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EAST REGION
At Buffalo
3. Pittsburgh: Doesn't help to lose at home
14. Toledo: No multiple bids for MAC this year
6. Tennessee: Taken share of tough losses lately
11. Gonzaga: Margin for error has shrunk
And apparently, no Zips, according to this.
Toledo is 5-0 and the #1 seed in the MAC right now. Akron is #2 seed with Ohio, Kent State, Miami, and WMU tie for seeds 3-6.
Interesting to see how things playout. Toledo is quick but very small inside. Akron would seem to have the inside track right now in the east.
According to the CollegeRPI bracket, they have UT with a 15 seed!!
How low can we go?
If we get a 15 seed, it may be time to sell the office furniture and turn off the lights.
I see any MAC team (Toledo, OU, Kent or Akron) as a 14 seed. It would take some serious wins by one of these programs, like a 14-2 conference record, to even have a slim shot at a 13 seed. Not a good year for our league in terms of the NCAA Selection Committee, which is a shame since we finally got a MAC guy on their board. We needed that badly during the 2000-2004 time frame.
MAC is 15 in rpi as a conference in most sites. The MAC champ should be about a 13th or 14th seed this year. MAC tournament is wide open as always. Even a 15th seed might be good because they might send MAC champ to Buffalo or Dayton.
OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:MAC is 15 in rpi as a conference in most sites. The MAC champ should be about a 13th or 14th seed this year. MAC tournament is wide open as always. Even a 15th seed might be good because they might send MAC champ to Buffalo or Dayton.
They seed teams not conferences. If NIU finishes the year 7-25, but they win the tournament, they'll be a 16 seed, probably in a play-in game. If Ohio finishes the year 26-6, they could be as high as an #10 or #11.
Don't forget that when Kent beat Indiana in the NCAA tournament in 2001, they were a #14 seed.
Mark my words, there is little chance the MAC lands anything lower than a 13 seed. Very little. There are what, 32 conferences, 17 of which rate below the MAC. At least 13 of those will crown tournament champions worse than the MAC's (barring a surprise run from a double-digit seed in Cleveland). That's your 14, 15, and 16 seeds right there (plus the play-in game loser).
The MAC is being listed as a 14 or 15 seed because bracketologists are putting Toledo in their brackets, and that is where a .500 Toledo would rank. If Toledo is the tournament champion, they will rank higher in March on the virtue of an improved record over the course of MAC play.
bopol Wrote:OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:MAC is 15 in rpi as a conference in most sites. The MAC champ should be about a 13th or 14th seed this year. MAC tournament is wide open as always. Even a 15th seed might be good because they might send MAC champ to Buffalo or Dayton.
They seed teams not conferences. If NIU finishes the year 7-25, but they win the tournament, they'll be a 16 seed, probably in a play-in game. If Ohio finishes the year 26-6, they could be as high as an #10 or #11.
Don't forget that when Kent beat Indiana in the NCAA tournament in 2001, they were a #14 seed.
You really think a MAC team can get as high as a #10 or #11 seed? I see whichever MAC team who makes the Tourney as one-and-done. I think even the selection committee will see that. I don't see a MAC team getting any better than a #12 seed. The MAC was a better basketball conference last year. Kent State went 25-8 and got a #12 seed last year. I would be very surprised to see any team in the MAC get 25 wins this year. I think, at best, a MAC team might get 23 wins this year.
epasnoopy Wrote:You really think a MAC team can get as high as a #10 or #11 seed? I see whichever MAC team who makes the Tourney as one-and-done.
The fact you would make such a statement before seeing the pairing shows that you know next to nothing about college hoops.
epasnoopy Wrote:The MAC was a better basketball conference last year.
I don't think this is clear. The MAC was 16th in RPI last year, 15th this year. Moreover, the raw numbers are quite similar.
BobcatFan Wrote:epasnoopy Wrote:You really think a MAC team can get as high as a #10 or #11 seed? I see whichever MAC team who makes the Tourney as one-and-done.
The fact you would make such a statement before seeing the pairing shows that you know next to nothing about college hoops.
You really think anyone in this conference has a chance against a #4 or higher seed? I don't. What's the best win by a MAC team this year? How many good wins have MAC teams had this year? The MAC is weak this year. You can compare it to last year with whatever RPI number you want but this conference wasn't good last year either.
epasnoopy Wrote:The MAC was a better basketball conference last year.
BobcatFan Wrote:I don't think this is clear. The MAC was 16th in RPI last year, 15th this year. Moreover, the raw numbers are quite similar.
After the Bracket Buster, this conference could easily end up with a worse RPI. I'm not even confident that NIU can beat a bad EIU, if that's who we end up playing.
the best team in the conference plays the ncaa game, not the whole league. ncaa games are primarily decided by execution, defense and teams that have learned how to play together and win. to some extent talent will prevail, but bucknell beat kansas without it, low seeds usually do well (play high seeds close and win a few every year) because they are almost all good teams.
right now toledo is playing excellent team defense. did you see them play buffalo today. ask a buffalo fan if that toledo team could upset a ranked team (especially, if they hit jump shots which they didn't tonight and still won by 16 at a place where a #2 seed type Pitt team barely won by 3).
those great kent teams had good experienced guards and a couple big guys that played their role well. toledo has a limited inside game and little height but they have good experienced guards a couple inside guys that play their role and tough team defense.
ohio, kent, akron, miami and western are all capable of becoming the same type of team. it's not who you beat in december its who you can beat in march if you believe in yourselves. that's why the tournament is so much fun.
Ohio is an enigma. Bobcats lack depth and a true point guard. That makes for questions about them getting the automatic bid. In a single game; however, Ohio has a very good shot at playing with a top team. The Bobcats have size up front and experience. Sonny Troutman is a 4 year starter. Williams a 3 year starter. Experience helps a lot in a first round game. Bobcats remember how close they came to upsetting Florida 2 years ago. Ohio starts 2 sr 2 jr and a sophmore. In 2005 they started 1 sr 1 jr 1 so and 2 Fr against Florida.
Toledo and Akron are deeper along with Kent State and that makes them better in the MAC tournament than Ohio because of the fatigue. The question is who gets tired first Ohio guards or bigmen trying to guard Tillman and Williams.
BobcatFan Wrote:epasnoopy Wrote:You really think a MAC team can get as high as a #10 or #11 seed? I see whichever MAC team who makes the Tourney as one-and-done.
The fact you would make such a statement before seeing the pairing shows that you know next to nothing about college hoops.
epasnoopy Wrote:The MAC was a better basketball conference last year.
I don't think this is clear. The MAC was 16th in RPI last year, 15th this year. Moreover, the raw numbers are quite similar.
The fact that you think the MAC is any good shows you are wearing red and green colored galsses and drinking grape koolaid(red/green mixed). Face facts. The MAC is just not good this year(I would argue except for a few teams and an occasional up year-the MAC pretty much sucks year in year out), This makes it even worse when your team the worst team in a crappy conference.
I could say the same thing about football. Don't be a troll because your team stinks.