Liam9903 Wrote:First Patton and now Ore. Is there some reason that MAC schools are trying to hire coaches that were fired at power confrences after modest success at best?
I don't know why any MAC AD would think that this would be a good hire. Look at Jim Boone at Eastern Michigan or that sinking ship that Ronny Thompson is running if you want to know why its important to hire a coach with some connections to your area.
Well, as far as I know, our AD has never made a major mistake during his limited time in DeKalb. He also is a basketball guy so I trust his instincts.
Redwingtom Wrote:axeme Wrote:BGDrew Wrote:axeme Wrote:Talking about an axe to grind: all Vandelay did was link an article in the Blade and made no comment on it whatsoever.
Can we say random knee jerk reaction?
What do you mean he made no comment whatsoever? What was this:
Vandelay Wrote:I hope this is true for Falcon hoop fans. This would be a serious upgrade from the guy you had over the past decade.
Seemed like a flat observation to me: a guy from a high major program who has taken his team to levels Dakich was unable to. Whatever you think of DD, and I really enjoyed him, actually, Orr accomplished more in one of, if not the toughest basketball conference in the country than Dan did at BG, even relatively speaking. A coach who has proven he can win in the Big East is a serious upgrade from a guy who was around .500 in the MAC. Don't know why that is taken as disrespect, except that you don't like who said it.
It is not just this one comment. Vandelay lost all credibility on this subject with his rant on the Buffalo fiasco.
Vandelay has lost credibility on most if not all areas of the MAC. This is nothing new.
If you look at it from a different perspective I think Dakich certainly destroyed what he built during the first 5 years in the last 5 years of his reign. So we're pretty much left with what we had before he took the job in my opinion.
As a BG fan I certainly think Orr would be an upgrade from Dakich.
1) He played in the NBA for 8 seasons. Now how many coaches in the MAC have played in the NBA? None come to the top of my head at the moment. And to a potential recruit knowing that a coach has played in the NBA, he knows what it takes to get there, and that's a dream every college basketball player has to play in the NBA. God knows we need help in recruiting and getting people in the stands and a coach like Orr I think would help both of those areas.
2) He's African-American and that will certainly help in relating to players such as Otis Polk, etc. For some reason I've always felt that Dakich lacked that ability to be able to relate to players like that. But I guess that's what he had Lamonta Stone for to do that. But Orr is a coach with a "hip-hop" flavor as some people have described him and honestly something like that would definitely help in relating to the kids and keeping players from transferring.
3) He coached at a big-time conference school and just the name recognition I feel he has will have a positive effect on the national exposure that BG could get. He was Big East Coach of the Year for cryin' out loud.
4) All the former players that have played for him have all said good things about him. I never once heard a negative comment about Orr. He is a very humble & likable guy that I think everyone in the MAC fans, coaches, and players will like.
I certainly thank Dakich for all that he's done, but it's time to move on and rebuild this once proud program and raise it up from the dead.
Cheers
Bingo, mossmaidi.
Dead on.
He should never have been fired at Seton Hall. That reflects much more on their AD than him. He was 18-12 at Seton Hall and took the team to the NCAA out of the Big East with all his own players! "Sorry, Louis, just not good enough for Seton Hall." His firing was a joke.
Liam9903 Wrote:First Patton and now Ore. Is there some reason that MAC schools are trying to hire coaches that were fired at power confrences after modest success at best?
Maybe we should go after Stan Heath instead.
Seriously.
Vandelay Wrote:Kind of interesting that I post an article about a posisble BG candidate and strongly support this hiring if it happens for the good of the MAC and BG basketball and still get creamed by a few BG fans here.
We have long memories.
We remember five years ago, when Dan Dakich won the MAC regular season title.
And we remember posts from a month ago.
axeme Wrote:Bingo, mossmaidi.
Dead on.
He should never have been fired at Seton Hall. That reflects much more on their AD than him. He was 18-12 at Seton Hall and took the team to the NCAA out of the Big East with all his own players! "Sorry, Louis, just not good enough for Seton Hall." His firing was a joke.
I don't think any of us has the full scoop on why Orr was dumped by Seton Hall. To flatly state he never should have been fired seems a bit presumptive. To assume he'd do well at BG because he enjoyed some moderate success at Seton Hall seems a tad presumptive as well.
Orr was great at Michigan, until Magic took over at MSU. What about Judd Heathcoate? Is he in the running? Oh Wait....
Orr is a solid head coach. Seton Hall is a coaching graveyard. BGSU would be in good shape with him. The ability to get a coach with experience and stay within MAC budgets is key. Could be a bargin.
Schadenfreude Wrote:Vandelay Wrote:Kind of interesting that I post an article about a posisble BG candidate and strongly support this hiring if it happens for the good of the MAC and BG basketball and still get creamed by a few BG fans here.
We have long memories.
We remember five years ago, when Dan Dakich won the MAC regular season title.
And we remember posts from a month ago.
Long, fuzzy memories, apparently. It was 6 years ago. ;-)
Liam9903 Wrote:First Patton and now Ore. Is there some reason that MAC schools are trying to hire coaches that were fired at power confrences after modest success at best?
I don't know why any MAC AD would think that this would be a good hire. Look at Jim Boone at Eastern Michigan or that sinking ship that Ronny Thompson is running if you want to know why its important to hire a coach with some connections to your area.
Patton was NOT fired. He resigned PRIOR to the start of last year.
Louis Orr is a chance worth taking at Bowling Green, and I commend BG for at least giving an effort to find an established Division 1 coach.
All the MAC is asking out of BG is to play good schedules and play them competitively.
Quote:Boone and Thompson had trouble recruiting in areas they have no primary experience,
Don't know about Boone, but since Thompson didn't arrive at Ball State last year until the recruiting season was all but over, it is premature to draw such a conclusion. It would be best perhaps to wait until he has at least his first class of recruits before making such a definitive statement.
Airport KC Wrote:All the MAC is asking out of BG is to play good schedules and play them competitively.
Jimminy Christmas.
Airport KC Wrote:All the MAC is asking out of BG is to play good schedules and play them competitively.
Like, say, Marshall?
Liam9903 Wrote:First Patton and now Ore. Is there some reason that MAC schools are trying to hire coaches that were fired at power confrences after modest success at best?
I don't know why any MAC AD would think that this would be a good hire. Look at Jim Boone at Eastern Michigan or that sinking ship that Ronny Thompson is running if you want to know why its important to hire a coach with some connections to your area.
You can find examples both ways. Hardly a compelling argument. Especially since Thompson didn't have HC experience prior to Ball St.
Getting fired after being 18-12 in a tough conference, and a NCAA bid? That's pretty dodgy, and I'd definitely take a look at that.
Buckley left BSU in a horrid mess. Thompson should get a total pass on this past season with the mess and lack of recruiting time he had. I think a lot of animosity towards his father is showing up here. Why is everyone coming down so hard on him and giving other new coaches in the conference free passes on mediocre seasons?
As for Orr, I followed this situation last year, and by all accounts, he is a class guy who was doing a fine job, but some alums pressured and the AD decided that Seton Hall should be at the top of the Big East all the time. Personally, I think that is ridiculous for that program and will lead to a revolving door of coaches and an on-going mess of a record there. Seton Hall perhaps has the weakest or near weakest fan support in the conference and does not have quite the resources for the program of many of the other schools. That they can be a winning program with a peak year added in periodically would seem to be a reasonable goal, but as we know, many fans and AD's are unreasonsable.
Airport KC Wrote:All the MAC is asking out of BG is to play good schedules and play them competitively.
We did play a good schedule and we played in some of them competitively.
Pulltown Falcon Wrote:Airport KC Wrote:All the MAC is asking out of BG is to play good schedules and play them competitively.
We did play a good schedule and we played in some of them competitively.
Well, I wouldn't call it "good." It was pretty weak, really, though not that much different from most of the MAC. SOS was 195. Better than EMU and CMU and close to the majority of MAC teams who were 175+.
Only KSU, UT, Miami, Ohio, and WMU had measurably better schedules.
While one could argue that the SOS is irrelevant if the team stinks anyway, and that's a good point, it's clear that the conference needs to up it's scheduling strength so that every team in the conference is in the top half nationally (168 or better). Sadly, another reason the SOS's are so low is that everyone had to play so many poor teams in conference.
94--Miami
122--Ohio
123--Toledo
134--KSU
135-WMU
178--Akron
179--Ball St.
180--NIU
182--Buffalo
195--BG
196--EMU
212--CMU