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My vote goes to Lance Armstrong. He is a freak of nature. Resting heart rate is 32 bpm. For anyone who cares, your resting heart rate should be anywhere from 60 to 100 bpm.

http//www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/003399.htm

http//www.in-fitness-equipment.com/article/cardio-fitness-training-to-catch-79922.html

Bo Jackson.

Never seen anything like it.

If he'd picked one sport he could have been Willy Mays or Jim Brown.

Closest I've ever seen to Superman on earth.

I look at him the way the really oldsters talked about Jim Thorpe.

uofmcamaro Wrote:My vote goes to Lance Armstrong. He is a freak of nature. Resting heart rate is 32 bpm. For anyone who cares, your resting heart rate should be anywhere from 60 to 100 bpm.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/...003399.htm

http://www.in-fitness-equipment.com/arti...79922.html

I dont care what his heartrate is. Yea he has dominated his sport too but really, the man rides a freakin bicycle. As far as best athletes go, thats like some redneck saying Richard Petty was the best athlete ever.

I will have to agree with Bo Jackson too. The man was a stellar player in both professional sports he played. When you can play more than one sport professionally then you are an all around athlete. Lets see Lance lace up his shoes and play another sport before I will even remotely consider this fallacy.

Mohammad Ali.

In his prime there has never been another like him. A heavyweight that fought the style of a middle weight. He could dance and punch. He could promote a fight better than anyone. He took on the establishment, stood up for what he believed. No one like him. Truly the GREATEST!

Michael Jordan. He couldn't play baseball worth a crap, but he was the best NBA player ever and they are some of the most athletic out there.

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uofmcamaro Wrote:My vote goes to Lance Armstrong. He is a freak of nature. Resting heart rate is 32 bpm. For anyone who cares, your resting heart rate should be anywhere from 60 to 100 bpm.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/...003399.htm

http://www.in-fitness-equipment.com/arti...79922.html

I dont care what his heartrate is. Yea he has dominated his sport too but really, the man rides a freakin bicycle. As far as best athletes go, thats like some redneck saying Richard Petty was the best athlete ever.

That's a thousand times more idiotic than your claim that what FUT said about soccer was.

Lance Armstrong's VO2 Max is 85. The average healthy male has a VO2 Max of 40. VO2 Max is the amount of oxygen the lungs can consume during exercise. A "superior" VO2 Max for a 20-29 year old male (which is where I presume you are) is 52.4.

Can Lance Armstong play football or baseball like Bo Jackson? No. Can Bo Jackson bike or run marathons or triathlons like Lance Armstrong? No.

If you think it's just riding a "freakin bicycle" why don't you meet me at Cameron Brown Park. There's a 5.4 mile loop there. We can do 5 loops. As I lap you I'll ask you what kind of athlete you think cyclists are. You probably won't be able to speak, so a simple thumbs up will do as a validation that Lance Armstrong is one of the best athletes ever. In 5 loops, I'd only lap you once because I'm just an average amateur cyclist. Lance would pass you 2-3 times in just 5 laps.

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homefry20 Wrote:

uofmcamaro Wrote:My vote goes to Lance Armstrong. He is a freak of nature. Resting heart rate is 32 bpm. For anyone who cares, your resting heart rate should be anywhere from 60 to 100 bpm.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/...003399.htm

http://www.in-fitness-equipment.com/arti...79922.html

I dont care what his heartrate is. Yea he has dominated his sport too but really, the man rides a freakin bicycle. As far as best athletes go, thats like some redneck saying Richard Petty was the best athlete ever.

That's a thousand times more idiotic than your claim that what FUT said about soccer was.

Lance Armstrong's VO2 Max is 85. The average healthy male has a VO2 Max of 40. VO2 Max is the amount of oxygen the lungs can consume during exercise. A "superior" VO2 Max for a 20-29 year old male (which is where I presume you are) is 52.4.

Can Lance Armstong play football or baseball like Bo Jackson? No. Can Bo Jackson bike or run marathons or triathlons like Lance Armstrong? No.

If you think it's just riding a "freakin bicycle" why don't you meet me at Cameron Brown Park. There's a 5.4 mile loop there. We can do 5 loops. As I lap you I'll ask you what kind of athlete you think cyclists are. You probably won't be able to speak, so a simple thumbs up will do as a validation that Lance Armstrong is one of the best athletes ever. In 5 loops, I'd only lap you once because I'm just an average amateur cyclist. Lance would pass you 2-3 times in just 5 laps.

See this is where your incompetence comes in. The key word here is "athlete". The question was "Who is the best athlete of all time?" not "Who can ride their bicycle the farthest or suck in the most oxygen. In order to be the best athlete in sports you must have versatility and all I have been able to see form Lance is the fact that his endurance is impecable and he can ride a bicycle anywhere for however long.

I think it is funny how you call me an idiot when you are trying to debate over a different topic.

homefry20 Wrote:See this is where your incompetence comes in. The key word here is "athlete". The question was "Who is the best athlete of all time?" not "Who can ride their bicycle the farthest or suck in the most oxygen. In order to be the best athlete in sports you must have versatility and all I have been able to see form Lance is the fact that his endurance is impecable and he can ride a bicycle anywhere for however long.

I think it is funny how you call me an idiot when you are trying to debate over a different topic.

Lance Armstrong is a world-class cyclist. He used to be a triathlete. He's going to run the NYC Marathon in November, where he'll post an incredible time (in the 2:15-2:30 range). That's three sports. He's an athlete, and a superior one at that.

Let's see Bo Jackson ride down a winding mountain road at speeds in excess of 60-70 MPH. Let's see Bo Jackson climb the Alps on a bike. He can't do it. Just like Lance can't run with a football and elude tacklers.

Comparing the two is apples & oranges. I was just pointing out the stupidity of you claiming Lance Armstrong isn't an athlete.

They're both outstanding athletes. To be clear, let's make sure you understand what an athlete is:

Athlete: A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

You're not an idiot. You're a dumb***. My apologies to all the idiots out there that I've offended.

When do you want to meet at Cameron Brown to prove to me that cyclists aren't athletes? Let me know you're height & shoe size so I can bring a bike & some riding shoes that fit you. lmfao

TigerTwice Wrote:Let's see Bo Jackson ride down a winding mountain road at speeds in excess of 60-70 MPH. Let's see Bo Jackson climb the Alps on a bike. He can't do it.

Bo knows cycling

TigerTwice Wrote:Can Lance Armstong play football or baseball like Bo Jackson? No. Can Bo Jackson bike or run marathons or triathlons like Lance Armstrong? No.

Here's where we disagree. I watched Bo Jackson as an amateur athlete through high school, college, and into professional sports.

Bo would be a lot closer to as good a cyclist as Lance than Lance would be to how good a football or baseball player Bo was.

I believe Bo could pick up any sport he chose and dominate it. How can I say that? Because he did.

Freak of nature.

Smaug Wrote:

TigerTwice Wrote:Can Lance Armstong play football or baseball like Bo Jackson? No. Can Bo Jackson bike or run marathons or triathlons like Lance Armstrong? No.

Here's where we disagree. I watched Bo Jackson as an amateur athlete through high school, college, and into professional sports.

Bo would be a lot closer to as good a cyclist as Lance than Lance would be to how good a football or baseball player Bo was.

I believe Bo could pick up any sport he chose and dominate it. How can I say that? Because he did.

Freak of nature.

I don't disagree with that, although I don't think Bo Jackson's frame would allow him to get to the point of being an elite distance runner or cyclist. I never said Lance was a better athlete than Bo. I was just refuting homeskillet's erroneous statements about Lance Armstrong's athleticism.

TigerTwice Wrote:

Smaug Wrote:

TigerTwice Wrote:Can Lance Armstong play football or baseball like Bo Jackson? No. Can Bo Jackson bike or run marathons or triathlons like Lance Armstrong? No.

Here's where we disagree. I watched Bo Jackson as an amateur athlete through high school, college, and into professional sports.

Bo would be a lot closer to as good a cyclist as Lance than Lance would be to how good a football or baseball player Bo was.

I believe Bo could pick up any sport he chose and dominate it. How can I say that? Because he did.

Freak of nature.

I don't disagree with that, although I don't think Bo Jackson's frame would allow him to get to the point of being an elite distance runner or cyclist. I never said Lance was a better athlete than Bo. I was just refuting homeskillet's erroneous statements about Lance Armstrong's athleticism.

Fair enough. Any question as subjective as this is bound to spark discussion.

BTW, Bo lettered in track at API and was a sprinter. How'd you like to settle into your blocks for the 100M with a 6'2" 220lb truck in the next lane? Or have him run right past you?

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homefry20 Wrote:See this is where your incompetence comes in. The key word here is "athlete". The question was "Who is the best athlete of all time?" not "Who can ride their bicycle the farthest or suck in the most oxygen. In order to be the best athlete in sports you must have versatility and all I have been able to see form Lance is the fact that his endurance is impecable and he can ride a bicycle anywhere for however long.

I think it is funny how you call me an idiot when you are trying to debate over a different topic.

Lance Armstrong is a world-class cyclist. He used to be a triathlete. He's going to run the NYC Marathon in November, where he'll post an incredible time (in the 2:15-2:30 range). That's three sports. He's an athlete, and a superior one at that.

Let's see Bo Jackson ride down a winding mountain road at speeds in excess of 60-70 MPH. Let's see Bo Jackson climb the Alps on a bike. He can't do it. Just like Lance can't run with a football and elude tacklers.

Comparing the two is apples & oranges. I was just pointing out the stupidity of you claiming Lance Armstrong isn't an athlete.

They're both outstanding athletes. To be clear, let's make sure you understand what an athlete is:

Athlete: A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts.

You're not an idiot. You're a dumb***. My apologies to all the idiots out there that I've offended.

When do you want to meet at Cameron Brown to prove to me that cyclists aren't athletes? Let me know you're height & shoe size so I can bring a bike & some riding shoes that fit you. lmfao

What was his other sport? I see cycling and running. Maybe im different but I see a sport as a game that tests the fitness of and individual as well as intelligence. Strategy. Maybe Im wrong again but I dont see a lot of strategy in some of these others. I still stand by my previous claim that Bo Jackson is a better athlete.

homefry20 Wrote:What was his other sport? I see cycling and running. Maybe im different but I see a sport as a game that tests the fitness of and individual as well as intelligence. Strategy. Maybe Im wrong again but I dont see a lot of strategy in some of these others. I still stand by my previous claim that Bo Jackson is a better athlete.

To answer your first question: cycling, running and triathlons (cycling, running, and swimming). To answer your second (intelligence & strategy), I won't get any more involved in the strategy of running & cycling other than to say strategy is very important to the competition. Specifically, when to attack and/or counter-attack. Running & cycling strategy consists of trying to break your opponents' will (mental toughness). You attack (pull away) in an effort to mentally and/or physically "crack" them. Those sports are VERY mental & there is a lot of strategy involved. Your statements indicate that you don't know anything about these sports. As such, it's usually better to shut your cakehole and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. ;-)

I suggest you re-read this entire thread. My next suggestion would be that you stick to playing pool. I never claimed Lance Armstrong was a better athlete than Bo Jackson. It's like comparing apples & oranges.

I simply took offense to your ignorant assertion that Lance Armstrong doesn't merit consideration as one of the most impressive athletes around. We could argue the semantics of the words athlete and sport until we're both blue in the face.

Merriam-Webster defines an athlete as "a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina." Lance Armstrong certainly qualifies for that definition on the basis that he is trained and skilled in an exercise requiring physical strength, agility, and stamina. Whether or not you consider cycling or triathlons as sports is up to you. I've run a half marathon and I've cycled a fair amount. I've ridden 75 miles continuously averaging 21MPH in one day, then gone to bed, woke up and returned, but it was a recreational ride not an official competition. I've never cycled competitively (until this coming Sunday when I'll participate in the MIM Triathlon Relay where I'll do the cycling leg of the competition). Having actually done these things, in addition to having played competitive baseball, basketball, football, and soccer, it is my informed and experienced opinion that cycling & triathons are as much a sport as any other sport you deem worthy of the term.

On some levels I would consider cycling & triathlons more challenging than the traditional sports (baseball, basketball, football, soccer) because they test your mental toughness more. I might place soccer in the same category because it involves more endurance than baseball, basketball, and football. Plus, in soccer, subsitutions are limited so players are forced to have the mental toughness to fight through physical exhaustion. Boxing fits into that category because it's an individual sport that requires mental toughness, physical conditioning (both aerobic and anaerobic) and strategy.

Bo Jackson was a phenomenal athlete. I would never state otherwise. He might be the most impressive ever. Lance Armstrong deserves to be on that list, as well as Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jim Thorpe, etc. I don't think any single person should be crowned "Best Athlete" and I don't think there will ever be consensus. The different sports are apples & oranges and impossible to compare. It's safe to say that if you picked the top 6 or 10 sports and had the elite athletes from each sport compete in every sport, no single person would win every event.

My vote goes to Lance Armstrong. He is a steroid induced freak. Resting heart rate is 32 bpm due to steroid use. For anyone who cares, your resting heart rate should be anywhere from 60 to 100 bpm, if you don't take steroids. Although I would rank Lance high on the best athlete to ever use steroids list, he would have to be placed 2nd behind the great Barry Bonds and just a notch above the 3rd place Mark McGwire.

TigerTwice Wrote:

homefry20 Wrote:What was his other sport? I see cycling and running. Maybe im different but I see a sport as a game that tests the fitness of and individual as well as intelligence. Strategy. Maybe Im wrong again but I dont see a lot of strategy in some of these others. I still stand by my previous claim that Bo Jackson is a better athlete.

To answer your first question: cycling, running and triathlons (cycling, running, and swimming). To answer your second (intelligence & strategy), I won't get any more involved in the strategy of running & cycling other than to say strategy is very important to the competition. Specifically, when to attack and/or counter-attack. Running & cycling strategy consists of trying to break your opponents' will (mental toughness). You attack (pull away) in an effort to mentally and/or physically "crack" them. Those sports are VERY mental & there is a lot of strategy involved. Your statements indicate that you don't know anything about these sports. As such, it's usually better to shut your cakehole and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. ;-)

I suggest you re-read this entire thread. My next suggestion would be that you stick to playing pool. I never claimed Lance Armstrong was a better athlete than Bo Jackson. It's like comparing apples & oranges.

I simply took offense to your ignorant assertion that Lance Armstrong doesn't merit consideration as one of the most impressive athletes around. We could argue the semantics of the words athlete and sport until we're both blue in the face.

Merriam-Webster defines an athlete as "a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina." Lance Armstrong certainly qualifies for that definition on the basis that he is trained and skilled in an exercise requiring physical strength, agility, and stamina. Whether or not you consider cycling or triathlons as sports is up to you. I've run a half marathon and I've cycled a fair amount. I've ridden 75 miles continuously averaging 21MPH in one day, then gone to bed, woke up and returned, but it was a recreational ride not an official competition. I've never cycled competitively (until this coming Sunday when I'll participate in the MIM Triathlon Relay where I'll do the cycling leg of the competition). Having actually done these things, in addition to having played competitive baseball, basketball, football, and soccer, it is my informed and experienced opinion that cycling & triathons are as much a sport as any other sport you deem worthy of the term.

On some levels I would consider cycling & triathlons more challenging than the traditional sports (baseball, basketball, football, soccer) because they test your mental toughness more. I might place soccer in the same category because it involves more endurance than baseball, basketball, and football. Plus, in soccer, subsitutions are limited so players are forced to have the mental toughness to fight through physical exhaustion. Boxing fits into that category because it's an individual sport that requires mental toughness, physical conditioning (both aerobic and anaerobic) and strategy.

Bo Jackson was a phenomenal athlete. I would never state otherwise. He might be the most impressive ever. Lance Armstrong deserves to be on that list, as well as Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jim Thorpe, etc. I don't think any single person should be crowned "Best Athlete" and I don't think there will ever be consensus. The different sports are apples & oranges and impossible to compare. It's safe to say that if you picked the top 6 or 10 sports and had the elite athletes from each sport compete in every sport, no single person would win every event.

I like the research and the life testimony but you must remember that this is a message board and I personally dont feel that Lance Armstrong should be in the class with "Greatest Athletes". He has done a lot for the sport. Keep calling me names all you see fit. Im not trying to win the Nobel Peace Prize on this board. The topic was an opinion topic of which i gave mine and got railed by you on it. Im sorry I offended you O God of the Message Boards.

homefry20 Wrote:

TigerTwice Wrote:

homefry20 Wrote:What was his other sport? I see cycling and running. Maybe im different but I see a sport as a game that tests the fitness of and individual as well as intelligence. Strategy. Maybe Im wrong again but I dont see a lot of strategy in some of these others. I still stand by my previous claim that Bo Jackson is a better athlete.

To answer your first question: cycling, running and triathlons (cycling, running, and swimming). To answer your second (intelligence & strategy), I won't get any more involved in the strategy of running & cycling other than to say strategy is very important to the competition. Specifically, when to attack and/or counter-attack. Running & cycling strategy consists of trying to break your opponents' will (mental toughness). You attack (pull away) in an effort to mentally and/or physically "crack" them. Those sports are VERY mental & there is a lot of strategy involved. Your statements indicate that you don't know anything about these sports. As such, it's usually better to shut your cakehole and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt. ;-)

I suggest you re-read this entire thread. My next suggestion would be that you stick to playing pool. I never claimed Lance Armstrong was a better athlete than Bo Jackson. It's like comparing apples & oranges.

I simply took offense to your ignorant assertion that Lance Armstrong doesn't merit consideration as one of the most impressive athletes around. We could argue the semantics of the words athlete and sport until we're both blue in the face.

Merriam-Webster defines an athlete as "a person who is trained or skilled in exercises, sports, or games requiring physical strength, agility, or stamina." Lance Armstrong certainly qualifies for that definition on the basis that he is trained and skilled in an exercise requiring physical strength, agility, and stamina. Whether or not you consider cycling or triathlons as sports is up to you. I've run a half marathon and I've cycled a fair amount. I've ridden 75 miles continuously averaging 21MPH in one day, then gone to bed, woke up and returned, but it was a recreational ride not an official competition. I've never cycled competitively (until this coming Sunday when I'll participate in the MIM Triathlon Relay where I'll do the cycling leg of the competition). Having actually done these things, in addition to having played competitive baseball, basketball, football, and soccer, it is my informed and experienced opinion that cycling & triathons are as much a sport as any other sport you deem worthy of the term.

On some levels I would consider cycling & triathlons more challenging than the traditional sports (baseball, basketball, football, soccer) because they test your mental toughness more. I might place soccer in the same category because it involves more endurance than baseball, basketball, and football. Plus, in soccer, subsitutions are limited so players are forced to have the mental toughness to fight through physical exhaustion. Boxing fits into that category because it's an individual sport that requires mental toughness, physical conditioning (both aerobic and anaerobic) and strategy.

Bo Jackson was a phenomenal athlete. I would never state otherwise. He might be the most impressive ever. Lance Armstrong deserves to be on that list, as well as Deion Sanders, Michael Jordan, Jim Thorpe, etc. I don't think any single person should be crowned "Best Athlete" and I don't think there will ever be consensus. The different sports are apples & oranges and impossible to compare. It's safe to say that if you picked the top 6 or 10 sports and had the elite athletes from each sport compete in every sport, no single person would win every event.

I like the research and the life testimony but you must remember that this is a message board and I personally dont feel that Lance Armstrong should be in the class with "Greatest Athletes". He has done a lot for the sport. Keep calling me names all you see fit. Im not trying to win the Nobel Peace Prize on this board. The topic was an opinion topic of which i gave mine and got railed by you on it. Im sorry I offended you O God of the Message Boards.

Bo Jackson a better athlete than Lance Armstrong. Ha not even in the same class. Just because you don't like or understand a sport does not mean that the ledgend of it is less of an athlete. In the sports hall of fame Bo Jackson would not even be in the same room as Lance.

homefry20 Wrote:I like the research and the life testimony but you must remember that this is a message board and I personally dont feel that Lance Armstrong should be in the class with "Greatest Athletes". He has done a lot for the sport. Keep calling me names all you see fit. Im not trying to win the Nobel Peace Prize on this board. The topic was an opinion topic of which i gave mine and got railed by you on it. Im sorry I offended you O God of the Message Boards.

I'm just backing up my opinion with an ounce of fact. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We don't agree. Big deal. But don't play the innocent victim role after you initially disrespected Lance Armstrong and his sport because you have no experience or understanding of it.

You got railed because of the way you presented your opinion, not because of your opinion. He "rides a freakin bicycle" is about the most lame and uninformed reason to discredit an athlete that I've ever heard. Heck, it's not even a reason- it's a lack of a reason. It's basically saying that he can't be considered one of the best athletes because I can't gauge how tough his sport is.

Peace.

TigerTwice Wrote:

homefry20 Wrote:I like the research and the life testimony but you must remember that this is a message board and I personally dont feel that Lance Armstrong should be in the class with "Greatest Athletes". He has done a lot for the sport. Keep calling me names all you see fit. Im not trying to win the Nobel Peace Prize on this board. The topic was an opinion topic of which i gave mine and got railed by you on it. Im sorry I offended you O God of the Message Boards.

I'm just backing up my opinion with an ounce of fact. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. We don't agree. Big deal. But don't play the innocent victim role after you initially disrespected Lance Armstrong and his sport because you have no experience or understanding of it.

You got railed because of the way you presented your opinion, not because of your opinion. He "rides a freakin bicycle" is about the most lame and uninformed reason to discredit an athlete that I've ever heard. Heck, it's not even a reason- it's a lack of a reason. It's basically saying that he can't be considered one of the best athletes because I can't gauge how tough his sport is.

Peace.

Whats all this discussion about? Doesn't Armstong just ride a bike. Heck most everyone can ride a bike.

UBetterCallSomebody Wrote:Whats all this discussion about? Doesn't Armstong just ride a bike. Heck most everyone can ride a bike.

We can all run, but we can run like some of the Olympic sprinters.