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Why would he think Will Bogans won't make it to campus. Anybody know anything?

See Keith's post in the Will Bogan thread (14 threads below this one). I think he's trying to make some subtle points.

Big Ol Pimp Wrote:Why would he think Will Bogans won't make it to campus. Anybody know anything?

1st I have heard about it.......link?

I know nothing. But if one were to consider Weems plus the knowledge that we really really want Rose and Randolph, then that puts us way over the limit unless and until Dorsey and/or Dozier goes pro early and then even 1 above.

Looking at our commits, Robinson is way too good to miss out on. Bogan is a project who may not be progressing at a fast rate. Candidate for a prep school year maybe? Who knows...

As far as I know, Will B will sign in November and I don't mind someone coming in a little raw (unless it's a choice between raw vs AR or DR).

clew901 Wrote:

Big Ol Pimp Wrote:Why would he think Will Bogans won't make it to campus. Anybody know anything?

1st I have heard about it.......link?

http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/memphis/ph...hp?t=52497

Ver, very interesting. If that were to play out ....well, the talent would be staggering.

Tiger-tug's comments don't surprise me--other than the pre-existing relationship with Mack. Smith is definitely a possibility, and I would absolutely LOVE for Maurice Miller to become a Tiger one way or another--a four-year stalwart.

If most of the guys mentioned become Tigers--look out!

tug's opinions were great! I miss his posts alot.

nevermind...

That is a very good post.

However, I do not mind it being a little off the beaten path.

ok, gotcha...

Big Ol Pimp Wrote:Why would he think Will Bogans won't make it to campus. Anybody know anything?

Well if he is right and we get Rose, Randolph, Robinson, Miller and either White, Smith or Barnes, that will mean there is absolutely not a scholarship available for anyone of Will Bogan's skill level. What I have to wonder is who else will be left without a scholly. I think Miller would have to walk-on plus an existing player would have to be urged to transfer. That's even assuming Dozier goes pro next year. Maybe that transfer we got this year would be told to transfer again? Not sure. But something would have to give.

Quote:something would have to give

Exactly. The recent windfalls have changed the scholarship picture. Here's the 2007 roster if noboby leaves (by class and position):

Scholarship

Joey Dorsey Sr. 5
Antonio Anderson Jr. 1-2-3
Kareem Cooper Jr. 5
Chris Douglas-Roberts Jr. 2-3
Robert Dozier Jr. 3-4
Hashim Bailey So. 5
Willie Kemp So. 1-2
Doneal Mack So. 2-3
Pierre Niles 4-5 So. 4-5
Shawn Taggart So. 4-5
Tre'Von Willis So. 2-3

Non-scholarship

Andre Allen Jr. 1

Without defections, the coaching staff have two scholarships to give; but it's been obvious for a long time they are anticipating some defections, Dorsey and Dozier being the most likely. Players like Anderson, Douglas-Roberts, and perhaps others could be possibilities with breakout seasons. And of course there could be transfers, academic casualties, and dismissals.

Robinson has already committed; and for the sake of argument, let's say Bogan is in limbo, and we won't count him right now. Signing a class of Robinson, Rose, Randolph, Miller, and Smith would put them at 16. So they would need three defections. And then there's the Sonny Weems situation....

As a sidebar, players like Billy White and Chris Barnes, and possibly others like Jamine Peterson and Mustapha Farrakhan, could become 2008 targets if they went the prep-school route. That's the beauty of Cal's recruiting: he's always got somebody in the pipeline. If they sign elsewhere this year, so be it, and more targets will soon appear. Contrast that with the basketball recruiting of our local WSU Cougars. They have difficulty even making the lists of a handful of top 150-type players, and they usually aren't high on the list when they make one. You can't be consistently good without consistently good material.

One other thing to consider is the chemistry factor when you have 13 very talented athletes on the same team. Playing time will be tight, and players will really have to compete to earn it. That sounds fine in theory. But egos and unhappiness with roles often rear their ugly heads. The problems between Sean Banks and Darius Washington (and Sean Banks and just about everybody on the team) are an example of that. It takes a great coach like Cal or Roy Williams to be able to manage that. It's going to be interesting to see how Williams manages all those high-school All-Americans at UNC this year.

That's it as I see it. I'm just a fan, not an insider, and not a coach. I'm just looking forward to seeing more great Tiger teams in action. Get ready for some big events on the recruiting front. August and September are the beginning of the recruiting home stretch.

IdahoTiger Wrote:

Quote:something would have to give

Exactly. The recent windfalls have changed the scholarship picture. Here's the 2007 roster if noboby leaves (by class and position):

Scholarship

Joey Dorsey Sr. 5
Antonio Anderson Jr. 1-2-3
Kareem Cooper Jr. 5
Chris Douglas-Roberts Jr. 2-3
Robert Dozier Jr. 3-4
Hashim Bailey So. 5
Willie Kemp So. 1-2
Doneal Mack So. 2-3
Pierre Niles 4-5 So. 4-5
Shawn Taggart So. 4-5
Tre'Von Willis So. 2-3

Non-scholarship

Andre Allen Jr. 1

Without defections, the coaching staff have two scholarships to give; but it's been obvious for a long time they are anticipating some defections, Dorsey and Dozier being the most likely. Players like Anderson, Douglas-Roberts, and perhaps others could be possibilities with breakout seasons. And of course there could be transfers, academic casualties, and dismissals.

Robinson has already committed; and for the sake of argument, let's say Bogan is in limbo, and we won't count him right now. Signing a class of Robinson, Rose, Randolph, Miller, and Smith would put them at 16. So they would need three defections. And then there's the Sonny Weems situation....

As a sidebar, players like Billy White and Chris Barnes, and possibly others like Jamine Peterson and Mustapha Farrakhan, could become 2008 targets if they went the prep-school route. That's the beauty of Cal's recruiting: he's always got somebody in the pipeline. If they sign elsewhere this year, so be it, and more targets will soon appear. Contrast that with the basketball recruiting of our local WSU Cougars. They have difficulty even making the lists of a handful of top 150-type players, and they usually aren't high on the list when they make one. You can't be consistently good without consistently good material.

One other thing to consider is the chemistry factor when you have 13 very talented athletes on the same team. Playing time will be tight, and players will really have to compete to earn it. That sounds fine in theory. But egos and unhappiness with roles often rear their ugly heads. The problems between Sean Banks and Darius Washington (and Sean Banks and just about everybody on the team) are an example of that. It takes a great coach like Cal or Roy Williams to be able to manage that. It's going to be interesting to see how Williams manages all those high-school All-Americans at UNC this year.

That's it as I see it. I'm just a fan, not an insider, and not a coach. I'm just looking forward to seeing more great Tiger teams in action. Get ready for some big events on the recruiting front. August and September are the beginning of the recruiting home stretch.

Allen will be a senior but he will get an additional year in 2008 if he completes his class work as scheduled. Sorry, I'm not just sitting here looking for things to correct, I really enjoy reading your posts.

If I remember correctly you can have 15 guys on the team with 13 on scholarship with maybe a couple of others as equipment managers and/or office personnel. Doesn't sound like have enough guys for practice will be a problem.

So you're a WSU you guy living in Idaho? Do they still play each other? Has WSU being any good since Raveling left?

Thanks for your responses, guys. Pressed Rat, WSU and Idaho do still play in all sports, and they are of course still rivals in an athletic sense. But in modern times the football rivalry has been very lop-sided in WSU's favor (all-time WSU 68-18-3). Idaho did win a couple of games in the late 90's, which didn't make Coug fans very happy. The basketball is a little more even, though WSU wins more than Idaho does. In the other sports, the Vandals probably have a slight edge. WSU has done poorly in PAC-10 basketball since Kelvin Sampson left in the mid-90's; they haven't had an NCAA appearance since then--not even close.

Basically, it's one of those situations in football where WSU has everything to lose and nothing to gain by playing the Vandals. The coaching staffs don't enjoy playing each other. Many of the fans don't enjoy playing each other. A pretty sizeable number do enjoy a healthy dislike of each other, of course, but they're mostly old-timers, when the rivalry was more intense.

I guess many Tiger fans would find this very strange to hear since the two schools are eight miles apart and are sporting rivals, but there's a very close academic and social relationship between the two schools, extending even into athletics. Obviously Memphis and Mississippi don't have a close relationship in athletics.

Dennis Erickson, for example, has coached both Idaho and WSU, and now he's back coaching the Vandals again. Tons of alums and other assistant coaches have coached at both schools. Many of the West Coast style offensive principles so commonly used out here were developed by Idaho and WSU coaches working together and sharing ideas. Dennis Erickson, Mike Price, Jim Walden, Jim Sweeney, John L. Smith, etc. That's the thing about Idaho; they haven't been that successful in Division I-A and are often the butt of jokes out here, but they've had a tremendous impact on the coaching profession.

In terms of playing big-time athletics, the two programs started going their separate ways in the 50's, when years of scandals eventually caused the old Pacific Coast Conference to break up in 1959. (See the Wikipedia article on the Pacific Ten Conference for more on this.) Idaho left the Pacific Coast Conference in 1959, and wasn't invited to join the PAC-8 when it formed in the early 60's. Basically the power brokers of the Pacific Coast Conference had been trying to get rid of Idaho and Montana for years--two inland, rural schools that didn't fit with the rest of the conference. WSU barely survived in the conference, and is still the school with the smallest fan base, stadium, and resources. And yet they are still competitive in the conference. WSU has a small but intensely loyal fan base. It's like being a member of a cult.

Anyway, they dumped Idaho and Montana. (Montana left in 1950, much earlier than Idaho.) You can imagine that USC and UCLA didn't much like making road trips to Missoula and Moscow, especially in those days--train or bus, a little air travel in the later years. These days the PAC-10 teams playing at WSU can fly into Lewiston if they want to instead of Spokane, but they still have to get on a bus. Coug fans love that, though visitors are always treated respectfully.

That's the thing about rivalries out here. They just aren't as intense as the rivalries in the South. You don't see the kind of contempt of and hatred for each other at all levels you see in Alabama-Auburn, Miami-Florida State, etc. They are hard fought and there are a lot of insults hurled (mostly good-natured, but not always, of course), but the fans can still talk. Even with WSU's Apple Cup rivalry with Washington, the most bitter in the area (they've spoiled many Cougar seasons), the fans still get along pretty well on the fan boards.

Anyway, sorry to ramble on so long. Sometimes I forget whether I'm writing about WSU football or Tiger basketball. If I were writing about WSU basketball, there wouldn't be much to write about, unless people wanted to read about consistent failure and cellar-dwelling. The women's team is even worse--0-18 and 1-17 seasons in the PAC-10 in recent years.

I don't think there's going to be any talk of failure when the 2007 Tiger basketball recruiting class becomes a reality in November. While I don't think they will get all the big names they're after (that rarely happens in recruiting because the competition for top players is so fierce), they're going to get enough to get the attention of the recruiting analysts. I'm looking forward to it.

There will be some players leave. I do not think it will be Dorsey or Doizer. Someone will transfer away or get kicked off the team. Cooper is already on a short leash and could not be getting much playing time this season.

I guess what we have learned is that these things always have a way of working out.

Cooper is a dissappointment - he has the body and skill level to be a very good college player if he had the work ethic.....he is not the greatest athlete, but his size coupled with his shooting touch make him unique.....

as for tiger-tug - it is good to see him post again - wish that he would not have endured the unwarranted barbs from a few knuckleheads a while ago......

wonder what t-t thinks about Jeremy Hunt?

HoopDreams Wrote:wonder what t-t thinks about Jeremy Hunt?

You really won't let this die until the first game tips off and Hunt isn't in uniform?

I don't think you would have to wait that long. Is he taking summer classes? Does he enroll for classes in the fall? Either one would support his possibily playing here. If not he should transfer somewhere he can play.