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Best college football game I have ever seen. The little man gets it done in overtime. Boise went for 2 in OT and pulled the old statue of liberty play to win. Not to mention the Hook and Ladder they ran just to get to OT. WHAT A GAME!
I only saw the 4th quarter and OT but from what I saw it was a great game. That coach from Boise State has some big balls, what a great play caller. The exact opposite of Paul Hamilton.
I honestly don't see where the shot at Paul Hamilton is warranted or even valid, but YEAH!

I was reminded of the 1981 Miami-San Diego playoff game- big comeback- the hook and ladder at the end of the half- overtime.

A couple of things, though.

The Broncos have put Boise on the map. And it wasn't that long ago they were Division I-AA.

However, please let's not talk about "this is why we need a playoff" blah blah blah.

Maybe we do and maybe we don't. In terms of BSU- they showed me they are a legit top 10 team- but I think we already knew that.

They also showed me they are not a legitimate No. 1 team- not yet at least. Any team that needs three trick plays to beat a good-but-not-great Oklahoma team is not the best in the land.

They fooled the Sooners to victory. They did not beat them. That was proven on the field.
I am pretty sure that Boise St walked off the field winners and the Sooners walked off losers so that was what was proven on the field.

You are getting on some of the ETSU fans for being happy to only lose to UT by 5 but you are saying it is okay for OU fans to hold thier heads up and be proud because they really didn't get beat they got tricked. Can't have it both ways, a loss is a loss Boise St was in control of the game and had a late game collapse and let OU score 24 points in a row but they had a gut check and got back up and won the game.
I never said Oklahoma fans should be happy with their loss.

However, if you really believe that Boise State is the best team in the land, then I want to know where you were during the '80s, Steelers Fan (NOT!).

Sounds to me like you are actually a closet Sam Wyche fan.

I can see it. You'd both do just about anything to shake Chuck Noll's hand.
I didn't say Boise State was the best team in the land but I do think they are a better team then OU.


R
Not sure about that.

I give them all the credit for going for two. I wish more teams would do that- I hate college and high school football overtime.

However, that wasn't a "We think we can go toe to toe with a program like Oklahoma and get three yards on a trap play, a pass to the corner, a run-pass option, etc."

That was a "I know! We'll fool them!"

Now, if you are the Steelers fan you say you are- you'll remember when Sam Wyche cost the Bengals numerous playoff appearances because he was running reverses from the one yard line instead of trying to actually play football.

Sometimes it worked- the fake punt that went for a touchdown against the Steelers on MNF in '86.

Often it didn't- the "We will try to run the clock out on fourth down instead of punting it away" that cost them the 49ers game- and their season- in '87.

Same here. BSU pulled a rabbit out of their hat. You can win a game with a trick play- and I think the Broncos win is legitimate. They played by the rules. Oklahoma goes away thinking "MAN WERE WE DUMB!?!?!?!"

Buy they also go away not convinced they don't win six out of ten games with BSU.

Surely you don't believe you can hook-and-ladder and Statue of Liberty and halfback option on every play and win.
Nobody in the NFL has ran more trick plays then the Steelers the last few years. Last year several of those plays help them to a Super Bow and to win it. No it was the only weapon they had but it was something different that the other teams had to worry about,

Randle El throwing a touchdown in the Superbowl comes to mind.
Yeah, and that's why a lot of people had problems with the Steelers triumph.

But the Steelers were hardly a finese team. They tried to be in 2003 and you saw where that took them.

Their bread and butter was the run- be it Jerome Bettis wearing out a defense or Willie Parker's 75-yard rush- a traditional play that is a Super Bowl record.

The Steelers did not "trick play" their way to a championship, and in theory if you take away Randle-El's TD pass to Hines Ward the Steelers still win 14-10.

You take away those three trick plays from BSU and Oklahoma wins.

Now, BSU is a legit win. Strategy counts. It is a worthy candidate for "Greatest Game Ever" and I think Ian Johnson just had the greatest day a human being ever had.

But did I come away thinking BSU was a team on a par with Ohio State or Florida- or even LSU, Michigan or Southern Cal?

NO WAY! And I don't need a playoff system (which I know is where the pundits will head and I'm sick of it) to tell me that.

Keep the 18 point lead and I do. Pull rabbits out of your hat and I don't.
I dont understand why some people consider a win filled with trick plays not legitimate. Last time I checked, a trick play is legal, and within the realm of the rules. Anyone that says that win wasnt legitimate is a sore loser. 04-rock
Quote:But did I come away thinking BSU was a team on a par with Ohio State or Florida- or even LSU, Michigan or Southern Cal?

NO WAY! And I don't need a playoff system (which I know is where the pundits will head and I'm sick of it) to tell me that.

Heres a question for you Pitt? Do you think George Mason was a legit top 4 team last year? Were they as good as the other 3 teams in the final 4? If it wouldnt have been for a playoff, they would have never gotten the chance to be in the national semifinals.
A win is a win, reminds me of a lady at the table last night when I was playing in an online poker tournament. She was whining about someone taking a big pot off of her. She said she never lost with the worse hand. My comment was lady you always lose with the worst hand or you wouldn't have lost. She said I meant she always got her money in with the best hand but when all the cards were all dealt out someone else hand sucked out on her. Whaaa, thats why there are 5 cards on the board

. Whats the saying it ain't over till its over. When it was over OU had lost just like she had.
BTW she busted out when she moved all in with AQ preflop and got called by a pair of Queens, I gave her a big congrats on finally gettting her money in with the worst hand and losing but for some reason she still wasn't happy.

R
I will ignore Rod's uncomprehensible attempt at a metaphor and point this out-

A- Fan1- You evidently have a problem with reading comprehension. I have repeatedly said this was a legitimate win.

However, to tell me BSU is worthy of a National Championship after winning this way is to tell me "The Harlem Globetrotters could win the NBA Title, you know."

Now- that's absurd. And you don't have to invite the Trotters to the dance to know it.
Quote:Fan1- You evidently have a problem with reading comprehension. I have repeatedly said this was a legitimate win.

Apparentley you have a problem with paranoia. I wasnt refering to you in my Oklahoma statement.

And you repeatedly attack everyone for dodging questions. So...do you think George Mason was a top 4 team last year?
Yes you have said a couple of times that it was a legit win. However the first thing you said about the game

Quote:They fooled the Sooners to victory. They did not beat them. That was proven on the field

Says the opposite. If Boise State did not beat them, your words, how is that a legit win??
The question on George Mason is irrelvant.

We're talking about THE BEST here- not the third-runner up.

Rod-Semantics.

"Beat" in that sentence implies a clear cut triumph that says "Team A is clearly better than Team B."

Thrilling, exciting, enjoyable- all of those describe the Fiesta Bowl last night.

However, if you are going to tell me that a statue of liberty play on a two-point conversion in overtime means that BSU is clearly defined as a better team than the Sooners- you are as stupid as I think you are.

My original point was that people are going to now rush to BSU's defense and start saying that we need a playoff.

I'm saying the way they won- with deception- pretty much proves they aren't in that caliber.

And trust me, I would like NOTHING more than to see a gritty underdog like BSU be put in that caliber.

But when you're running trick plays to get by- and your standard pass plays to the sideline are being intercepted and returned for touchdowns- and you've blown an 18 point lead so the only way you can win is to Houdini it- how can you tell me that BSU is in Ohio State's class?

"We don't know until it's settled on the field."

Uh- it just was.
Quote:The question on George Mason is irrelvant.

Time and time again you have made people answer irrelevant questions. You said you dont need a playoff to tell you Boise isnt as good as Ohio State. How do you know?


Do you think George Mason was a top 4 team last year?
When have I asked an irrelevant question?

I'm not saying I haven't- but usually when I do it's for humorous effect. You can't make that claim on what you're asking.

So why don't you just make the point you want to?

By the way, read what I write- or is the music in the background distracting you?

A- George Mason didn't "Harlem Globetrotter" their way to the Final Four.

B- What part of "When you're running trick plays to get by- and your standard pass plays to the sideline are being intercepted and returned for touchdowns- and you've blown an 18 point lead so the only way you can win is to Houdini it- how can you tell me that BSU is in Ohio State's class?

'We don't know until it's settled on the field.'

Uh- it just was."
Well, I guess if we had a playoff, we wouldnt be having this discussion. I love how talk show hosts ask "How can we have a playoff system? How should it be done?"

Look at I-AA...seems pretty simple to me.
No- we already know.

Fool a team to victory- and we're not convinced you're the best.

Smashmouth your opponent- and we are.


I WILL say, however, that BSU's staff are better strategists than Oklahoma's.

And that's saying something- because Bob Stoops can coach my team any time.
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