I don't know where these guys are based out of, but this site did a nice job in keeping the Motor City Bowl in perspective with Middle Tennessee.
http://www.collegefootballchannel.com/st...tory=20023
[color=red][b][i]. . . .Middle Tennessee State's nonconference schedule included BCS powers Maryland (8-4), Oklahoma (11-2), Louisville (11-1) and South Carolina (7-5). Yes, all four of those games were losses, with the final score being a combined 179-34. But that's not the point. The point is, a mid-major football program went out and scheduled some of the best teams in the six major conferences. And, when all of its 12 games were played, Middle Tennessee State still finished with a winning record.
Now remember, we're talking about a 7-5 team from the Sun Belt Conference. This isn't the prototypical team that college football fans go out of their way to watch. The Blue Raiders likely don't have any future NFL players
Semper Wrote:The point is, a mid-major football program went out and scheduled some of the best teams in the six major conferences. And, when all of its 12 games were played, Middle Tennessee State still finished with a winning record.
Dude, why are you still here? Your little team had its day and got its ass kicked. Now go away. Are we supposed to be impressed that your team beat six Sun Belt teams and a I-AA team? 'Cause I'm not. One of our worst teams (EMU) went 1-1 against one of your better teams (ULL). There's no comparing the MAC and the SBC.
zibby Wrote:Semper Wrote:The point is, a mid-major football program went out and scheduled some of the best teams in the six major conferences. And, when all of its 12 games were played, Middle Tennessee State still finished with a winning record.
Dude, why are you still here? Your little team had its day and got its ass kicked. Now go away. Are we supposed to be impressed that your team beat six Sun Belt teams and a I-AA team? 'Cause I'm not. One of our worst teams (EMU) went 1-1 against one of your better teams (ULL). There's no comparing the MAC and the SBC.
"ULL" as you call them finished 5th in the 8-member Sun Belt. Our school has 23,000 students. I bet we are much larger than several MAC schools. I don't exactly refer to us as "little." Our attendance average was greater than all 13 MAC schools when you count auxillary member, Temple. Our $14 Million operating budget is larger than several MAC schools'.
Some MAC fans might appreciate this article. It's clear you don't so those like you shouldn't comment.
Semper Wrote:"ULL" as you call them finished 5th in the 8-member Sun Belt.
They were co-champions the year they lost to EMU.
Semper Wrote:Our school has 23,000 students.
So that adds up to what, 40,000 teeth? No, seriously...congrats on having so many students. I'm sure Wake Forest feels so insignficant compared to you.
Zibby, why are you being such an ass?
He came here and showed us that CMU played a team that had some guts. End of story.
He's happy his team even went to a bowl.
It's about the kids, not you.
Stop hitting posters, please.
zibby Wrote:Semper Wrote:"ULL" as you call them finished 5th in the 8-member Sun Belt.
They were co-champions the year they lost to EMU.
Semper Wrote:Our school has 23,000 students.
So that adds up to what, 40,000 teeth? No, seriously...congrats on having so many students. I'm sure Wake Forest feels so insignficant compared to you.
Can we be a little more classy and respectful here? You sound like a fan of a BCS team. We non-BCS teams are all in this together against the monopoly.
NIU007 Wrote:You sound like a fan of a BCS team.
I am a fan of both a BCS team and a non-BCS team. Perhaps a better inquiry would be to find out why the original poster thinks anyone on a MAC board gives a shiat about some website overpraising his non-MAC team. His post doesn't have anything to do with the MCB.
Appreciate the article blurb, Semper, but that pretty much describes most non-BCS teams' opponent list: 3 or 4 BCS squads per year, almost always on the road.
Quote:So that adds up to what, 40,000 teeth?
Must northerners resort to hillbilly/redneck/moonshine-type cracks in any debate or discussion with a team south of the Mason-Dixon line?
Actually, I have to excuse Alabama from the BCS fan comment. Most NIU fans that went to Alabama in 2003 said their fans were very classy even after we beat them, which must have been a difficult loss for them to take, especially after only losing to #1 Oklahoma the week before.
Hoping MAC fans can act that way too.
Motown Bronco Wrote:Must northerners resort to hillbilly/incest/moonshine-type cracks in any debate or discussion with a team south of the Mason-Dixon line?
Okay...how about Middle Tennesee's "we'll take anyone" acceptance policy
(Linky) and their "classes, schmasses" academic policy
(Linky)?
MrG Wrote:Zibby, why are you being such an ass?
He came here and showed us that CMU played a team that had some guts. End of story.
He's happy his team even went to a bowl.
It's about the kids, not you.
Stop hitting posters, please.
I agree wholeheartedly. It's not against the AUP, but it's certainly against the rules of behavior for face-to-face conversation. Just because there's a computer in front of you instead of the person doesn't make it acceptable to act like an ass.
Question Zibby.
How do you feel when fans of schools from the non-Power Six Mountain West looks down on everyone in your league and calls you little? How would you dispute that? From everything I've seen, it looks like the Mountain West would roll over anyone in the Mid-American Conference. So since we are "little" compared to the MAC, what does that make the MAC compared to the Mountain West or any of the schools from the Power Six conferences?
Semper Wrote:"ULL" as you call them finished 5th in the 8-member Sun Belt. Our school has 23,000 students. I bet we are much larger than several MAC schools. I don't exactly refer to us as "little." Our attendance average was greater than all 13 MAC schools when you count auxillary member, Temple. Our $14 Million operating budget is larger than several MAC schools'.
Some MAC fans might appreciate this article. It's clear you don't so those like you shouldn't comment.
MTSU's student enrollment is more than a few MAC schools. Most MAC schools are in the middle to upper 20k for student population. You are probably right about MTSU's Athletic budget being larger than several MAC schools. Small budgets is one of the problems with most MAC schools. As for attendance, i wish the Midwest could have similar weather conditions like southern states during college football season. Midwest climate and weather conditions during October and November are bad. Many games played on MAC fields experience hail, strong winds (30+ mph), lots of rain, cold temperatures, and snow. I know here in DeKalb, Illinois (NIU) 30 mph winds combined with temperatures of 50 degrees and colder are common during the October month, but during the November it is usually 35 degrees or colder with 30 mph winds with sleet type rain. I would love if we could experience 60 degree and sunny weather with no wind during the October and November months to see what kind of attendance NIU and other MAC schools could pull in.
I have a few questions about MTSU and Tennessee in general. I've been to Tennessee only once when i was in Knoxville for about a week during Spring break (middle of March). It was about middle to upper 50 degrees and no wind when i was there. I heard it's usually warmer there during that time of year compared to when i was there. What are the average temperatures in Tennessee during November and December? How about climate conditions? Do you ever get 25+ mph winds? Much rain? Any snow? One of my friends who lived in Illinois most of his life lives not too far from Memphis and says people down there don't know how to drive when there is rain or snow on the ground, and schools are generally closed when it does snow. Is MTSU one of the larger schools in the Sun Belt?
Ranking of MAC Schools Based on Student Population:
1) KSU - 36,000
2) Temple - 33,300
3) WMU - 29,732
4) Ohio - 28,598
5) CMU - 28,003
6) Buffalo - 27,276
7) NIU - 25,260
8) EMU - 25,000
9) Akron - 24,300
10) BGSU - 20,276
11) BSU - 18,310
12) Toledo - 19.019
13) MU - 16,300
I don't really care what anyone says about the MAC. And I certainly don't go running around all over the Internet trying to find someone who says something nice about my team and then post on another conference's board saying, "See! See! We don't completely suck!"
And what does the AUP have to say about subject titles? His post has nothing to do with the MCB. If the subject title were "Some Guy You've Never Heard of Says My Team Doesn't Completely Suck," I wouldn't have bothered reading it.
I'd say high 50's or 60's in November, high 50's in December, lows in the 40's and 50's in November, and lows in the 30's in December.
I think climate is irrelevant as most people in the North have adapted to northern climates while people in the South have adapted to the hot and humid summer and early Fall weather that causes athletes to pass out and die in the offseason during practices.
Semper Wrote:I'd say high 50's or 60's in November, high 50's in December, lows in the 40's and 50's in November, and lows in the 30's in December.
I think climate is irrelevant as most people in the North have adapted to northern climates while people in the South have adapted to the hot and humid summer and early Fall weather that causes athletes to pass out and die in the offseason during practices.
You are just talking about temperature and athletes. Certainly athletes adapt to temperature. I'm talking about the general public of people who do not have to wear football pads and play on a football team. The people who attend the games. Nobody likes to go outside when there are 30mph winds blowing in your face and it is below freezing. In general, people are less active when it is cold out and less likely to sit outside for 3 hours straight. This is why people get fatter during the winter up here in the North.
zibby Wrote:I don't really care what anyone says about the MAC. And I certainly don't go running around all over the Internet trying to find someone who says something nice about my team and then post on another conference's board saying, "See! See! We don't completely suck!"
No, but you do go out of your way to be a jerk and rip on everyone and everything here.
I like it when posters of other non-bcs gives us info about their school. MTSU earned a bowl this year 7-6 and a bowl trip is a nice year. Sun Belt is a lot like the MAC. We struggle to win against the BCS teams, but going 7-1 vs non-bcs is still a great accomplishment for any team. I think MTSU has the same buget issues as the MAC. MTSU is a solid bowl division team. MTSU played a better CMU team, but MTSU is a good team. Can't judge a conference by 1 game or even 4 OOC games vs top 25 teams. How did a team do against teams its own size.
including MTSU.
They don't have enough teams, I believe, to play 8 conference games which means they can't have their teams go 6 - 2 in conference and then try to pick up two more wins vs a 1-AA and another bottom tier I-A.
Their OCC schedules can be pretty tough.
MAC bowl teams fatten up on the EMU's and UBs and Temples of the MAC. Kent in years gone by.
There are are a lot of weak MAC teams each year and '06 was no exception.
A MAC team can go 6 - 2 in conference and still not be a world beater. Beat four bad MAC teams and split the other four games. Not exactly front page stuff.
P.S. my statement about 'fattening up' will change - I believe Temple, UB and EMU will be stronger in '08 then '06. My crystal ball for '07 is foggy.
Please don't accuse me of bashing them.
Semper Wrote:I don't know where these guys are based out of, but this site did a nice job in keeping the Motor City Bowl in perspective with Middle Tennessee.
That was a nice article, and I'm glad to see MTSU pick up momentum from this.
It's something that all xBCS teams should do.
Remember MAC fans, if MTSU (or any SBC school) gets more fans and more recognition, then that makes the MCB higher profile next time they play there.
This isn't a zero-sum game. We should hope all xBCS schools improve their fan base and perception.