Just for discussion. The right's assignment this week is to watch Bowling for Columbine. Check your local library. We will then discuss the NRA and become better people for challenging our thoughts. I agree to read or watch anything you would like to discuss the following week. I honestly believe many people from the right are GOOD people who are just too set in their ways.
Dogger Wrote:Just for discussion. The right's assignment this week is to watch Bowling for Columbine. Check your local library. We will then discuss the NRA and become better people for challenging our thoughts. I agree to read or watch anything you would like to discuss the following week. I honestly believe many people from the right are GOOD people who are just too set in their ways.
Already have. It's a piece of propagandistic trash. Lies, after lies, after lies, after.....yep, you guessed it, MORE lies. It rivals F-9/11.
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I've seen bits and pieces of this movie, and it's a little far-fetched from what I saw. I don't think the left needs to rely on Moore as a credible source any more than the right should rely on Rush as a credible source.
Plenty people on this here site c&p from Rush's site. From Rove, to Hannitty and Rush, then to the C&Paster's to you.
I've seen it.....It isn't good or open minded at all. I've been to Flint, MI. Its a craphole. They should nuke the whole town. My buddy is from Oscota, MI. He said the two guys that Moore interviewed moved out of town and didn't even know that kid from Columbine. He said the kid from Columbine was there like part of one year and then he was kicked out of school.
Have you seen Roger & Me? It is just as sickening. Michael, it is called the real world. You can't afford to pay janitors $19.00/hour and stay open. That is what the UAW forces GM to do and is why they are closing plants and moving business to Mexico, leaving Flint and other places like it a ghost town.
Dogger Wrote:Plenty people on this here site c&p from Rush's site. From Rove, to Hannitty and Rush, then to the C&Paster's to you.
Don't accuse people of not having original thoughts of you don't have any proof Dogger.
This accusation without back-up seems to be a theme with you.
That movie is trash....
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I own and have owned rifles, shotguns and pistols my whole life. I use these weapons to kill animals and eat them, and for the protection of my family should some mislead criminal choose to be shot while inside my house. These weapons are kept safe from children under lock and key, and then the weapons have additional trigger locks installed when not in use. I do not at this time have a permit to carry the pistols in public. My wife and I plan to get permits soon.
I have never once even remotely considered using these weapons to harm another human being except in self defense. As well, I have never considered knifing anyone or beating them with a baseball bat either.
It is a human beings moral responsibility to not intentionally harm other humans. I do not trust that all humans agree with my moral stance. Therefore, I have a right to protect myself and family from these people.
That said, I would agree that the gun market seems out of control. I do not agree, nor see the need for civilians to own .50 caliber rifles with armour peircing ammunition, nor assault rifles that can easily be converted to fully automatic, nor uzzis and whatnot. There should be sensible, enforced laws to keep these weapons off the street.
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I've seen Bowling and it is pure propoganda. Just like F 9/11 Moore uses creative editing to give off a message and a point of view. His interview with Heston is the height of slimey.
When I watched the movie I expected it to be full of anti-gun propaganda and telling us how guns should be outlawed.... etc.
I was surprised that it came around to blaming the media as fear mongers and not guns for the violence we have seen with our youth.
The point that sticks with me is... What is the reason for the homicides from handguns in our country. They give the number as over 11,000 a year. It's not availability. Over a 1/3rd of Canadiens own guns. Their murder rate was below 100. How many of you lock your doors at night. In Canada no one locks their doors. It is our culture of fear. The boogeyman is out to get us and a lot of times the boogeyman is represented by the black man. I also thought the Heston piece was cruel. It made me squirm in my seat.
Quote:Their murder rate was below 100.
Wrong. The actual number of murders in Canada was somewhere between 360 and <a href='http://canadaonline.about.com/od/crime/a/abolitioncappun.htm' target='_blank'>548</a> based on the information I could find online. The number of murders in the U.S. in 2003 was <a href='http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/xl/03tbl2-10.xls' target='_blank'>14,408</a>.
Let's try these numbers out though:
Population of Canada - 11,562,995
Population of the U.S - 295,473,300
Do the math. See if that does anything for you.
EDIT: I don't think my math was right so I deleted it. Somebody smarter than me can figure it out.
Quote:What is the reason for the homicides from handguns in our country. They give the number as over 11,000 a year. It's not availability.
I'm actually surprised to hear you say this. Much of the liberal side of the argument is that gun crimes are because of availability. The clearest indication that this isn't so is England. They outlawed guns completely yet after they did it crimes committed with a gun(ie assault, burglary etc.) actually increased from pre-ban levels.
Quote:Over a 1/3rd of Canadiens own guns. Their murder rate was below 100. How many of you lock your doors at night. In Canada no one locks their doors. It is our culture of fear. The boogeyman is out to get us and a lot of times the boogeyman is represented by the black man.
I disagree with this. Gun ownership probably has some to do with fear, however gun crimes I don't believe are a result of fear. It's lack of moral code combined with a desire for status/power in many respects. It stems from a lack of value placed on human life and a lack of respect for the rule of law in a civilized society.
I think there is something to your comment about seeing the boogeyman being a black man. Some sterotypes die hard and this one is still with us. HOwever I don't believe the black community does anything to battle this. The hip hop culture that permeates the black community today is also to blame. The idea that a person is assigned value by guns, ho's and bling bling. I"ve been very impressed with how forcefully Bill Cosby has been speaking out against this.
Quote: I also thought the Heston piece was cruel. It made me squirm in my seat.
I'm glad to see you say this. I thought it was a very cheap shot by Moore to do this. Heston has alzimers and clearly didn't know what he was being interviewed for.
My biggest problem with Bowling is that I whole heartedly disagree with it's premise. That America's gun culture, represented by Charlton Heston and the NRA, is the cause of this crime. That's patently untrue.
Lethemeul Wrote:Quote:Their murder rate was below 100.
Wrong. The actual number of murders in Canada was somewhere between 360 and <a href='http://canadaonline.about.com/od/crime/a/abolitioncappun.htm' target='_blank'>548</a> based on the information I could find online. The number of murders in the U.S. in 2003 was <a href='http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_03/xl/03tbl2-10.xls' target='_blank'>14,408</a>.
That figures to somewhere between 2.5% and 3.8% more murders in the U.S. than in Canada.
Let's try these numbers out though:
Population of Canada - 11,562,995
Population of the U.S - 295,473,300
Do the math. See if that does anything for you.
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Let,
From YOUR article. The murder rate per population is a 1/3rd of what it is in the states. You do the math Einstein!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote:The removal of capital punishment from the Canadian Criminal Code in 1976 has not led to an increase in the murder rate in Canada. In fact, Statistics Canada reports that the murder rate for 2003 was the lowest since 1967 at 1.73 murders for every 100,000 population.
The total number of murders in Canada in 2003 was 548, 34 fewer than in 2002.
Murder rates in Canada are generally about a third of those in the United States.
Canadian Sentences for Murder
Dogger Wrote:The point that sticks with me is... What is the reason for the homicides from handguns in our country. They give the number as over 11,000 a year. It's not availability. Over a 1/3rd of Canadiens own guns. Their murder rate was below 100. How many of you lock your doors at night. In Canada no one locks their doors. It is our culture of fear. The boogeyman is out to get us and a lot of times the boogeyman is represented by the black man. I also thought the Heston piece was cruel. It made me squirm in my seat.
No one has commented on this post yet which shows you what the movie is about. Its not about gun control and stopping the sale of guns. Its about our culture and the fear we live in. Violence is the product of this fear. Guns are available and often become the instruments of violence from our fear.
The movie's main theme is not gun control.
I like films or media that challenges prevailing thought. Moore does provoke thought. I wish he wouldn't mislead people either. One thing that troubled me in Farenheit 9-11 was a Bush speech in a roast where he was poking fun at himself. In went alonmg the lines of the rich being his base. It was a charity event that was used as a hammer against him. I don't care for those tactics, but I do find his films worthwhile.
Fanatical Wrote:No one has commented on this post yet which shows you what the movie is about. Its not about gun control and stopping the sale of guns. Its about our culture and the fear we live in. Violence is the product of this fear. Guns are available and often become the instruments of violence from our fear.
The movie's main theme is not gun control.
Um, check the 3rd post above your's with my name on it.
I don't buy that gun crime is a result of fear. I don't think many criminals could honestly tell you, "Yeah, I shot the guy behind the counter in the store I robbed because I was scared."
There was a reference to 1984 where the govt. keeps everyone in a state of fear. Scary when you think about it.
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