11-09-2006, 03:32 PM
11-10-2006, 10:18 AM
I picked 17-19, not as a vote of confidence. But come on, this is the ASun. Even with a terrible team, we're bound to win 15 or so games. I figured I'd be optimistic.
11-12-2006, 08:23 PM
I voted for 14-16 also simply because of the terrible nature of the A-Sun. If we were in the Southern it would be hard to win 10 games but the A-Sun is weaker and it makes us weaker by playing in it. We would have been better off in the Big South Conference.
11-25-2006, 07:56 AM
I know that it's still very early on and I'm an optimist at heart (really, I am), but if we lose tonight, then I'd like to see this poll run again. I really thought we'd win 16, but I'm starting to believe 11 or 12 is the magic number.
My wife is a UPENN grad and she reminds me everyday that ETSU couldn't finish in the top 4 of the Ivy League! Unfortunately, right now it's hard to argue with her on that point.
I wonder if they've tried putting disguises on Talford and Jennings and bringing them back as freshmen walk ons? :shhh:
My wife is a UPENN grad and she reminds me everyday that ETSU couldn't finish in the top 4 of the Ivy League! Unfortunately, right now it's hard to argue with her on that point.
I wonder if they've tried putting disguises on Talford and Jennings and bringing them back as freshmen walk ons? :shhh:
11-25-2006, 11:14 AM
The positive thing about this season so far is the good showing we have had against Auburn (yes, not a great team, but still an SEC team. They almost beat Oklahoma State last night) and Sam Houston. The Sam Houston game was MUCH closer than the score indicates and they will probably be a NCAA tournament team. I think Morehead will be the exception rather than the rule. I may be wrong but the team is still developing. They took a step back losing Twilley and have had to regroup. Now, once we hit January and if we are still having these bad games, I will change my view. Right now though, I am still optimistic.
11-25-2006, 11:41 AM
You know, when Murry Bartow took over as coach the Bucs would beat Houston convincingly. They might have taken Cincinnati to overtime in the NCAAs if Tim Smith had remembered what the score was.
So forgive me if I can't spin six point losses to Auburn and 11 point losses to SAM HOUSTON STATE as positives.
And don't give me the ETSU propaganda that Sam Houston is the "Conference favorite." That means they are Belmont.
So that's two more losses for the Bucs right there . . . .
This should not be a knock on Bartow. Sure- there are things I'd have liked Bartow to do that he hasn't and I think his quotes are straight out of the ETSU spin machine.
The demise of the Bucs, however, is not so much the problem of Bartow as it is Dave Mullins and Paul Stanton.
And to ignore this problem while asking for Bartow's head is to not address the problem. David Mullins is uncapable of hiring a quality coach- and you're better off keeping a guy who at least has won with other people's players for the time being that for Mullins to go out and hire another subpar coach.
So forgive me if I can't spin six point losses to Auburn and 11 point losses to SAM HOUSTON STATE as positives.
And don't give me the ETSU propaganda that Sam Houston is the "Conference favorite." That means they are Belmont.
So that's two more losses for the Bucs right there . . . .
This should not be a knock on Bartow. Sure- there are things I'd have liked Bartow to do that he hasn't and I think his quotes are straight out of the ETSU spin machine.
The demise of the Bucs, however, is not so much the problem of Bartow as it is Dave Mullins and Paul Stanton.
And to ignore this problem while asking for Bartow's head is to not address the problem. David Mullins is uncapable of hiring a quality coach- and you're better off keeping a guy who at least has won with other people's players for the time being that for Mullins to go out and hire another subpar coach.
11-25-2006, 03:37 PM
I haven't voted yet, but are you talking about D1 wins exclusively? UVa-Wise and Milligan shouldn't count in my opinion.
11-27-2006, 11:06 AM
OK. I said 17 or 18 wins earlier, due to the preschool conference we play in. But after the losses to Murray and Sam Houston, I'd say we're looking at more like 10 or 12 wins.
I used to go to a school in Sam Houston's conference. The teams in that conference couldn't have beaten ETSU on their best days. They'd have a hard time with Carson Newman. Most were about the equivalent of Milligan. There aren't many good bball players in Texas. And the good ones go to a lot better schools than SHS.
Let's make Pitt the athletic director.
I used to go to a school in Sam Houston's conference. The teams in that conference couldn't have beaten ETSU on their best days. They'd have a hard time with Carson Newman. Most were about the equivalent of Milligan. There aren't many good bball players in Texas. And the good ones go to a lot better schools than SHS.
Let's make Pitt the athletic director.
11-27-2006, 11:55 PM
The first step to doing everything you say is firing Mullins. I don't think Stanton will do it- he only sees Mullins to be a loyal ETSU man and Stanton either doesn't pay enough attention to his athletic department to question any of Mullins' moves (Lassard-Harris, remember?) or likes Mullins because he is a yes man to his whims- I haven't figured it out yet.
All I know is Stanton ran off three real ADs for a tennis coach who knows he could never get the money or the prestige he's receiving now at any other college.
YOu ask "Who will replace Mullins?" The names you mention are poor choices and typical of the area's shortsightedness- Robertson lacks the administration skills and media saavy. ETSU would be the laughingstock of the NCAA to hire a tennis coach as AD- and then replace him with a trainer.
And I think the world of Jerry Robertson. But that's simply telling it like it is.
Robinson also isn't coming back- Alabama would have a better chance in getting Bobby Bowden to replace Mike Shula.
And besides, both Robinson and Robertson are over 60.
To replace Mullins- you simply do what they used to do- and what every college does when the AD job comes open.
Have a search.
The fact of the matter is ETSU has had some pretty good ADs before Mullins came in and ruined everything.
Once upon a time, UNLV's AD was looking to come to ETSU- and I have always wondered what would have happened. Could he have modeled the Bucs after the Rebels? Might ETSU now be Division I-A in football and with a Top 25 basketball program if Jim Weaver had come to Johnson City?
Under Marshall's Keener Fry, the football team enjoyed great success. Some very fine coaches- DeChellis, Kemp, Hamilton- were brought in. He played hardball when ETSU games were being pre-empted for high school games on the radio- and won that battle.
St. Francis' Frank Pergolizzi could be an stern taskmaster- but he also had enough saavy to resurrect football at Southeast Louisiana and brought in some very fine people- Hal Mummie; Woody Woodenhoffer.
Georgia Tech's Todd Stansbury has also proven to be a winner. As the Assistant AD at Oregon State- the Beavers are now National Champs in baseball and a have very fine football program that beats Southern Cal and routs Notre Dame in major bowls- whereas not long ago they might have been the worst major athletic program in the country.
Also- while ETSU is bringing in Ludacris- Oregon State is bringing in Jay Leno.
So- in a very, very longwinded way, the answer to "Who Replaces Mullins" is easy.
All you have to do is basically do a search and tell someone with administrative and fundraising skills and a football background (as Stansbury, Pergolizzi, and Fry all had) that you're giving him the keys.
No run ins with the golf coach. No penny pinching from above. You tell him he's got the green light and the dept. is his baby.
You do that- and you could get the man (or woman) who would legitimately turn ETSU into a Marshall, MTSU, South Florida, etc.
If not even better.
All I know is Stanton ran off three real ADs for a tennis coach who knows he could never get the money or the prestige he's receiving now at any other college.
YOu ask "Who will replace Mullins?" The names you mention are poor choices and typical of the area's shortsightedness- Robertson lacks the administration skills and media saavy. ETSU would be the laughingstock of the NCAA to hire a tennis coach as AD- and then replace him with a trainer.
And I think the world of Jerry Robertson. But that's simply telling it like it is.
Robinson also isn't coming back- Alabama would have a better chance in getting Bobby Bowden to replace Mike Shula.
And besides, both Robinson and Robertson are over 60.
To replace Mullins- you simply do what they used to do- and what every college does when the AD job comes open.
Have a search.
The fact of the matter is ETSU has had some pretty good ADs before Mullins came in and ruined everything.
Once upon a time, UNLV's AD was looking to come to ETSU- and I have always wondered what would have happened. Could he have modeled the Bucs after the Rebels? Might ETSU now be Division I-A in football and with a Top 25 basketball program if Jim Weaver had come to Johnson City?
Under Marshall's Keener Fry, the football team enjoyed great success. Some very fine coaches- DeChellis, Kemp, Hamilton- were brought in. He played hardball when ETSU games were being pre-empted for high school games on the radio- and won that battle.
St. Francis' Frank Pergolizzi could be an stern taskmaster- but he also had enough saavy to resurrect football at Southeast Louisiana and brought in some very fine people- Hal Mummie; Woody Woodenhoffer.
Georgia Tech's Todd Stansbury has also proven to be a winner. As the Assistant AD at Oregon State- the Beavers are now National Champs in baseball and a have very fine football program that beats Southern Cal and routs Notre Dame in major bowls- whereas not long ago they might have been the worst major athletic program in the country.
Also- while ETSU is bringing in Ludacris- Oregon State is bringing in Jay Leno.
So- in a very, very longwinded way, the answer to "Who Replaces Mullins" is easy.
All you have to do is basically do a search and tell someone with administrative and fundraising skills and a football background (as Stansbury, Pergolizzi, and Fry all had) that you're giving him the keys.
No run ins with the golf coach. No penny pinching from above. You tell him he's got the green light and the dept. is his baby.
You do that- and you could get the man (or woman) who would legitimately turn ETSU into a Marshall, MTSU, South Florida, etc.
If not even better.
03-03-2007, 10:16 PM
Thought I'd bump this thread back up. Only one of use thought the Bucs would win more than 20 this season.
03-03-2007, 11:08 PM
That's because none of us knew how truly sorry the A-Sun would be.