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RobertN Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:
freehuskie Wrote:Since when is being a young republican or a member of the campus crusade for christ an accomplishment?
I would say that both rank with walking upright and the latter with breathing stale air. Both major accomplishments in NIU's campus politik.

I'll speak to the members of Campus Crusade for Christ... It is an accomplishment when young men can stand up for their faith without apology on a liberal, secular campus at a time in our Nations history when morality, virtue and faith are humiliated while promiscuity, drunkenness and all mater of paganism is exhalted. I respect principled men - who gladly defer pleasure to honor Godly standard while the masses rush into folly.

If you really want to be a counter-culture figure on a college campus - GO TO CHURCH.
A couple things, you and if they are anything like you, you speak for "Jesus Camp" "Christians" not REAL Christians. Also, does one have to go to church to be a good Christian? Can someone who reads/studies and generally lives their life by the Bible?

I don't understand the first part of your statement. I'm not sure what Jesus Camp is, either...

You can answer your own question regarding church attendance by asking yourself the same question regarding attending school and the teacher-student relationship. Aren't we enriched when we submit ourselves to learning and surround ourselves with others who also want to learn. When we imerse ourselves in a learning environment, we have a lot more exposure to receiving knowledge.

I can grow in my faith and knowledge more in the presence of others (church leaders and peers) that if I were to sit home by myself and read my bible. To argue otherwise is counter-intuitive.

BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:
freehuskie Wrote:Since when is being a young republican or a member of the campus crusade for christ an accomplishment?
I would say that both rank with walking upright and the latter with breathing stale air. Both major accomplishments in NIU's campus politik.

I'll speak to the members of Campus Crusade for Christ... It is an accomplishment when young men can stand up for their faith without apology on a liberal, secular campus at a time in our Nations history when morality, virtue and faith are humiliated while promiscuity, drunkenness and all mater of paganism is exhalted. I respect principled men - who gladly defer pleasure to honor Godly standard while the masses rush into folly.

If you really want to be a counter-culture figure on a college campus - GO TO CHURCH.
What happens when someone stands up for their faith and then gets assualted because they do not belive some long haired hippie is our savior?

Sounds like you ran into a nutjob. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater because someone got overly emotional. Just because you had a bad experience with someone who feels differently than you doesn't mean you turn your back on the whole thing.

It's not about someone who may have assaulted you. It's about Jesus of Nazareth. Is He who he claimed to be (Lord), or is he a Liar, or is he a Lunatic? He has to be either Lord, Liar or Lunatic. You are the one who has to figure that one out for yourself. You've been given a tremendous gift of free will by the God that created you. He isn't going to force you to love him - or even believe in Him. You also live in a country where you can be as beligerant as you want an not have to worry about getting your head cut off in the public square.

Now the ball is in your court. You can either do your homework to find out if Jesus is the real deal or not. Are you afraid to find out the truth?

freehuskie Wrote:Since when is being a young republican or a member of the campus crusade for christ an accomplishment?
I would say that both rank with walking upright and the latter with breathing stale air. Both major accomplishments in NIU's campus politik.

It might not be a huge accomplishment, but it speaks about a persons character. If you had to pick someone to trust, would you pick the person who is active within the church and the community, or would you rather trust the person who has nothing that tells you about his character.

Kedzman Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:[quote="freehuskie"]Since when is being a young republican or a member of the campus crusade for christ an accomplishment?
I would say that both rank with walking upright and the latter with breathing stale air. Both major accomplishments in NIU's campus politik.

I'll speak to the members of Campus Crusade for Christ... It is an accomplishment when young men can stand up for their faith without apology on a liberal, secular campus at a time in our Nations history when morality, virtue and faith are humiliated while promiscuity, drunkenness and all mater of paganism is exhalted. I respect principled men - who gladly defer pleasure to honor Godly standard while the masses rush into folly.

If you really want to be a counter-culture figure on a college campus - GO TO CHURCH.
A couple things, you and if they are anything like you, you speak for "Jesus Camp" "Christians" not REAL Christians. Also, does one have to go to church to be a good Christian? Can someone who reads/studies and generally lives their life by the Bible?

freehuskie Wrote:Since when is being a young republican an accomplishment?

Short answer to this: IT ISN'T!

Being a "young republican" is a personal preference, nothing more!

Man, talk about an off-topic, complete hijacking.........

:banned:

niubrad00 Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:[quote="freehuskie"]Since when is being a young republican or a member of the campus crusade for christ an accomplishment?
I would say that both rank with walking upright and the latter with breathing stale air. Both major accomplishments in NIU's campus politik.

I'll speak to the members of Campus Crusade for Christ... It is an accomplishment when young men can stand up for their faith without apology on a liberal, secular campus at a time in our Nations history when morality, virtue and faith are humiliated while promiscuity, drunkenness and all mater of paganism is exhalted. I respect principled men - who gladly defer pleasure to honor Godly standard while the masses rush into folly.

If you really want to be a counter-culture figure on a college campus - GO TO CHURCH.
A couple things, you and if they are anything like you, you speak for "Jesus Camp" "Christians" not REAL Christians. Also, does one have to go to church to be a good Christian? Can someone who reads/studies and generally lives their life by the Bible?

I don't understand the first part of your statement. I'm not sure what Jesus Camp is, either...

You can answer your own question regarding church attendance by asking yourself the same question regarding attending school and the teacher-student relationship. Aren't we enriched when we submit ourselves to learning and surround ourselves with others who also want to learn. When we imerse ourselves in a learning environment, we have a lot more exposure to receiving knowledge.

I can grow in my faith and knowledge more in the presence of others (church leaders and peers) that if I were to sit home by myself and read my bible. To argue otherwise is counter-intuitive.[/quote]

So are you trying to say that it is impossible for one to grow their faith alone rather than being with a group of people?

While that may work best for YOU and get the best results for YOU, it seems pretty close minded to say that's how it must be for others.

Brad - I never used the words "impossible" or "must" in my statement. I am simply using logic. If I wanted to learn to be an electrician, for example, it is logical that I would yield better results if I fell under the instruction as an apprentice of a skilled, experienced tradesman. Could I learn by myself from a book? Sure. But who would you rather hire to wire your house? Someone who is self taught or professionally trained?

I'm not being close-minded. I'm just being logical. There are people who are very defensive about not going to church, not reading their Bible, not fellowshiping with other believers, not falling under the accountability of wiser men etc. Why is it than when the topic of religion & faith is introduced, people lose their ability to be logical and objective?

If one of our NIU football players decided to "drop out" of practicing with the team and coaches, we would think that he were being naive, irresponsible and foolish to think that he could gain the same type of athletic performance by practicing at home on his own. None of us would be "close-minded" for advising him to rejoin the team and coaches.

huskiebob Wrote:
freehuskie Wrote:Since when is being a young republican an accomplishment?

Short answer to this: IT ISN'T!

Being a "young republican" is a personal preference, nothing more!

I would boast all the same if a member of our fraternity were the President of the College Democrats. The accomplishment is in the office that he has earned by the vote of his peers and the investment of time and intellect to hold the office. It isn't about political affiliation. It's about the accomplishment of the position.

HuskieDave Wrote:Man, talk about an off-topic, complete hijacking.........

:banned:

I'm just answering peoples emotional accusations with reason and logic. Got a problem with that? Just watch - within a few more posts, someone who can't keep up with my reasoning will lock or ask for this thread to be locked.

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RobertN Wrote:
nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:
HuskiemobileMan Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:
epasnoopy Wrote:I voted Fatty's in 3 different categories (best bar, best burger, and best place to watch sports).

Best Kept Secret: NIU Football (seriously, DeKalb/Sycamore town-folk are lacking in support of NIU in general)

You'll never guess what won "Best Kept Secret"...

Sigma Nu Fraternity
stuffing the ballot box.

honestly its not a diss toward Sigma Nu but if thats true then im completely surprised because no one likes the greeks on this campus i mean my fraternity one 2 IFC awards (Most Congenial Chapter, and Honorable Mention best Chapter) and people still think that all fraternities are nothing but Drunks basically
I agree nobody likes frats. The reason is over the years, the actions of many of the frats has been dismal. Yes, many still think they are drunk 24/7. Nothing these groups have done over the years had done much to change this view. How many have been :banned: over the last 10 years? Why?

I hate those perceptions. The fraternity I'm in, Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, so far this year has gone singing at the retirement home in DeKalb. Over winter break we went and sang at La Rabida Children's Hospital, we plan on having 1 or 2 more trips to those kind of places. Not to mention that we went to sing to the sororities the week before finals last semester to serenade them and maybe let them take a break from their studies........not this wasn't like sings or sing backs. We sang Christmas carols and a few traditional fraternity songs. Also we are stage crew for the Heartland International Tattoo, which is a show that is going to be in the Convo March 31 and April 1.

So I HATE, how there is that perception of all the fraternities on campus. There are a select few (mostly on greek row) that give a bad rap to all fraternities. However we are trying to change that stereotype as much as possible.

HuskieDave Wrote:Man, talk about an off-topic, complete hijacking.........

:banned:

The Kedzman "Thread Highjacking Count" is now at 1067 and still counting!

lmfao

huskiebob Wrote:
HuskieDave Wrote:Man, talk about an off-topic, complete hijacking.........

:banned:

The Kedzman "Thread Highjacking Count" is now at 1067 and still counting!

lmfao

Just curious... At what point in this thread, in your opinion, did I highjack it? Or, upon further examination, did someone else take this thread in the wrong direction?

I'll just answer that question. The comment about the fraternity as the "Best Kept Secret" was very predictable coming from Kedz. Not sure if that's hijacking. Pretty funny that the frat president didn't know whether to be happy or offended. lmfao

The comments then were predictably diverted to fraternities, one of Kedz's 2 favorite topics. Then Trav mentioned the Campus Crusade among other things, and somebody else said that wasn't an accomplishment. Kedz naturally picked up on that and here we are. Not the usual blatant hijack, just a gentle twisting to bring us to where we are now, which is, that most of us are going to hell because we don't agree with the church. ;-)

Time for me to put my 2 cents in. All greek-lettered orgs., regardless of being in IFC, Panhell, NPHC(black greek orgs), and Professional greek orgs. are all lumped together. I'm an alum of a co-ed fraternity(frority to greeks) and people lumped us with the social greeks. Unfortunately, the perception from the media towards greek orgs shows us as drunks and partiers.

BTW-How much are tickets for the EMU/NIU game and can y'all let me know when it is? I might as well watch EMU get pounded again.

tubaguy21 Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:
nnhsniuhuskies37 Wrote:
HuskiemobileMan Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:
epasnoopy Wrote:I voted Fatty's in 3 different categories (best bar, best burger, and best place to watch sports).

Best Kept Secret: NIU Football (seriously, DeKalb/Sycamore town-folk are lacking in support of NIU in general)

You'll never guess what won "Best Kept Secret"...

Sigma Nu Fraternity
stuffing the ballot box.

honestly its not a diss toward Sigma Nu but if thats true then im completely surprised because no one likes the greeks on this campus i mean my fraternity one 2 IFC awards (Most Congenial Chapter, and Honorable Mention best Chapter) and people still think that all fraternities are nothing but Drunks basically
I agree nobody likes frats. The reason is over the years, the actions of many of the frats has been dismal. Yes, many still think they are drunk 24/7. Nothing these groups have done over the years had done much to change this view. How many have been :banned: over the last 10 years? Why?

I hate those perceptions. The fraternity I'm in, Phi Mu Alpha Sinfonia, so far this year has gone singing at the retirement home in DeKalb. Over winter break we went and sang at La Rabida Children's Hospital, we plan on having 1 or 2 more trips to those kind of places. Not to mention that we went to sing to the sororities the week before finals last semester to serenade them and maybe let them take a break from their studies........not this wasn't like sings or sing backs. We sang Christmas carols and a few traditional fraternity songs. Also we are stage crew for the Heartland International Tattoo, which is a show that is going to be in the Convo March 31 and April 1.

So I HATE, how there is that perception of all the fraternities on campus. There are a select few (mostly on greek row) that give a bad rap to all fraternities. However we are trying to change that stereotype as much as possible.

Hey, if you can change the perception, more power to you but based on the number of them that have been in trouble and kicked out in the years I went to NIU(approx '96-2001) I am having problems believing most are not the same today. There was that black frat that just had that party at the HSC and we all know what happened there. Pot and fights. Just doesn't seem to that anything has changes. I am sure there are some good individuals but overall, until the throwing of urine and feces on pledges and these fights stop, I will not believe any different.

EMUTRACK1574 Wrote:Time for me to put my 2 cents in. All greek-lettered orgs., regardless of being in IFC, Panhell, NPHC(black greek orgs), and Professional greek orgs. are all lumped together. I'm an alum of a co-ed fraternity(frority to greeks) and people lumped us with the social greeks. Unfortunately, the perception from the media towards greek orgs shows us as drunks and partiers.

BTW-How much are tickets for the EMU/NIU game and can y'all let me know when it is? I might as well watch EMU get pounded again.

I feel this way based on actual incidents. Yes, to me a frat is a frat. If someone can prove to me that out of all the numerous frats(and sororities) that are differences from social what ever the hell the other kind is in the ones that have been kicked out of NIU, I will listed. My guess right now is a frat is a frat and will always be frats.

Kedzman Wrote:
niubrad00 Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:
RobertN Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:[quote="freehuskie"]Since when is being a young republican or a member of the campus crusade for christ an accomplishment?
I would say that both rank with walking upright and the latter with breathing stale air. Both major accomplishments in NIU's campus politik.

I'll speak to the members of Campus Crusade for Christ... It is an accomplishment when young men can stand up for their faith without apology on a liberal, secular campus at a time in our Nations history when morality, virtue and faith are humiliated while promiscuity, drunkenness and all mater of paganism is exhalted. I respect principled men - who gladly defer pleasure to honor Godly standard while the masses rush into folly.

If you really want to be a counter-culture figure on a college campus - GO TO CHURCH.
A couple things, you and if they are anything like you, you speak for "Jesus Camp" "Christians" not REAL Christians. Also, does one have to go to church to be a good Christian? Can someone who reads/studies and generally lives their life by the Bible?

I don't understand the first part of your statement. I'm not sure what Jesus Camp is, either...

You can answer your own question regarding church attendance by asking yourself the same question regarding attending school and the teacher-student relationship. Aren't we enriched when we submit ourselves to learning and surround ourselves with others who also want to learn. When we imerse ourselves in a learning environment, we have a lot more exposure to receiving knowledge.

I can grow in my faith and knowledge more in the presence of others (church leaders and peers) that if I were to sit home by myself and read my bible. To argue otherwise is counter-intuitive.[/quote]

So are you trying to say that it is impossible for one to grow their faith alone rather than being with a group of people?

While that may work best for YOU and get the best results for YOU, it seems pretty close minded to say that's how it must be for others.

Brad - I never used the words "impossible" or "must" in my statement. I am simply using logic. If I wanted to learn to be an electrician, for example, it is logical that I would yield better results if I fell under the instruction as an apprentice of a skilled, experienced tradesman. Could I learn by myself from a book? Sure. But who would you rather hire to wire your house? Someone who is self taught or professionally trained?

I'm not being close-minded. I'm just being logical. There are people who are very defensive about not going to church, not reading their Bible, not fellowshiping with other believers, not falling under the accountability of wiser men etc. Why is it than when the topic of religion & faith is introduced, people lose their ability to be logical and objective?

If one of our NIU football players decided to "drop out" of practicing with the team and coaches, we would think that he were being naive, irresponsible and foolish to think that he could gain the same type of athletic performance by practicing at home on his own. None of us would be "close-minded" for advising him to rejoin the team and coaches.

Didn't lose any logic at all. Would God think any less of me if I followed the Bible/Christianity at home vs a church? That is what I was getting at. Is a physical Church needed to gain Jesus's favor?