From the Commercial Appeal:
Sound off: UofM vs. the SEC
August 7, 2005
As a Louisville fan, I have plenty of experience with the AutoZone Liberty Bowl.
Four appearances in the last 12 seasons put us in a quarter of the games since the bowl's resurgence. That said, I would love to see our relationship continue with the game in the Big East. If the Liberty were to align itself with the Big East and SEC, the third-place finisher from the Big East would be a viable bowl opponent for the SEC No. 6, and needless to say would be an outstanding event for bowl organizers.
As for the University of Memphis, it's nobody's fault but their own that they have never played in the game and just decided in the last five or so years that investing in their football program was something worth while.
It is not the responsibility of a bowl game to try to keep a desperate conference afloat. New C-USA, whether Memphians like it or not, is a severely weakened league in terms of national-market appeal, and the Liberty Bowl must do what is in its best interest for its short- and long-term survival.
Patrick Flynn
Louisville, Ky.
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This has LYes written all over it.
It obviously does not recall the 6-4-1 Rex Dockery team that Fud Dudley snubbed.
Deep_Out Wrote:Four appearances in the last 12 seasons put us in a quarter of the games since the bowl's resurgence.
:stupid:
4 out of 12 would be a third.
All the "writer" did was echo self defining sentiments.
Boring by now.
"It is not the responsibility of a bowl game to try to keep a desperate conference afloat. New C-USA, whether Memphians like it or not, is a severely weakened league in terms of national-market appeal, and the Liberty Bowl must do what is in its best interest for its short- and long-term survival. "
That paragraph is most likely right, however; that same definition could be given to the "new Big East" as much as to the "New C-USA", and charity begins at HOME.
Mimi Wrote:Deep_Out Wrote:Four appearances in the last 12 seasons put us in a quarter of the games since the bowl's resurgence.
:stupid:
4 out of 12 would be a third.
All the "writer" did was echo self defining sentiments.
Boring by now.
You're correct. That makes it even worse. You should write the CA and correct the statement.
SouthavenTiger Wrote:It obviously does not recall the 6-4-1 Rex Dockery team that Fud Dudley snubbed.
Well the LB ended up with Notre Dame vs Boston College that year. Hard to ever pass up on the Irish and BC was 9-2 going into that game. We didn't help ourselves either by getting tied by ASU the next to last game.
TigerTommy Wrote:SouthavenTiger Wrote:It obviously does not recall the 6-4-1 Rex Dockery team that Fud Dudley snubbed.
Well the LB ended up with Notre Dame vs Boston College that year. Hard to ever pass up on the Irish and BC was 9-2 going into that game. We didn't help ourselves either by getting tied by ASU the next to last game.
Your right on, TT!
Winning will take care of future Liberty Bowl (or any others for that matter) appearances.
Just keep on winning, baby...just keep on winning!
<span style='font-size:21pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>Go Tigers!</span></span>
TigerTommy Wrote:SouthavenTiger Wrote:It obviously does not recall the 6-4-1 Rex Dockery team that Fud Dudley snubbed.
Well the LB ended up with Notre Dame vs Boston College that year. Hard to ever pass up on the Irish and BC was 9-2 going into that game. We didn't help ourselves either by getting tied by ASU the next to last game.
That was not the only year Dudley snubbed Tiger football. There were teams with records of 8-2, 8-3, and 7-4 which were also ignored.
It is true that UofM (both the institution and our supporters)should have committed earlier to football. The political and financial powers of this community, due to some allegiances to Ole Miss and UT, have always been far more wlling to support basketball than football here. Spook Murphy spoke the truth many years ago when he publicly stated "there are many (powerful people) here who don't want Tiger football to succeed".
None of that matters now, as we are moving ahead, and C-USA is certainly not a "desperate" football conference.
Deep_Out Wrote:From the Commercial Appeal:
Sound off: UofM vs. the SEC
August 7, 2005
As a Louisville fan, I have plenty of experience with the AutoZone Liberty Bowl.
Four appearances in the last 12 seasons put us in a quarter of the games since the bowl's resurgence. That said, I would love to see our relationship continue with the game in the Big East. If the Liberty were to align itself with the Big East and SEC, the third-place finisher from the Big East would be a viable bowl opponent for the SEC No. 6, and needless to say would be an outstanding event for bowl organizers.
As for the University of Memphis, it's nobody's fault but their own that they have never played in the game and just decided in the last five or so years that investing in their football program was something worth while.
It is not the responsibility of a bowl game to try to keep a desperate conference afloat. New C-USA, whether Memphians like it or not, is a severely weakened league in terms of national-market appeal, and the Liberty Bowl must do what is in its best interest for its short- and long-term survival.
Patrick Flynn
Louisville, Ky.
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Desperate conference?
That's odd.
All the national magazines point out we gained more than we lost. Athlon ranks UTEP #24. Check Marshall's last six Bowl games and find several Big East teams beaten on their 5 year
bowl win streak.
The Big east will have to expand. 7 conference games make for complete confusion when fairness is searched for in league play.
And one wonders how a Uconn, Rutgers or :laugh: South Florida or Cincinnati would travel to Memphis. That's half the conference. :rofl:
And it's likely that one of those could be a #3, in a conference that is desperately seeking a bowl game.
Of course all the big East teams would draw more than
Memphis in the Liberty Bowl. :laugh:
Let's see the Big East lost BC, Miami, and Va. Tech, and gained Louisville, Cincy and S. FL. The same conference now has BB only schools versus football playing schools trying to make decisions that work for everyone. CUSA lost the 3 aforementioned schools going to the Big East and gained UCF (a wash with USF), Marshall and UTEP (Together better than one Louisville) (TCU and gained SMU - a wash) and a geographically positioned all sports conference with a title game. If we truly believe that football will end up ruling the day, then CUSA may be positioned to be the 7th conference and a case can be made that CUSA is actually positioned better than an 8 team B East. That is why we will probably have a 12 team Eastern Athletic Conference eventually develop that combines aspects of the B East and CUSA.
L-yes Wrote:Mimi Wrote:Deep_Out Wrote:Four appearances in the last 12 seasons put us in a quarter of the games since the bowl's resurgence.
:stupid:
4 out of 12 would be a third.
All the "writer" did was echo self defining sentiments.
Boring by now.
You're correct. That makes it even worse. You should write the CA and correct the statement.
Sorry, but it is not the C.A.'s responsibility to correct a letter written to the publication. The newspaper cannot help it if the writer cannot correctly calculate the numbers right. C.A. prints letters as it is written.
With you being a Louisville fan, you should be the one responsible for writing to your fellow Cardinal fan about the mistake.
:stupid:
First off. Why was this thread locked? Can we not have a decent discussion even if the matter may not be pretty?
OK, back to the main topic of the LB screwing us over. There are only two years I can flat out say the LB snubbed the Tigers since the game has been played in Memphis. 1969 and 1973. Every other year we had a good record one of our losses would be against some pitiful team or a small college like ASU but those two years can't be disputed.
:bang:
i know i am repeating myself, but the lb steps down a knotch if it takes the 6th or 7th sec instead of the cusa 1st. if 6 or 7 in the sec is so hot why does the weed whacker bowl still pay out only $750k.
the lb drops down with the likes of shreveport and ft worth with sec 6. vegas is getting mt west champ and should see an improvement in its bowl position. if houston gets the cusa champ watch that bowl take off as the liberty drops.
tigerkeep Wrote::bang:
i know i am repeating myself, but the lb steps down a knotch if it takes the 6th or 7th sec instead of the cusa 1st. if 6 or 7 in the sec is so hot why does the weed whacker bowl still pay out only $750k.
the lb drops down with the likes of shreveport and ft worth with sec 6. vegas is getting mt west champ and should see an improvement in its bowl position. if houston gets the cusa champ watch that bowl take off as the liberty drops.
I'd watch it with the weed whacker comment, lol. The Independance pays out almost the exact same as the LB. Of course the problem is the game is in Shreveport, lol.
IamSivad Wrote:Let's see the Big East lost BC, Miami, and Va. Tech, and gained Louisville, Cincy and S. FL. The same conference now has BB only schools versus football playing schools trying to make decisions that work for everyone. CUSA lost the 3 aforementioned schools going to the Big East and gained UCF (a wash with USF), Marshall and UTEP (Together better than one Louisville) (TCU and gained SMU - a wash) and a geographically positioned all sports conference with a title game. If we truly believe that football will end up ruling the day, then CUSA may be positioned to be the 7th conference and a case can be made that CUSA is actually positioned better than an 8 team B East. That is why we will probably have a 12 team Eastern Athletic Conference eventually develop that combines aspects of the B East and CUSA.
Can you really say TCU for SMU is a wash with a straight face?
fsquid Wrote:IamSivad Wrote:Let's see the Big East lost BC, Miami, and Va. Tech, and gained Louisville, Cincy and S. FL. The same conference now has BB only schools versus football playing schools trying to make decisions that work for everyone. CUSA lost the 3 aforementioned schools going to the Big East and gained UCF (a wash with USF), Marshall and UTEP (Together better than one Louisville) (TCU and gained SMU - a wash) and a geographically positioned all sports conference with a title game. If we truly believe that football will end up ruling the day, then CUSA may be positioned to be the 7th conference and a case can be made that CUSA is actually positioned better than an 8 team B East. That is why we will probably have a 12 team Eastern Athletic Conference eventually develop that combines aspects of the B East and CUSA.
Can you really say TCU for SMU is a wash with a straight face?
Hey, you didn't count SMU's museums. lol
Oh, they are in the same area so they cancel each other out. Well damn. TCU gets the edge then.
TigerTommy Wrote:tigerkeep Wrote::bang:
i know i am repeating myself, but the lb steps down a knotch if it takes the 6th or 7th sec instead of the cusa 1st. if 6 or 7 in the sec is so hot why does the weed whacker bowl still pay out only $750k.
the lb drops down with the likes of shreveport and ft worth with sec 6. vegas is getting mt west champ and should see an improvement in its bowl position. if houston gets the cusa champ watch that bowl take off as the liberty drops.
I'd watch it with the weed whacker comment, lol. The Independance pays out almost the exact same as the LB. Of course the problem is the game is in Shreveport, lol.
the 2003 Independence Bowl did have a record payout of $2.4M combined. However, I'm not sure that 2004 was near that as I'm not sure they ever got a title sponsor.
OneShiningMoment Wrote:C.A. prints letters as it is written.
:laugh:
Except when they edit it to serve a particular purpose. Like caulkins did to mine that one time.
Did the Liberty Bowl take us when we went 9-0-1 with the tie being against defending national champ Ole Miss?
Sure, the game didn't move to Memphis until 1965, but look who played in Philly when we were undefeated.
12/21/1963 Miss St. 16 - N.C. St. 12 Att. 8,309