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If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game? Why is the QB getting a pass and not being held to the same standard as the players at the other positions?

NIUbro Wrote:If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game?

If he is a senior, yes he would still be around. One of the reasons why every football parent wants their kid to play for Joe. Loyalty at the expense of victory. Loyalty to the fans just doesn't count.

NIUbro Wrote:If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game? Why is the QB getting a pass and not being held to the same standard as the players at the other positions?

Dear Joe -

Garrett Wolfe had a below average game at Miami Ohio and a poor game at Western Michigan. Who will be his replacement and the new starting RB for the Temple Game? Also, please explain Doug Free, your possible first round NFL Draft pick, continued start at tackle, considering that he has given up a number of sacks over the last few weeks.

Sincerely, your nutso fans

I beg to differ about Wolfe. I don't think he had a bad game. When you have basically 9 men chasing you all over the field, how can you gain any yardage? Unless we find some offense somewhere else or work in some misdirection this is what we can expect.

I've only been paying attention to NIU again for three years now, but I don't think I've ever seen Joe pull his QB during a game unless it is a blowout or an injury.

Temple would be the perfect opportunity to give Dan some playing time if there is any thought of him starting the meaningful games upcoming.

Lord Stanley Wrote:

NIUbro Wrote:If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game? Why is the QB getting a pass and not being held to the same standard as the players at the other positions?

Dear Joe -

Garrett Wolfe had a below average game at Miami Ohio and a poor game at Western Michigan. Who will be his replacement and the new starting RB for the Temple Game? Also, please explain Doug Free, your possible first round NFL Draft pick, continued start at tackle, considering that he has given up a number of sacks over the last few weeks.

Sincerely, your nutso fans

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niubrad00 Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:[quote="NIUbro"]If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game? Why is the QB getting a pass and not being held to the same standard as the players at the other positions?

Dear Joe -

Garrett Wolfe had a below average game at Miami Ohio and a poor game at Western Michigan. Who will be his replacement and the new starting RB for the Temple Game? Also, please explain Doug Free, your possible first round NFL Draft pick, continued start at tackle, considering that he has given up a number of sacks over the last few weeks.

Sincerely, your nutso fans

Conceptually, I understand your point, but it has no validity. Free=no legitimate backup. Wolfe=Heisman trophy candidate who is at the mercy of others to provide some help.

Comparing Free and Wolfe to Horvath is absolutely absurd. #62 and #1 have TALENT. #3 has NO TALENT. Zero, zip, zilch, nada and if you think anything to the contrary you have proven to have zero, zip, zilch, nada football IQ.

To support Phil at QB is to support mediocrity. I for one hold my alma mater to a higher standard.

Lord Stanley Wrote:

NIUbro Wrote:If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game? Why is the QB getting a pass and not being held to the same standard as the players at the other positions?

Dear Joe -

Garrett Wolfe had a below average game at Miami Ohio and a poor game at Western Michigan. Who will be his replacement and the new starting RB for the Temple Game? Also, please explain Doug Free, your possible first round NFL Draft pick, continued start at tackle, considering that he has given up a number of sacks over the last few weeks.

Sincerely, your nutso fans

lol.

Have you ever heard of comparing apples to oranges? Have you actually watched NIU play? Does Garrett Wolfe have a guy that took us to our 1st MAC Championship in school history sitting behind him?

My question for Joe would be that "why do you always say you were outcoached when you lose to a team you should have beaten. Do you feel that you don't have to explain the many failures to the fans."

He throws that line out every time I feel with a lot of smugness. Its like outcoached, change the topic or you don't need to know the reason. We all know the reasons for 2 dissapointing losses. Go head Joe you can tell us, we are big boys.

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Lord Stanley Wrote:

NIUbro Wrote:If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game? Why is the QB getting a pass and not being held to the same standard as the players at the other positions?

Dear Joe -

Garrett Wolfe had a below average game at Miami Ohio and a poor game at Western Michigan. Who will be his replacement and the new starting RB for the Temple Game? Also, please explain Doug Free, your possible first round NFL Draft pick, continued start at tackle, considering that he has given up a number of sacks over the last few weeks.

Sincerely, your nutso fans

lol.

Have you ever heard of comparing apples to oranges? Have you actually watched NIU play? Does Garrett Wolfe have a guy that took us to our 1st MAC Championship in school history sitting behind him?

NIU has a rather proud tradition of RBs. Why not change things up with a horse like Cas Prime? He has quite a pedigree and has had good sucess when given an opportunity.

That would be stupid, but the point is this - it's a team game through and through. Never is one person responsible for a loss or win. At WMU, if Wolfe had 350 yards and 3 TD, Horvath's interceptions are a side note to the win. If Wolfe had 20 yards and no TD, but Horvath throws for 3 TD and we win, Wolfe's yards are a side note to the win. If Wolfe and Horvath struggle, and Davis returns two punts for TD, the struggles of Wolfe and Horvath are side notes to the win. Everyone has responsibilities in a team game.

Many of you have annointed Nicholson the second coming to solve all problems. You all watch, should Nicholson start he'll have no more success than Horvath, because the entire team is stuggling. Neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw if the line can't protect, neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw completions if the receivers can't catch. I'm not arguing against a change at QB, just a realistic assesment of what the issues are at NIU football.

So it's not apples to oranges since all fruit have to work together to win.

Lord Stanley Wrote:NIU has a rather proud tradition of RBs. Why not change things up with a horse like Cas Prime? He has quite a pedigree and has had good sucess when given an opportunity.

That would be stupid, but the point is this - it's a team game through and through. Never is one person responsible for a loss or win. At WMU, if Wolfe had 350 yards and 3 TD, Horvath's interceptions are a side note to the win. If Wolfe had 20 yards and no TD, but Horvath throws for 3 TD and we win, Wolfe's yards are a side note to the win. If Wolfe and Horvath struggle, and Davis returns two punts for TD, the struggles of Wolfe and Horvath are side notes to the win. Everyone has responsibilities in a team game.

Many of you have annointed Nicholson the second coming to solve all problems. You all watch, should Nicholson start he'll have no more success than Horvath, because the entire team is stuggling. Neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw if the line can't protect, neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw completions if the receivers can't catch. I'm not arguing against a change at QB, just a realistic assesment of what the issues are at NIU football.

So it's not apples to oranges since all fruit have to work together to win.

You're wrong.

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GO HUSKIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bartindekalb Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:NIU has a rather proud tradition of RBs. Why not change things up with a horse like Cas Prime? He has quite a pedigree and has had good sucess when given an opportunity.

That would be stupid, but the point is this - it's a team game through and through. Never is one person responsible for a loss or win. At WMU, if Wolfe had 350 yards and 3 TD, Horvath's interceptions are a side note to the win. If Wolfe had 20 yards and no TD, but Horvath throws for 3 TD and we win, Wolfe's yards are a side note to the win. If Wolfe and Horvath struggle, and Davis returns two punts for TD, the struggles of Wolfe and Horvath are side notes to the win. Everyone has responsibilities in a team game.

Many of you have annointed Nicholson the second coming to solve all problems. You all watch, should Nicholson start he'll have no more success than Horvath, because the entire team is stuggling. Neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw if the line can't protect, neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw completions if the receivers can't catch. I'm not arguing against a change at QB, just a realistic assesment of what the issues are at NIU football.

So it's not apples to oranges since all fruit have to work together to win.

You're wrong.

How?

Lord Stanley Wrote:

Bartindekalb Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:NIU has a rather proud tradition of RBs. Why not change things up with a horse like Cas Prime? He has quite a pedigree and has had good sucess when given an opportunity.

That would be stupid, but the point is this - it's a team game through and through. Never is one person responsible for a loss or win. At WMU, if Wolfe had 350 yards and 3 TD, Horvath's interceptions are a side note to the win. If Wolfe had 20 yards and no TD, but Horvath throws for 3 TD and we win, Wolfe's yards are a side note to the win. If Wolfe and Horvath struggle, and Davis returns two punts for TD, the struggles of Wolfe and Horvath are side notes to the win. Everyone has responsibilities in a team game.

Many of you have annointed Nicholson the second coming to solve all problems. You all watch, should Nicholson start he'll have no more success than Horvath, because the entire team is stuggling. Neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw if the line can't protect, neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw completions if the receivers can't catch. I'm not arguing against a change at QB, just a realistic assesment of what the issues are at NIU football.

So it's not apples to oranges since all fruit have to work together to win.

You're wrong.

How?

I'd rather not.

Dog Fan Wrote:

NIUbro Wrote:If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game?

If he is a senior, yes he would still be around. One of the reasons why every football parent wants their kid to play for Joe. Loyalty at the expense of victory. Loyalty to the fans just doesn't count.

Loyalty at the expense of victory will eventually destroy your program. Alumni who donate smaller amounts of money consistently, which is actually more important that the larger one time gifts, will eventually stop donating.

Bartindekalb Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:

Bartindekalb Wrote:

Lord Stanley Wrote:NIU has a rather proud tradition of RBs. Why not change things up with a horse like Cas Prime? He has quite a pedigree and has had good sucess when given an opportunity.

That would be stupid, but the point is this - it's a team game through and through. Never is one person responsible for a loss or win. At WMU, if Wolfe had 350 yards and 3 TD, Horvath's interceptions are a side note to the win. If Wolfe had 20 yards and no TD, but Horvath throws for 3 TD and we win, Wolfe's yards are a side note to the win. If Wolfe and Horvath struggle, and Davis returns two punts for TD, the struggles of Wolfe and Horvath are side notes to the win. Everyone has responsibilities in a team game.

Many of you have annointed Nicholson the second coming to solve all problems. You all watch, should Nicholson start he'll have no more success than Horvath, because the entire team is stuggling. Neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw if the line can't protect, neither Horvath or Nicholson can throw completions if the receivers can't catch. I'm not arguing against a change at QB, just a realistic assesment of what the issues are at NIU football.

So it's not apples to oranges since all fruit have to work together to win.

You're wrong.

How?

I'd rather not.

Apparently I've mistaken what passes for discourse nowadays - my apologies. Please continue with the tar and feathers.

COHUSKIE Wrote:

Dog Fan Wrote:

NIUbro Wrote:If a starter at another position had two games in a row like the current QB would he still start the next game?

If he is a senior, yes he would still be around. One of the reasons why every football parent wants their kid to play for Joe. Loyalty at the expense of victory. Loyalty to the fans just doesn't count.

Loyalty at the expense of victory will eventually destroy your program. Alumni who donate smaller amounts of money consistently, which is actually more important that the larger one time gifts, will eventually stop donating.

Rest assured that if the Horvath Experiment continues with similar results, both attendance and donations will plummet. What you really risk is alienating future donors who are on the cusp of donating to the program for the first time.