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Temple at NIU = 27,039
Toledo at EMU = 21,262
Buffalo at Ohio = 19,409
Miami at Akron = 17,721
Western at Ball St = 17,626
Vandelay Wrote:Toledo at EMU = 21,262

Most of that crowd must have bought their ticket but never walked in the gate.
The homecoming tent area viewable form the stadium was completely packed about 10 minutes into the 1st quarter but the crowd did not grow very noticeably after that so I am thinking those people didn't come in.

I put the crowd at around 10,000 based on past crowds I have seen that looked bigger at EMU but were reported around 17,000. This crowd was the worst I have seen at EMU in years but reported higher. Strange.
owen Wrote:
Vandelay Wrote:Toledo at EMU = 21,262

Most of that crowd must have bought their ticket but never walked in the gate.
The homecoming tent area viewable form the stadium was completely packed about 10 minutes into the 1st quarter but the crowd did not grow very noticeably after that so I am thinking those people didn't come in.

I put the crowd at around 10,000 based on past crowds I have seen that looked bigger at EMU but were reported around 17,000. This crowd was the worst I have seen at EMU in years but reported higher. Strange.

Tickets sold: 21,262. Just following the NCAA rules on attendance reporting.
HuronDave Wrote:
owen Wrote:
Vandelay Wrote:Toledo at EMU = 21,262

Most of that crowd must have bought their ticket but never walked in the gate.
The homecoming tent area viewable form the stadium was completely packed about 10 minutes into the 1st quarter but the crowd did not grow very noticeably after that so I am thinking those people didn't come in.

I put the crowd at around 10,000 based on past crowds I have seen that looked bigger at EMU but were reported around 17,000. This crowd was the worst I have seen at EMU in years but reported higher. Strange.

Tickets sold: 21,262. Just following the NCAA rules on attendance reporting.

Is NCAA guideline an either or type thing? Either butts in seats or tickets sold.
So free student admissions only count if the actual attendance figure is used?
Vandelay Wrote:Temple at NIU = 27,039

That attendance is misleading only because Temple brought so many fans to our stadium. [sarcasm]
HuronDave Wrote:
owen Wrote:
Vandelay Wrote:Toledo at EMU = 21,262

Most of that crowd must have bought their ticket but never walked in the gate.
The homecoming tent area viewable form the stadium was completely packed about 10 minutes into the 1st quarter but the crowd did not grow very noticeably after that so I am thinking those people didn't come in.

I put the crowd at around 10,000 based on past crowds I have seen that looked bigger at EMU but were reported around 17,000. This crowd was the worst I have seen at EMU in years but reported higher. Strange.

Tickets sold: 21,262. Just following the NCAA rules on attendance reporting.

If only BSU followed that model. Today's total seems accurate, but normally for football they just count butts in seats.
owen Wrote:
Vandelay Wrote:Toledo at EMU = 21,262

Most of that crowd must have bought their ticket but never walked in the gate.
The homecoming tent area viewable form the stadium was completely packed about 10 minutes into the 1st quarter but the crowd did not grow very noticeably after that so I am thinking those people didn't come in.

I put the crowd at around 10,000 based on past crowds I have seen that looked bigger at EMU but were reported around 17,000. This crowd was the worst I have seen at EMU in years but reported higher. Strange.

You went to that game?? 03-yawn

21,000+ in Ypsilanti? Ya, and I'm Santa Claus.

Someone explain to me exactly what the distinction is here between "tickets sold" and actual "attendance" and why every school doesn't use the "tickets sold" number.

I assume EMU gives away tickets for free to the student body. So in reality, those tickets are not sold, they are given away. If they can get away with that, why not just give away tickets to every Tom, Dick and Harry in Ypsilanti to make the 15K average.

Now, take the NIU/Temple game today. Our game was supposedly sold out, yet attendance was a shade over 27K (that is actually how many people entered the stadium). Obviously, over 28K tickets were sold, but about 1,000 didn't show up or were too drunk from tailgaiting to make it in.

But again, that technicality with "sold". NIU students get free tickets, so if we were to use the "tickets sold" method (which we don't), how could that be counted/tracked etc.??
27,039 is good attendance???

hell we're 1-6 and had 30,000 tonight.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew[/quote]
gomemphistigers1 Wrote:27,039 is good attendance???

hell we're 1-6 and had 30,000 tonight.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew
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Tennessee is the only legit football program in that state. Memphis has no one else to compete for fans with besides Tennessee. NIU has to compete with two Big Ten teams and 3 of the top 1-AA teams for fans in our very own state. Not to mention Iowa and Notre Dame are in such close proximity that many Illinois people are fans/follow those two teams too. Then basketball is the sport of the North and Illinois, whereas football is bigger than God himself down South.
owen Wrote:Is NCAA guideline an either or type thing? Either butts in seats or tickets sold.

Yes.

Quote:So free student admissions only count if the actual attendance figure is used?

No, "free" student admissions count either way.
owen Wrote:
Vandelay Wrote:Toledo at EMU = 21,262

I put the crowd at around 10,000 based on past crowds I have seen that looked bigger at EMU but were reported around 17,000.

I was there too - and 10,000 is a pretty generous estimate. EMU has the most bizarre head counting "schemes" in the nation. They regularly have crowds that are less than a third of capacity (cap = just over 30,000) - but report crowds in excess of 15,000. Over 2/3 full is pure fantasy.

I have been to 3-4 EMU home games per year for the past decade and they have never even half filled that stadium in that time.

So obviously - if they are using tickets sold or given away free to students - then they must have a lot of free tickets never redeemed or a very generous corporate sponsor.
There's no way only 19-5 were at Peden today. Where would you fit five thousand people?
The way I look at it, the 15K rule is total BS, so I'm all for inflating attendence.
epasnoopy Wrote:
gomemphistigers1 Wrote:27,039 is good attendance???

hell we're 1-6 and had 30,000 tonight.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Tennessee is the only legit football program in that state. Memphis has no one else to compete for fans with besides Tennessee. NIU has to compete with two Big Ten teams and 3 of the top 1-AA teams for fans in our very own state. Not to mention Iowa and Notre Dame are in such close proximity that many Illinois people are fans/follow those two teams too. Then basketball is the sport of the North and Illinois, whereas football is bigger than God himself down South.

Not to mention...

DeKalb population = 39,000
Memphis population = 680,000
Motown Bronco Wrote:
epasnoopy Wrote:
gomemphistigers1 Wrote:27,039 is good attendance???

hell we're 1-6 and had 30,000 tonight.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Tennessee is the only legit football program in that state. Memphis has no one else to compete for fans with besides Tennessee. NIU has to compete with two Big Ten teams and 3 of the top 1-AA teams for fans in our very own state. Not to mention Iowa and Notre Dame are in such close proximity that many Illinois people are fans/follow those two teams too. Then basketball is the sport of the North and Illinois, whereas football is bigger than God himself down South.

Not to mention...

DeKalb population = 39,000
Memphis population = 680,000
True, we don't have a large metropolis to draw from right in our own backyard. Yes, Chicago is only an hour away, but there are a ton of smaller colleges plus Northwestern drawing right from the city and professional sports are king there. If people have to choose between seeing a Bears game or a Huskie game, 9/10 will go to the Bears game. I don't think it's really an excuse for our attendance though. Our students are really apethetic, and our marketing dept. can't figure out how to get people to fill the stadium or advertise Huskie football correctly.
Motown Bronco Wrote:
epasnoopy Wrote:
gomemphistigers1 Wrote:27,039 is good attendance???

hell we're 1-6 and had 30,000 tonight.

Go Tigers!!!
Drew

Tennessee is the only legit football program in that state. Memphis has no one else to compete for fans with besides Tennessee. NIU has to compete with two Big Ten teams and 3 of the top 1-AA teams for fans in our very own state. Not to mention Iowa and Notre Dame are in such close proximity that many Illinois people are fans/follow those two teams too. Then basketball is the sport of the North and Illinois, whereas football is bigger than God himself down South.

Not to mention...

DeKalb population = 39,000
Memphis population = 680,000

Good catch. Makes Memphis look even more pathetic when you consider the fact that NIU has 5.7% of the population that Memphis has.
Poor attendance is a problem that the Mac schools seem unable to solve. Perhaps the Conference commissioner should require that each member school create a student & falculty unit that works solely on this problem. It really is sad, and I hope something is done before 1/2 the members are reduced to a lower division & banned from bowl games for 10 years. If this comes to pass I suspect that the Mac as we know it is doomed.
Quote:True, we don't have a large metropolis to draw from right in our own backyard

The hell you don't. 04-jawdrop
I'am sure good attendance could be more easily promoted if each & every Mac Stadium had one or two of these situated nearbyhttp://www.bigtopshelters.com/sports_exhibition.htm#[/b] It's still not too late!
First, I agree that the whole attendance reg is complete garbage.

So, if the NCAA wants to play this game, let them be foisted upon with their own spire.

EMU has had several corporate benefactors step up this season to purchase large blocks of tickets. Based on the reporting requirements, EMU is not inflating its numbers. Two years ago, yes...that was a joke. But this season, it's all "by the book."

Homecoming is always strange though. The tents and parking lots are packed and you would swear 30k are there. Then about one-third of the people actually walk through the gates for the game.
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