thats kind of the scary part, it could have been anyone...the bartender gives you a drink before some guys girlfriend so he preceeds to beat you to death? youve got to be kidding me!
and charge the girlfriend who complained to the obviously violence prone boyfriend as an accessory or something.
You have to believe there are murder charges coming on this one.
The victim was a soccer coach down at the high school in Shabbona. It's a loss for the family and for those kids as well.
These stories are getting more and more common in Dekalb. I am starting to feel that some pressure needs to be applied to the local law enforcement to step it up a bit. Maybe more of a presence at closing time would help.
As for the assailant(s) your totally right, throw away the key. I can just hear his prison story now , "yeah this punk got a drink before my lady, he just had to die". (cue career criminals raping Shrank)
IAhuskie Wrote:These stories are getting more and more common in Dekalb. I am starting to feel that some pressure needs to be applied to the local law enforcement to step it up a bit. Maybe more of a presence at closing time would help.
As for the assailant(s) your totally right, throw away the key. I can just hear his prison story now , "yeah this punk got a drink before my lady, he just had to die". (cue career criminals raping Shrank)
borrowing from Sublime..."can't take pity on men of his kind eventhough he now takes it in the behind"
The one proven way to reduce crime is more police. A stepped up presence around closing time and/or patrolling near the bars a little more heavily is in order.
Ahhh good tune....(rendition/ substitute "he") he didn't want to ..he didn't want to ..he didn't want to ....TAKE IT!
I guess it's my obligation to ask the same question HMM did on our board:
Is it safe to come to Dekalb?
as true as it is to add more police, to do so would cost more money from the tax payers, because when you stop to think about the ratio of officers to citizens, its sick. personally a tax hike would do the world well if it could prevent things like this from happening. my heart goes out to the family and i hope they get the justice they are looking for eventhough it will never bring him back.
UT__Rockets Wrote:I guess it's my obligation to ask the same question HMM did on our board:
Is it safe to come to Dekalb?
I got your back buddy!
UT__Rockets Wrote:I guess it's my obligation to ask the same question HMM did on our board:
Is it safe to come to Dekalb?
Not at all, at least not in the past two years.
Have to think there's a case for first degree murder here:
"(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
(3) he is attempting or committing a forcible felony
other than second degree murder. "
Looks like there's intent to do great bodily harm from what's published. Waiting outside with a group and beating someone that severely is all you need.
And I think there's no question the girl and the rest of the goon squad should be charged as well...
"Sec. 5‑2. When accountability exists.
A person is legally accountable for the conduct of another when:
(a) Having a mental state described by the statute defining the offense, he causes another to perform the conduct, and the other person in fact or by reason of legal incapacity lacks such a mental state; or
(b) The statute defining the offense makes him so accountable; or
© Either before or during the commission of an offense, and with the intent to promote or facilitate such commission, he solicits, aids, abets, agrees or attempts to aid, such other person in the planning or commission of the offense. However, a person is not so accountable, unless the statute defining the offense provides otherwise, if:
(1) He is a victim of the offense committed; or
(2) The offense is so defined that his conduct was inevitably incident to its commission; or
(3) Before the commission of the offense, he terminates his effort to promote or facilitate such commission, and does one of the following: wholly deprives his prior efforts of effectiveness in such commission, or gives timely warning to the proper law enforcement authorities, or otherwise makes proper effort to prevent the commission of the offense."
DogTracks Wrote:Have to think there's a case for first degree murder here:
"(a) A person who kills an individual without lawful justification commits first degree murder if, in performing the acts which cause the death:
(1) he either intends to kill or do great bodily harm to that individual or another, or knows that such acts will cause death to that individual or another; or
(2) he knows that such acts create a strong probability of death or great bodily harm to that individual or another; or
(3) he is attempting or committing a forcible felony
other than second degree murder. "
Looks like there's intent to do great bodily harm from what's published. Waiting outside with a group and beating someone that severely is all you need.
And I think there's no question the girl and the rest of the goon squad should be charged as well...
"Sec. 5‑2. When accountability exists.
A person is legally accountable for the conduct of another when:
(a) Having a mental state described by the statute defining the offense, he causes another to perform the conduct, and the other person in fact or by reason of legal incapacity lacks such a mental state; or
(b) The statute defining the offense makes him so accountable; or
© Either before or during the commission of an offense, and with the intent to promote or facilitate such commission, he solicits, aids, abets, agrees or attempts to aid, such other person in the planning or commission of the offense. However, a person is not so accountable, unless the statute defining the offense provides otherwise, if:
(1) He is a victim of the offense committed; or
(2) The offense is so defined that his conduct was inevitably incident to its commission; or
(3) Before the commission of the offense, he terminates his effort to promote or facilitate such commission, and does one of the following: wholly deprives his prior efforts of effectiveness in such commission, or gives timely warning to the proper law enforcement authorities, or otherwise makes proper effort to prevent the commission of the offense."
I hope they can get a murder charge.
its not first degree murder. there was no premeditation to kill. yes, he did go there to fight. it will prob be charged as 2nd degree murder, and if i had to guess a plea bargain will be offered and will be downgraded to manslaughter.
BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:UT__Rockets Wrote:I guess it's my obligation to ask the same question HMM did on our board:
Is it safe to come to Dekalb?
Not at all, at least not in the past two years.
barfights occur in the richest cities in the world. they occur in the most rundown podunk towns. wherever alcohol is served and you have young drunk males, they will continue to happen.
either way, this kid has to now live the rest of his life knowing he killed another human being for NO REASON! if he doesn't get atleast 25 years Id be shocked
niuhuskie84 Wrote:BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:UT__Rockets Wrote:I guess it's my obligation to ask the same question HMM did on our board:
Is it safe to come to Dekalb?
Not at all, at least not in the past two years.
barfights occur in the richest cities in the world. they occur in the most rundown podunk towns. wherever alcohol is served and you have young drunk males, they will continue to happen.
I don't mean the bar fights. I'm talking about the shootings, the muggings, those type of things.
NIU32 Wrote:either way, this kid has to now live the rest of his life knowing he killed another human being for NO REASON! if he doesn't get atleast 25 years Id be shocked
i know a police officer and i asked him. he said he is looking at a minimum of 5-10 years. if he has a good lawyer, a few may come off. it all depends how the states attorneys office decides to procede. the cop said he knew of a similar incident where a father punched another father at a little league game and killed him. he didnt even get a felony.
but there was premeditation to cause great bodily harm. Even if the initial intent was to just "rough him up a little" lines are crossed instantaneously. If the victim was struck repeatedly then I'd say there's intent for great harm.
Looking at what makes for 2nd degree murder in the ILCS...neither mitigating factor is there
"(1) At the time of the killing he is acting under a sudden and intense passion resulting from serious provocation by the individual killed or another whom the offender endeavors to kill, but he negligently or accidentally causes the death of the individual killed; or
(2) At the time of the killing he believes the circumstances to be such that, if they existed, would justify or exonerate the killing under the principles stated in Article 7 of this Code, but his belief is unreasonable."
I think the defense would want 2d degree as their worst case scenario, and hope for manslaughter. And this whole thing could end up with a plea to manslaughter. But from what's in the press, it looks to me like 1st degree murder is an option.
Anyone here with a prosecution background want to weigh in?
Has anyone been to Rileys ? I haven't been there since it was the bar, just wondering what it's like now.