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Western Michigan will play Nebraska in football next season. No the Cornhuskers are not making a return trip to Waldo Stadium, but this will be a terrific OOC game for the Broncos.

Azusa Pacific didn't want to make the trip to Lincoln? Good luck to the Broncos...a win is not an outlandish proposition..

I couldnt believe it when I read it in the paper last night. I am pretty excited about it. Turns out that Coach Cubit knows the Nebraska Associate Athletic Director and that is how the offer was made. Besides playing a big time program, we are going to get an 800k payout. Not too shabby.

Bronco stampede Wrote:I couldnt believe it when I read it in the paper last night. I am pretty excited about it. Turns out that Coach Cubit knows the Nebraska Associate Athletic Director and that is how the offer was made. Besides playing a big time program, we are going to get an 800k payout. Not too shabby.

Try and make the trip if you can. I missed both games NIU played there and regret it to this day.

I have a lot of respect for schools like WMU that are willing to play the traditional 1-A powers in the non conference schedule.....

Other bold MAC programs......

Akron
@Ohio State

Kent State
@Ohio State

Ball State
@Nebraska

Buffalo
@Penn State

EMU
@Michigan

NIU
Iowa

Ohio
@Virginia Tech

Temple
Penn State

WMU
@West Virginia


These are programs playing national powers in the OOC so they can be BCS contenders.

Airport KC Wrote:I have a lot of respect for schools like WMU that are willing to play the traditional 1-A powers in the non conference schedule.....

Other bold MAC programs......

Akron
@Ohio State

Ball State
@Nebraska

Buffalo
@Penn State

EMU
@Michigan

NIU
Iowa

Ohio
@Virginia Tech

Temple
Penn State

WMU
@West Virginia


These are programs playing national powers in the OOC so they can be BCS contenders.

Or more to the point, cash checks, making them less bold than practical. So applying all your football acumen, which of these road teams this year is a BCS contender except in someone's fantasy?
And you forgot KSU at OSU.

Airport KC Wrote:These are programs playing national powers in the OOC so they can be BCS contenders.

The schools playing perenial top-10 teams such as Ohio State and Michigan (I'll throw in Penn State and VaTech) are not attempting to be BCS contenders. Schools that play middle of the road BCS schools have a much better shot at becoming BCS contenders.

so far the non-bcs schools that have made it to bcs bowl games have not played the major powers. Take for example the non-conference schedules of these schools:

2006 Boise State (WAC):
Sacramento State W 45-0
Oregon State W 42-14
Wyoming W 17-10
@ Utah W 36-3

beat Oklahoma State in Fiesta Bowl (BCS)

2004 Utah (MTN West):
Texas A&M W 41-21
@ Arizona W 23-6
@ Utah State W 48-6
North Carolina W 46-16

beat Pitt in Fiesta Bowl (BCS)

Look for MAC schools that play 1-2 middle of the road BCS schools (preferably with 1 at home) and may have a cupcake at home to be more likely to be BCS contenders.

axeme Wrote:

Airport KC Wrote:I have a lot of respect for schools like WMU that are willing to play the traditional 1-A powers in the non conference schedule.....

Other bold MAC programs......

Akron
@Ohio State

Ball State
@Nebraska

Buffalo
@Penn State

EMU
@Michigan

NIU
Iowa

Ohio
@Virginia Tech

Temple
Penn State

WMU
@West Virginia


These are programs playing national powers in the OOC so they can be BCS contenders.

Or more to the point, cash checks, making them less bold than practical. So applying all your football acumen, which of these road teams this year is a BCS contender except in someone's fantasy?
And you forgot KSU at OSU.

My point is I don't think you can be a true national player unless you are willing to step and play somebody........and MAC schools out there are willing to do that.

The Big East is largely a sham as Rutgers, WVU, and Pitt do not play anyone in their combined 15 OOC games that is legitmate top 25 material.

You can expand this critique to basketball......Kent played Duke, Toledo played Kansas..........who did Ohio State play?

I would love to make the road trip to Nebraska. It all would depend on time off from work and if anyone else would go.

NickSkin Wrote:

Airport KC Wrote:These are programs playing national powers in the OOC so they can be BCS contenders.

The schools playing perenial top-10 teams such as Ohio State and Michigan (I'll throw in Penn State and VaTech) are not attempting to be BCS contenders. Schools that play middle of the road BCS schools have a much better shot at becoming BCS contenders.

so far the non-bcs schools that have made it to bcs bowl games have not played the major powers. Take for example the non-conference schedules of these schools:

This what I believed.....until I had a discussion with my uncle this past christmas.

My uncle is a big OU fan but not a graduate. He had been drinking heavily. He said that Ohio State had some lean years under Woody Hayes.....I responded by saying politely that an off year for OSU was 8 wins and a January Bowl game.

He told me this:

IF YOU AINT PLAYING FOR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS YOU AINT PLAYING FOR NOTHIN'

Then I thought to myself, is this man a total simpleton, the same man who sold his law firm to become senior partner in the most prestigous law firm in Dallas.......a man who sent his daughter to the University of Oklahoma so he could get student tickets to his favorite team?

He was a genius!

To prove their salt, Ohio State and Texas signed a series.....Southern Cal plays traditional SEC power Arkansas.......in this same vein the Bobcats have signed games with Virginia Tech, Ohio State, and Tennesse so we can build a presence as a top tier national program.

In Athens, we've been to a January bowl and we play for national championships.

Oxford does not play anybody.

Airport KC Wrote:You can expand this critique to basketball......Kent played Duke, Toledo played Kansas..........who did Ohio State play?

OSU played at UNC and at Florida. But why clutter your ideas up with reality?
(And we played at OSU and Butler as well.)
As for the BE teams, the need to play top 25 teams OOC decreases proportionatly when you play mulitple top 25 teams in conference. The MAC doesn't have that luxury, but I don't begrudge those teams who do.

axeme Wrote:As for the BE teams, the need to play top 25 teams OOC decreases proportionatly when you play mulitple top 25 teams in conference. The MAC doesn't have that luxury, but I don't begrudge those teams who do.

How do you know though who is top 25 and who isn't when they aren't testing themselves?

Is it Rutgers, West Virginia, and Louisville......

or is it Central Mich, Northern Ill., and Ohio.....


Okay, last season I say it was pretty obvious that Louisville was a top 25 team crushing MiamiFl, and basically everyone with their offense. Rutgers also did beat Ohio 24-7 as its best non conference win.

West Virginia beat Maryland, ECU, Marshall......crappy teams. They lose to Louisville, they lose to South Florida, and they beat Rutgers by 2 points. For their bowl game they beat a weak Georgia Tech team by 3 points.

How can you say WVU is worthy of a top 5 ranking? Central Michigan could have done just as well last year on WVU's schedule......ask the NFL they know its true.

Airport KC Wrote:

axeme Wrote:

Airport KC Wrote:I have a lot of respect for schools like WMU that are willing to play the traditional 1-A powers in the non conference schedule.....

Other bold MAC programs......

Akron
@Ohio State

Ball State
@Nebraska

Buffalo
@Penn State

EMU
@Michigan

NIU
Iowa

Ohio
@Virginia Tech

Temple
Penn State

WMU
@West Virginia


These are programs playing national powers in the OOC so they can be BCS contenders.

Or more to the point, cash checks, making them less bold than practical. So applying all your football acumen, which of these road teams this year is a BCS contender except in someone's fantasy?
And you forgot KSU at OSU.

My point is I don't think you can be a true national player unless you are willing to step and play somebody........and MAC schools out there are willing to do that.

The Big East is largely a sham as Rutgers, WVU, and Pitt do not play anyone in their combined 15 OOC games that is legitmate top 25 material.

You can expand this critique to basketball......Kent played Duke, Toledo played Kansas..........who did Ohio State play?

Airport,
How do you think Rutgers got a decent record ? When Miami, BC and Va. Tech left it opened doors. They play nobody.

Then they offered the rb who raped his step sister twice and was still offered a schollie by thier HC until the media got wind of it this year.. Since he took over they have had one murderer (CRIPS member), several sexual assaults and a dozen othere felons. With those guys I think he most formidable opponent would be the MEAN MACHINE.

Airport KC Wrote:In Athens, we've been to a January bowl and we play for national championships.

Oxford does not play anybody.

That's cute. I guess I missed it. Did OU win the national championship in Mobile last year? Who knew?
And here I thought the biggest MAC Bowl last year, one with an actual ranked opponent, was the San Diego Credit Union Bowl.
Yeah, you and 118 other teams play for national championships. Congratulations.

And Oxford has a rousing series with Cambridge every year in football. Big game!

Airport KC Wrote:

NickSkin Wrote:

Airport KC Wrote:

In Athens, we've been to a January bowl and we play for national championships.

Oxford does not play anybody.

Athens, Georgia? Hell yes the Bulldogs play for national championships.

Airport KC Wrote:To prove their salt, Ohio State and Texas signed a series.....Southern Cal plays traditional SEC power Arkansas.......in this same vein the Bobcats have signed games with Virginia Tech, Ohio State, and Tennesse so we can build a presence as a top tier national program.

In Athens, we've been to a January bowl and we play for national championships.

Oxford does not play anybody.

certainly you're kidding. You aren't really comparing Ohio University with Southern Cal or Ohio State or Texas are you? As for Ohio playing for national championships in football you must be dreaming. I can't remember that in any recent history books.

As to Miami not playing anybody. Well that's just not the case.

After the 2005 season, Miami (with 632 all-time wins) was the #18 all-time winning football team in Division IA football Only Michigan, Notre Dame, Texas, Nebraska, Alabama, Ohio State, Penn State, Oklahoma, Tennessee, USC, Georgia, Syracuse, LSU, Auburn, Colorado Washington and Texas A&M had more wins.

As for MAC Football Championships, it has 14 titles to Ohio's 6.

Since you're so excited about your series with VT...here's Miami's history with the Hokies: Miami is 1-0 vs Va.Tech with a 1997 win in Blacksburg.

This season Miami's entire 5 game non-conference schedule is packed with BCS opponents:

@ Colorado (Big12)
@ Minnesota (Big10)
@ Vanderbilt (SEC)
vs. Cincinnati (Big East)
vs. Syracuse (Big East)

so, when you mention Ohio's tremendous 2007 non-conference schedule (while stating that Miami doesn't play anybody) and attempt to champion it as something special, don't forget to add schools like Gardner Webb, Wyoming and Louisiana-Layfayette. Certainly those schools didn't recently join a BCS conference.

Every year Miami plays BCS schools including the likes of Ohio State and Michigan and has a respectable 7-12 record over a recent 10 year time period (with only 1 of those games in Oxford).

2005: Ohio State (0-1)
2004: Michigan, Iowa State (0-2)
2003: Iowa, Northwestern (1-1)
2002: North Carolina, Iowa, LSU (1-3)
2001: Michigan, Iowa (0-2)
2000: Vanderbilt, Ohio State (1-1)
1999: Northwestern, West Virginia (1-1)
1998: North Carolina (1-0)
1997: Virginia Tech (1-0)
1996: Indiana (0-1)
1995: Northwestern, Michigan (1-1)

I give the Bobcats credit as Ohio has in fact played more BCS schools during that time and has also had only 1 home game but has endured only a 4-20 record.

2005: Northwestern, Pitt, Va.Tech (1-2)
2004: Pitt, Kentucky (1-1)
2003: Iowa State, Minnesota, Kentucky (0-3)
2002: Pitt, Florida (0-2)
2001: W.Virginia, Iowa State, NC State (0-3)
2000: Iowa State, Minnesota (1-1)
1999: Minnesota, Ohio State (0-2)
1998: NC State, Wisconsin (0-2)
1997: Maryland, Kansas State (1-1)
1996: Northwestern (0-1)
1995: Iowa State, North Carolina (0-2)

The main difference between the two schools (other than the fact that Miami has more BCS wins) is that Miami played perenial powerhouses Ohio State, Michigan and LSU a combined 6 times while Ohio played only 2 "powerhouse" games (Ohio State, Florida) during that same time span. Not surprisingly, neither team has won any of those games.

As to the MAC, over the past 16 years (since 1990), Miami's had only 2 seasons with a sub-.500 record (2006 and 1993). Just the opposite is the case with Ohio as its had 10 sub .500 seasons over the past 16 years.

In the future, you'll still see Miami playing "powerhouse" schools such as Michigan (2008) and Florida (2010) but the Redhawks are formulating non-conference schedules similar to those of 2006 Boise and 2004 Utah; playing middle of the road BCS schools (such as Vanderbilt, Minnesota, Colorado and Syracuse) and having those same schools make trips to Oxford (Syracuse in 2007, Vandy & Minnesota in 2008, Colorado in 2009) while mixing in 1-1 deals with respectable non-BCS schools like Boise and Colorado State. Further, it will still continue to play home/away with Cincinnati, which now claims to be a BCS school.

So before you start touting Ohio as building towards a "top tier as a national program", perhaps Ohio should start putting together some consecutive season when it wins more than half its games in the MAC. And before you state that "Oxford doesn't play anybody" check around.

Atta boy Nick, you tell em. Except, you left out the part that they got this new coach named Montgomery. And if this season is like last years....

Airport KC Wrote:

axeme Wrote:

Airport KC Wrote:I have a lot of respect for schools like WMU that are willing to play the traditional 1-A powers in the non conference schedule.....

Other bold MAC programs......

Akron
@Ohio State

Ball State
@Nebraska

Buffalo
@Penn State

EMU
@Michigan

NIU
Iowa

Ohio
@Virginia Tech

Temple
Penn State

WMU
@West Virginia


These are programs playing national powers in the OOC so they can be BCS contenders.

Or more to the point, cash checks, making them less bold than practical. So applying all your football acumen, which of these road teams this year is a BCS contender except in someone's fantasy?
And you forgot KSU at OSU.

My point is I don't think you can be a true national player unless you are willing to step and play somebody........and MAC schools out there are willing to do that.

The Big East is largely a sham as Rutgers, WVU, and Pitt do not play anyone in their combined 15 OOC games that is legitmate top 25 material.

You can expand this critique to basketball......Kent played Duke, Toledo played Kansas..........who did Ohio State play?

OSU played UNC,UF,and a University of Tennessee team that went 26-10 during the OOC portion of their schedule.

Toledo's schedules are being worked on through 2013.Some new OOC deals will be forthcoming.
Right now the OOC schedules look like::

2007:
09/01 Purdue
09/15 @Kansas
09/22 Iowa State
10/06 Liberty(Homecoming)

2008:
09/02 @Arizona
09/20 Fresno State
09/27 FIU

2009:
09/05 @Purdue
09/12 Boise State
09/19 Ohio State(Cleveland)
09/26 @FIU

2010:
08/28 @Purdue
09/04 Arizona
09/11 @Boise State

2011:
09/10 @Ohio State

2012:
09/01 @Arizona

Airport KC Wrote:To prove their salt, Ohio State and Texas signed a series.....Southern Cal plays traditional SEC power Arkansas.......in this same vein the Bobcats have signed games with Virginia Tech, Ohio State, and Tennesse so we can build a presence as a top tier national program.

Youngstown State has scheduled games with Penn State and Ohio State. Are they also building their presence as a top national program? Whether you're talking about Ohio or YSU, I see the same motive for playing these games -- a paycheck.