson is probably going to be a future NBA point guard, so he may want to start in college. Recruiting gurus and other reports have said that he has been working on his point guard skills this summer. Melvin will also be a senior, and should be able to run some point. I would rather see anything but another transfer.

[ August 02, 2002, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: hoops13 ]

Hoops13, I completely agree that another transfer is the last thing we need. I hope it doesn't happen, and it might not - probably not - if everything fits together.

What worries me is that of all the scholarship guys who figure to play major minutes (which excludes Holmes and possibly Sanders and Grant as well), only Felton will play the position he projects for himself in the NBA. All the others will play some minutes, maybe a lot of minutes, out of position.

May is being projected to play 4/5, and some feel he will play low post almost exclusively. Likewise Williams is expected to play 4/5, but more emphasis on the 4. Both these guys think they project to the NBA as 3's. If we continue to sign wings (Noel is a wing too), these two, and in particular Williams, may feel that they are being locked into playing positions that will hurt them at the next level.

At the 2/3 positions, we can pick between Scott, Manual or McCants. Two will play, one will back up. If Manual can play the 3, we'd have McCants at 2 and Scott backing up at both 1 and 2. But what if Manual can't play the 3? He doesn't shoot well enough to play the 2 (IMO) and certainly is no PG. If Manual only backs up at 2/3, with Terry coming in where does Jackie fit down the road? Third on the depth chart at #2?

Right now there are a lot of possible combinations, and so much depends on development of the new players. If we could see this:

C: Grant/Sanders
PF: May, b/u Williams, Johnson
SF: Williams, b/u Manual, Noel
2G: McCants, b/u Scott, Manual
PG: Felton, b/u Scott, Holmes

everyone might get enough minutes in the positions they want to play to be satisfied, but I'd still question how long Jackie Manual will stay if he doesn't project as a starter somewhere.

If we see this:

C: May, b/u Grant or Sanders
PF: Williams, b/u Sanders, Johnson
SF: McCants, b/u Manual, Noel
2G: Scott, b/u Manual
PG: Felton, b/u Holmes

We have a bunch of guys out of position and a recipe for major trouble, especially if we start losing games.

ZinfanHeel ,
...signing Terry really overloads us at the 2/3 position: Scott, McCants, Noel, Manual, and now Terry.

It looked like we would have been fine, but signing Terry could really create a log jam. However, we will really have to see how Scott, McCants, Noel, and Manual play this season and what position they play the best. One positive is that all of them are very good players, so in practice, they should make each other better.

If you look over at Duke, they may have a lot of 2/3 guys too in the same seaon: Ewing, Reddick, Deng, SWilliams. These days the game has really gotten away from big, slow centers, and has progressed to a faster paced game played by more athletic guys.

We just have to see how this season goes. Hopefully the team chemistry will improve, and we will win games. It makes it a lot easier when we win games; even if guys aren't getting the playing time they want in the future, they are probably less inclined to complain or transfer because the team is winning.

We will just have to watch how this year goes down, and hope that the chemistry improves, and that Doherty and his staff sign a big man.

Maybe they're expecting Terry to grow a few inches, put on some weight and move down a position. I see him more as a three than a two. That's still a lot of players at the three, I agree.

[ August 04, 2002, 12:03 AM: Message edited by: The Bomber ]