Does anyone remember the Kellen Winslow & Kellen Winslow II crap from a few years ago? If not, here's a story that may sound familiar...
Kellen (dad) was hosting a Fox Sports show on football recruiting called "Countdown to Signing Day". All through the recruitment process he had been very vocal in his desire that Kellen (son) play for a black coach. Nice thought. Problem was, there weren't many black coaches!
So the son says he's going to play for Miami because they've churned out some pretty serious TEs. Dad says - on his live TV show - something to the effect of "over my dead body".
With hindsight we know that dad CLEARLY did not know best. His school of choice was Michigan State, which presumably nudged out Temple and whatever other schools (all three) had a black head coach. Remember that guy!? I don't know of any other college program that has had worse discipline problems. Smoker-gate occurred under his watch, and he wasn't the only problem on the team.
Somehow the kid did get to go to Miami. Maybe Mom got involved. I can't recall. Anyway, it seemed more important for Kellen (dad) to make a point about the dearth of black head coaches than it was for him to see his son in the right place. He rationalized this outcome to himself by saying that Miami had a black as one of their top assistants or his position coach or something.
I thought of this tonight when I read the story about the SERIOUS disconnect between Thaddeus Young and his dad. The answer that comes out of a household regarding a top schools list shouldn't be that hard to get straight.
Sean Higgins needs to help this kid out.
Winslow picked Washington, not Miami. Overbearing Daddy steered him to Miami.
AyatollahofRockNRolla Wrote:Does anyone remember the Kellen Winslow & Kellen Winslow II crap from a few years ago? If not, here's a story that may sound familiar...
Kellen (dad) was hosting a Fox Sports show on football recruiting called "Countdown to Signing Day". All through the recruitment process he had been very vocal in his desire that Kellen (son) play for a black coach. Nice thought. Problem was, there weren't many black coaches!
So the son says he's going to play for Miami because they've churned out some pretty serious TEs. Dad says - on his live TV show - something to the effect of "over my dead body".
With hindsight we know that dad CLEARLY did not know best. His school of choice was Michigan State, which presumably nudged out Temple and whatever other schools (all three) had a black head coach. Remember that guy!? I don't know of any other college program that has had worse discipline problems. Smoker-gate occurred under his watch, and he wasn't the only problem on the team.
Somehow the kid did get to go to Miami. Maybe Mom got involved. I can't recall. Anyway, it seemed more important for Kellen (dad) to make a point about the dearth of black head coaches than it was for him to see his son in the right place. He rationalized this outcome to himself by saying that Miami had a black as one of their top assistants or his position coach or something.
I thought of this tonight when I read the story about the SERIOUS disconnect between Thaddeus Young and his dad. The answer that comes out of a household regarding a top schools list shouldn't be that hard to get straight.
Sean Higgins needs to help this kid out.
Nice post, intelligent and accurate as usual.
Stammers Wrote:AyatollahofRockNRolla Wrote:Does anyone remember the Kellen Winslow & Kellen Winslow II crap from a few years ago? If not, here's a story that may sound familiar...
Kellen (dad) was hosting a Fox Sports show on football recruiting called "Countdown to Signing Day". All through the recruitment process he had been very vocal in his desire that Kellen (son) play for a black coach. Nice thought. Problem was, there weren't many black coaches!
So the son says he's going to play for Miami because they've churned out some pretty serious TEs. Dad says - on his live TV show - something to the effect of "over my dead body".
With hindsight we know that dad CLEARLY did not know best. His school of choice was Michigan State, which presumably nudged out Temple and whatever other schools (all three) had a black head coach. Remember that guy!? I don't know of any other college program that has had worse discipline problems. Smoker-gate occurred under his watch, and he wasn't the only problem on the team.
Somehow the kid did get to go to Miami. Maybe Mom got involved. I can't recall. Anyway, it seemed more important for Kellen (dad) to make a point about the dearth of black head coaches than it was for him to see his son in the right place. He rationalized this outcome to himself by saying that Miami had a black as one of their top assistants or his position coach or something.
I thought of this tonight when I read the story about the SERIOUS disconnect between Thaddeus Young and his dad. The answer that comes out of a household regarding a top schools list shouldn't be that hard to get straight.
Sean Higgins needs to help this kid out.
Nice post, intelligent and accurate as usual.
:laugh: :rofl:
Psicosis Wrote:Winslow picked Washington, not Miami. Overbearing Daddy steered him to Miami.
Psicosis:
Thanks. I knew a few of the minor details were probably wrong. I really remember the outcome - Dad kept saying he knew what was best and his kid shouldn't have a say in it.
Hindsight really changes the Michigan State thing. They were the Big Ten laughingstock because of the lack of control the coach had.
Great point about the Huskies.
I don't fault Thad's dad for wanting his son to play for a black coach. At the same time, I don't expect non-black people to understand. I do, however, fault him for voicing it in a way that hurts his kid. I'm sure he could care less how he looks in the situation, but regardless of Thad's decision, his father added an element that shouldn't have come up. Considering his choices are Arkansas, Kentucky and Georgia Tech, I strongly disagree that race matters much. Had he said he wanted to go to a HBCU, then that's different. But Arkansas is hardly a location I'd want to send my kid if race has something to do with the matter. Same for Kentucky where Tubby Smith wins and his job is STILL on the line every year. Georgia Tech may be the best option of the 3 due to the location "IF" race is a question. I just hate that race is involved.
Knowing how most boys are, you look up to your father even when he hasn't always been an Angel. That reason alone, I fully expect Thad to go with Arkansas, Kentucky or Georgia Tech. I'm pulling for Georgia Tech if he "HAS" to choose one of the 3, but ultimately I just hope he has fun and enjoys his time in school. If he's only going to school for 1 year, I don't see the logic in moving away from Memphis. It makes more sence to me to stay home with the coach best suited to get you ready for professional basketball, but I guess time will tell. I wish the kid luck wherever he goes.
Ant360x Wrote:I don't fault Thad's dad for wanting his son to play for a black coach. At the same time, I don't expect non-black people to understand. I do, however, fault him for voicing it in a way that hurts his kid. I'm sure he could care less how he looks in the situation, but regardless of Thad's decision, his father added an element that shouldn't have come up. Considering his choices are Arkansas, Kentucky and Georgia Tech, I strongly disagree that race matters much. Had he said he wanted to go to a HBCU, then that's different. But Arkansas is hardly a location I'd want to send my kid if race has something to do with the matter. Same for Kentucky where Tubby Smith wins and his job is STILL on the line every year. Georgia Tech may be the best option of the 3 due to the location "IF" race is a question. I just hate that race is involved.
Knowing how most boys are, you look up to your father even when he hasn't always been an Angel. That reason alone, I fully expect Thad to go with Arkansas, Kentucky or Georgia Tech. I'm pulling for Georgia Tech if he "HAS" to choose one of the 3, but ultimately I just hope he has fun and enjoys his time in school. If he's only going to school for 1 year, I don't see the logic in moving away from Memphis. It makes more sence to me to stay home with the coach best suited to get you ready for professional basketball, but I guess time will tell. I wish the kid luck wherever he goes.
Unfortunately, apparently Thad is being yanked around by those that are supposed to be his handlers. That is what is the real shame. I respect Thad for speaking his mind in the paper yesterday contrary to what the behind the scenes people who are trying to take front and center away from him are doing/saying.
He chose Miami due to black assistant---Shannon.
Again atoolah.
Trying to sound bright is your thing.
Being bright clearly is not.
Mimi Wrote:He chose Miami due to black assistant---Shannon.
Which is precisely what I said when I mentioned the decision was rationalized by Kellen (dad).
When you say "he" you obviously don't mean DAD and FIRST CHOICE. That was Michigan State. And dad was looking for a black head coach.
Can anyone name a college FB team that doesn't have a black assistant? I don't follow assistant coaches that closely, but I've got to think more than half the schools have a black coach on staff.
Mimi, for you:
Article published Sunday, December 12, 2004
Recruits have power to affect hiring decisions
There's a lot of truth to the sports cliche: Coaches are hired to be fired. However, there seems to be a prerequisite when it comes to black college football coaches that they be successful. That seems unfair when white coaches are hired, fired and re-hired without being painted with the same broad brush as their black counterparts.
In a sport where about 50 percent of the players are black, there are currently two black football coaches out of 117 Division I-A schools following the recent dismissals of three black coaches, most notably Tyrone Willingham at Notre Dame.
The lack of progress made in hiring black college football coaches is contradictory when you consider the success of black college basketball coaches.
Some have been quite successful. John Thompson, Tubby Smith and Nolan Richardson won national championships.
Black basketball coaches have become almost as commonplace as black basketball players. That's why there was no public uproar when Southern California fired black basketball coach Henry Bibby last week.
Yet university and college presidents, athletic directors, administrators and boosters, who are overwhelmingly white, express concerns that a black football coach will be under too much pressure to succeed.
You can't take two black coaches out of 117 and use them as the measuring stick for an entire race.
Floyd Keith, executive director of the Black Coaches Association (BCA), said progress won't be made until college decision-makers accept that change is not only inevitable, but that there will be consequences if the coaching numbers remain at the poverty level.
Keith said the BCA encourages black high school athletes and their families to consider the hiring practices of the schools recruiting them. The BCA released its first annual "report card" in October evaluating the 14 I-A schools that had football coaching vacancies last offseason. One black coach - Sylvester Croom at Mississippi State - was hired.
"I think what the [black] community has to understand is, they have value. They have value because of their ability," Keith said. "Their strength is in the fact that they can choose where they go to school. If they don't hold those institutions accountable for being exclusive, instead of being inclusive, the numbers won't change.
"Why perpetuate the problem by going someplace where they already tell you how they're going to treat you?"
A few years ago, NFL Hall of Famer Kellen Winslow Sr. refused to sign a letter-of-intent for his son, Kellen Jr., one of the most heavily recruited high school players in the country, to attend the University of Washington. Kellen Sr. wasn't comfortable with the racial composition of the coaching staff and the athletic support staff at Washington.
Kellen Sr. eventually signed a letter-of intent for his son to attend the University of Miami because of a comfort level resulting from the Hurricanes employing a black defensive coordinator and a black receivers coach who was directly involved in Winslow's recruitment.
Kellen Jr. is a rookie tight end with the Cleveland Browns. He wants to coach when he's finished playing. That's one reason he selected Miami.
What if other black football recruits elected to use Winslow's blueprint?
Mimi Wrote:
He chose Miami due to black assistant---Shannon.
Again atoolah.
Trying to sound bright is your thing.
Being bright clearly is not.
it seems to be forming a pattern huh mimi :laugh:
Made that point in another thread....
Glad it's not contagious :stupid: :bang: :rofl: :laugh:
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Quote:What if other black football recruits elected to use Winslow's blueprint?
We'd sign them ALL! Behold the power of Jeep Hunter!