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I realize saying or linking to something actually informative is out of place on internet discussion boards...but just the same...

Here's what Eric Zorn of the Tribune has tracked down on this stupid stuff about Obama: http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_col....html#more

And that "madrassa" appears to have been a public school: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:RgI...=clnk&cd=2

Oh, and contemporary radical middle eastern Islam didn't start getting exported to radical madrassas by the Saudis until the late 70s. Barry Obama was in Indonesia in the late 60s early 70s.

So...throw in with the facts or throw in with the Moonies. Take your pick.
Think that HuskieBob and NIUHuskie84 are islamic informants?
HuskieFever1 Wrote:Think that HuskieBob and NIUHuskie84 are islamic informants?
I know for a fact they are! 04-jawdrop
I think that everyone is trying to hang Kedz for stating the obvious.

If you are going up against the Clintonistas and you have baggage, they are going to portray you as a child molester who is the worst type of scum. We should pin this thread to see who is going to be right. The Clintonistas are going to crucify this guy and you can bet the fact that he was 10 years old is going to be omitted from their message.

As for the last election, get real. Why do you think all the Democrats ran campaigns as if they were Republicans (pro life, church going, spending restraint, etc.)? The problem was millions ( I was one) of conservatives who refused to vote for these spending whores in Congress. There was no way the mandate for liberalism that all of you liberals are thinking occurred. The next election will confirm what I am saying. Again, we need to pin this thread to show that I am right - AGAIN.

As for the experience factor, people who voted for President Bush were very concerned about the experience factor until VP Cheney was selected as a running mate. That issue was immediately eliminated, in conjunction with picking up the phone and being able to ask his father questions, a former ambassador, CIA official, VP, and President.

What is most painful in reading this thread is the number of people who are not being honest in their evaluation of the enemy - radical Islam - and their tactics. Once you and your kids are dead or outnumbered, it is too late to say "Oh I guess that I was wrong". Look at Afghanistan and Lebanon for examples. For heaven sakes, these people are going to make you muslim, or you (an infidel) are going to die. That is their starting point and you all refuse to be intellectually honest and address this issue outside the political arena. I can only pray that you don't make it to the ballot box. You do not recognize the threat that is upon us right now. Lebanon used to be predominantly Christian and these Christians helped and supported the poor Muslims until they gained power and then the Muslims promptly began killing the Christians.

All of you on the board need to do your own research and see if what I am saying is true. I expect the political pot shots that will only confirm how shallow the attacker is. But if and when you do your research about this radical Islam movement and its tactics, you need to unite behind whoever is President or in the House or Senate confronting this enemy. It is a very very serious issue you can't politicize. Vote for whoever is standing up against this threat before it is too late.
I'm going to vote for the guy that represents the issues I support that a president can have an effect on. Lowering taxes, winning the war in Iraq, privatizing Social Security, all that stuff a president can affect. Gay marriage and abortion, while I have my veiws on, will not be changed by one man so when I vote for president, they really don't come into play.
BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:I'm going to vote for the guy that represents the issues I support that a president can have an effect on. Lowering taxes, winning the war in Iraq, privatizing Social Security, all that stuff a president can affect. Gay marriage and abortion, while I have my veiws on, will not be changed by one man so when I vote for president, they really don't come into play.

Lowering taxes? Privatizing social security? Winning the war in Iraq? Wow. Those are conservative issues. I'm impressed, Bleeds.

As for abortion, it is the nine justinces of the US Supreme Court who have the most influence on major law changes. And the president of the United States is the one who appoints these justices. Clinton appointed that liberal whack-job Ruth Bader-Ginsburg. Bush has successfully gotten two conservatives on the bench, Roberts and Alito. Conservative appointments are known for "literal interpretation of the Constitution". Judges Thomas and Scalia are the most conservative, literal interpretors on the bench. Liberals tend to interpret "the spirit of the Constitution" through the lense of modern, popular culture. This is where ideological, personal bias can creep in and influence law making.
Kedzman Wrote:
BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:I'm going to vote for the guy that represents the issues I support that a president can have an effect on. Lowering taxes, winning the war in Iraq, privatizing Social Security, all that stuff a president can affect. Gay marriage and abortion, while I have my veiws on, will not be changed by one man so when I vote for president, they really don't come into play.

Lowering taxes? Privatizing social security? Winning the war in Iraq? Wow. Those are conservative issues. I'm impressed, Bleeds.

As for abortion, it is the nine justinces of the US Supreme Court who have the most influence on major law changes. And the president of the United States is the one who appoints these justices. Clinton appointed that liberal whack-job Ruth Bader-Ginsburg. Bush has successfully gotten two conservatives on the bench, Roberts and Alito. Conservative appointments are known for "literal interpretation of the Constitution". Judges Thomas and Scalia are the most conservative, literal interpretors on the bench. Liberals tend to interpret "the spirit of the Constitution" through the lense of modern, popular culture. This is where ideological, personal bias can creep in and influence law making.
I figured you would be. I used to be called Johnny Right Wing. I mean really, the only issues I would be considered liberal on are the legalization of pot and gay rights/marriage. Otherwise I am right wing through and through.
Kedzman Wrote:
HuskieFan84 Wrote:Kedz, you never really answered my question. How do you personally feel about this as a conservative? Do you no longer believe he should be a candidate for the presidency b/c of this ? Are you embarrassed by conservatives bringing this up?

Sorry for not responding to this earlier. I wasn't avoiding the question, I just did not think I had time to address it - now I do...


I don't think any of us will have the opportunity to vote for him. He won't make the cut. You can thank the racist Democrat union members who wont want to see a woman or a black man serve in the highest elected position in this country. Hillary and Obama will not win the nomination.

It does not appear that these polls back up your assertion that the Dems will not nominate Hillary or Obama. It looks like a done deal.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm
:snore: :snore: :snore:
Field Turf Wrote:
Kedzman Wrote:
HuskieFan84 Wrote:Kedz, you never really answered my question. How do you personally feel about this as a conservative? Do you no longer believe he should be a candidate for the presidency b/c of this ? Are you embarrassed by conservatives bringing this up?

Sorry for not responding to this earlier. I wasn't avoiding the question, I just did not think I had time to address it - now I do...


I don't think any of us will have the opportunity to vote for him. He won't make the cut. You can thank the racist Democrat union members who wont want to see a woman or a black man serve in the highest elected position in this country. Hillary and Obama will not win the nomination.

It does not appear that these polls back up your assertion that the Dems will not nominate Hillary or Obama. It looks like a done deal.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08dem.htm
This is what scares me.
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm
NIUJDK Wrote:What is most painful in reading this thread is the number of people who are not being honest in their evaluation of the enemy - radical Islam - and their tactics. Once you and your kids are dead or outnumbered, it is too late to say "Oh I guess that I was wrong". Look at Afghanistan and Lebanon for examples. For heaven sakes, these people are going to make you muslim, or you (an infidel) are going to die. That is their starting point and you all refuse to be intellectually honest and address this issue outside the political arena. I can only pray that you don't make it to the ballot box. You do not recognize the threat that is upon us right now.

Outstanding. Needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated. We are truly at a crossroads of civilizations - which side are you all on?
Lord Stanley Wrote:
NIUJDK Wrote:What is most painful in reading this thread is the number of people who are not being honest in their evaluation of the enemy - radical Islam - and their tactics. Once you and your kids are dead or outnumbered, it is too late to say "Oh I guess that I was wrong". Look at Afghanistan and Lebanon for examples. For heaven sakes, these people are going to make you muslim, or you (an infidel) are going to die. That is their starting point and you all refuse to be intellectually honest and address this issue outside the political arena. I can only pray that you don't make it to the ballot box. You do not recognize the threat that is upon us right now.

Outstanding. Needs to be repeated and repeated and repeated. We are truly at a crossroads of civilizations - which side are you all on?

Unfortunately, the ignorant bleeding hearts among us who preach love and lillies for all human beings fail to understand that some of those "human beings" that they love will cut their heads off if given any kind of opportunity to do so. The bleeding hearts, forgetful of 9/11 and other atrocities, are quick to blame the USA for the world's problems and truly believe that if the evil USA were defeated or eliminated the world's problems would stop and everyone would start planting flowers and singing Kum Ba Ya. Just spend an hour or two with the bleeding heart pacifists who parade and blast the USA every Friday evening on the corner of First & Lincoln Hwy. in DeKalb.

The bleeding hearts do not have the intellectual capacity to realize that there are many sick, demented, and evil peoples, cultures, and religions in this world who are all jealous of the stature and living standards of the USA. These entities live each day for the sole purpose of seeing America and its allies destroyed. There is no talking to them, negotiating with them, or preaching peace and love to them that will change their philosophies or hatred of us. The only way to "negotiate" with them is to destroy them. The limited brain capacity of the bleeding hearts fails to understand that their Muslim brothers and sisters need to constantly fight and kill in order to achieve their own sort of self "worth". When the Muslims do not have the USA and its allies to fight, they fight and kill each other. Look at Iraq, Iran, and the Palestinian territories in Israel for numerous examples throughout history. Their religion preaches violence to "defend" their "honor". Either you are Muslim and pro-Muslim, or an infidel who must be destroyed. Ask Salman Rushdie what it's like to question Islam.

Unfortunately, the bleeding hearts among us have hearts where their brains are supposed to be. Put the pacifists in charge and we can only pray that our hearts will be the only things that bleed.
Here's the latest on the "Islamic Seminary:"

BARACK ATTACK UNFOUNDED

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/22451...23.article

January 23, 2007

BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist

Barack Obama's week-old presidential campaign has been hit with a smear. Hillary Clinton's White House bid, launched Saturday, has been attacked with an unfounded accusation.

Contrary to what was reported in Insight magazine and then repeated on Fox News and in other news outlets, including a column that ran in the Sun-Times by free-lancer Mark Steyn, Obama was not educated in a radical Islamic school when he was an elementary student in Jakarta.

And there is no evidence whatsoever that Clinton's campaign had anything to do with spreading the damaging rumor that Obama hid a Muslim background.

The source for both slurs started in a report posted on the Web site of Insight, a conservative magazine published by the Washington Times. The article with no named sourcing alleged that researchers connected to Clinton dug up information about Obama as part of a "background check."

Over the past few days the story bounced around the blogosphere and then spilled over to other conservative outlets.

Let's set the record straight.


Wear Western clothes

Obama's U.S. mother, divorced from his Kenyan father, married an Indonesian she met at the University of Hawaii and moved to Jakarta in 1967, when Obama was 6.
He wrote in his memoir, Dreams from My Father, that he was educated in Muslim and Catholic schools there.

Obama reflected about his life in Indonesia in his second book, The Audacity of Hope.

CNN sent senior international correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to visit Obama's elementary school, which he attended between 1969 and 1971. It is clearly not the sort of school that breeds violent fanatics.

The pictures show boys and girls at the state-run Basuki School wearing blue and white uniforms taught by men and women wearing Western dress.


'Shakes people's faith'

It is located in a wealthy Jakarta neighborhood, located down the road from the home of the U.S. ambassador. Vause described the school as "probably better off than most."
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, the deputy headmaster, told CNN. "In our daily lives we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said the episode was not damaging to Obama's campaign but was "a black eye on journalism" because it "shakes people's faith in the truth."

I asked Gibbs if he thought Clinton's camp had anything to do with this and he said, "I don't."

Last year, at the end of a trip to Africa, Obama said he planned to visit Indonesia in 2007.
[quote="NIU70"]Here's the latest on the "Islamic Seminary:"

BARACK ATTACK UNFOUNDED

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/22451...23.article

January 23, 2007

BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist

Barack Obama's week-old presidential campaign has been hit with a smear. Hillary Clinton's White House bid, launched Saturday, has been attacked with an unfounded accusation.

Contrary to what was reported in Insight magazine and then repeated on Fox News and in other news outlets, including a column that ran in the Sun-Times by free-lancer Mark Steyn, Obama was not educated in a radical Islamic school when he was an elementary student in Jakarta.

And there is no evidence whatsoever that Clinton's campaign had anything to do with spreading the damaging rumor that Obama hid a Muslim background.

The source for both slurs started in a report posted on the Web site of Insight, a conservative magazine published by the Washington Times. The article with no named sourcing alleged that researchers connected to Clinton dug up information about Obama as part of a "background check."

Over the past few days the story bounced around the blogosphere and then spilled over to other conservative outlets.

Let's set the record straight.


Wear Western clothes

Obama's U.S. mother, divorced from his Kenyan father, married an Indonesian she met at the University of Hawaii and moved to Jakarta in 1967, when Obama was 6.
He wrote in his memoir, Dreams from My Father, that he was educated in Muslim and Catholic schools there.

Obama reflected about his life in Indonesia in his second book, The Audacity of Hope.

CNN sent senior international correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to visit Obama's elementary school, which he attended between 1969 and 1971. It is clearly not the sort of school that breeds violent fanatics.

The pictures show boys and girls at the state-run Basuki School wearing blue and white uniforms taught by men and women wearing Western dress.


'Shakes people's faith'

It is located in a wealthy Jakarta neighborhood, located down the road from the home of the U.S. ambassador. Vause described the school as "probably better off than most."
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, the deputy headmaster, told CNN. "In our daily lives we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said the episode was not damaging to Obama's campaign but was "a black eye on journalism" because it "shakes people's faith in the truth."

I asked Gibbs if he thought Clinton's camp had anything to do with this and he said, "I don't."

Last year, at the end of a trip to Africa, Obama said he planned to visit Indonesia in 2007.
Quote:It seems the prospect of an Obama presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail his candidacy.

It seems the prospect of a Hilary Rodham presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail her candidacy.

It seems the prospect of a Mitt Romney presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail his candidacy.

It seems the prospect of a Jeb Bush presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail his candidacy.

It seems the prospect of a Sam Brownback presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail his candidacy.

It seems the prospect of a John Edwards presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail his candidacy.

It seems the prospect of a John Kerry presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail his candidacy.

It seems the prospect of an (insert candidate) presidency scares a lot of people who are willing to use any tactic to derail his candidacy.

But I know ALL of us would be scared of a John Kerry presidency ;-)
From reading the current poll results, Obama has a long road ahead of him to even gain the Democratic nomination. Not only does he trail Clinton by about 20 points overall, he also trails Hillary amongst black voters.
[quote="huskiebob"][quote="NIU70"]Here's the latest on the "Islamic Seminary:"

BARACK ATTACK UNFOUNDED

http://www.suntimes.com/news/sweet/22451...23.article

January 23, 2007

BY LYNN SWEET Sun-Times Columnist

Barack Obama's week-old presidential campaign has been hit with a smear. Hillary Clinton's White House bid, launched Saturday, has been attacked with an unfounded accusation.

Contrary to what was reported in Insight magazine and then repeated on Fox News and in other news outlets, including a column that ran in the Sun-Times by free-lancer Mark Steyn, Obama was not educated in a radical Islamic school when he was an elementary student in Jakarta.

And there is no evidence whatsoever that Clinton's campaign had anything to do with spreading the damaging rumor that Obama hid a Muslim background.

The source for both slurs started in a report posted on the Web site of Insight, a conservative magazine published by the Washington Times. The article with no named sourcing alleged that researchers connected to Clinton dug up information about Obama as part of a "background check."

Over the past few days the story bounced around the blogosphere and then spilled over to other conservative outlets.

Let's set the record straight.


Wear Western clothes

Obama's U.S. mother, divorced from his Kenyan father, married an Indonesian she met at the University of Hawaii and moved to Jakarta in 1967, when Obama was 6.
He wrote in his memoir, Dreams from My Father, that he was educated in Muslim and Catholic schools there.

Obama reflected about his life in Indonesia in his second book, The Audacity of Hope.

CNN sent senior international correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to visit Obama's elementary school, which he attended between 1969 and 1971. It is clearly not the sort of school that breeds violent fanatics.

The pictures show boys and girls at the state-run Basuki School wearing blue and white uniforms taught by men and women wearing Western dress.


'Shakes people's faith'

It is located in a wealthy Jakarta neighborhood, located down the road from the home of the U.S. ambassador. Vause described the school as "probably better off than most."
"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, the deputy headmaster, told CNN. "In our daily lives we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs said the episode was not damaging to Obama's campaign but was "a black eye on journalism" because it "shakes people's faith in the truth."

I asked Gibbs if he thought Clinton's camp had anything to do with this and he said, "I don't."

Last year, at the end of a trip to Africa, Obama said he planned to visit Indonesia in 2007.
BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:legalization of pot

count me in 04-rock
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