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What are the chances of an OOC game between UCF and TSU getting initiated again? I think it'd be a nice series.

We did have a series planned but you all backed out to play Penn State which no one up here blames you for doing. it stinks because we have such a good rivalry.

We do need to pick this series back up. In basketball we hold each others record attendance and in football the Troy game is on your attendance record as well. We are close together it just makes no sense not to play. I hope you guys have great success in Conference USA and make a hudge impact. I think you guys and Memphis should be the key schools.

Well, I hope in the future we get the series going again.

Speaking of key schools Troypikap, I'm a firm believer that in the next few years UCF and Memphis will be heading to the BE. I'm also a firm believer that North Texas, La Tech and Troy would be the top schools on CUSA list to replace them. Yes I know this topic is worn out beyond imagination but I hope like hell you guys find your way to CUSA one day.

I'm definitely not trying to get into a pissing contest with you about realignment but N. Texas, Troy and La Tech would leave the Sun Belt in a heartbeat for CUSA. Just perception alone says CUSA is still a better all-around conference than the Sun Belt even if those 4 schools you mentioned were to leave CUSA for the BE.

N. Texas and La Tech would have teams to start new rivalries that are perfect geographic fits. And ask just about any Troy fan and they would tell you that establishing a rivalry with UAB is very attractive to them.

I'm not a proponent of bigger conferences feeding of the percieved smaller conferences but we both know that it will happen again. I also don't think the BE can continue to feed off CUSA teams to maintain their BCS status. But I'm not naive to think that Memphis and UCF wouldn't leave CUSA in a heartbeat for the BE. But I don't look for Marshall and ECU to be part of that mix for various reasons although geographic wise it would make sense.

How long have MTSU/Troy rivalry been in existence?

BlueRaiderPride Wrote:<span style='font-family:Times'><span style='font-size:12pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>If and when the Big East does decide to take Central Florida and Memphis, consider what would be left in Conference USA.

The perception of the Sun Belt Conference is the only reason why people do not believe this conference is worth keeping alive. Everyone thinks it stinks.

But if the perception improves drastically and we are seeing improvements already, CUSA may not be able to pull these teams as easily as you would think.

North Texas would likely take it up, but not because CUSA would be better perception-wise, but because of regional rivalries with SMU, Rice, and Texas-El Paso.

But if the Big East does take the proposed four--Marshall, East Carolina, Memphis, and Central Florida--look at what would be left in CUSA.

UAB, Southern Miss, Rice, Tulsa, SMU, UTEP, Tulane, and Houston.

I honestly believe that only La Tech and North Texas would go. If Middle Tennessee solidifies a rivalry with Troy, I would bet that neither would leave for CUSA especially if ESPN offers television revenue contracts to the Sun Belt that are equivalent to the other non-Power $ix conferences. Again, this comes by changing the Sun Belt perception.

By not losing to 1-AA teams and beating teams from other Division 1-A conferences would really help the Sun Belt perception. Knocking off a nationally ranked team would really help. MTSU almost did that last year against Missouri. Troy can certainly do that this year probably against Missouri.

I hope the Sun Belt improves so that we won't have to worry about other conferences ripping us apart.</span></span></span>

You're telling me Sun Belt teams would stay put, choosing a 1 bowl conference over a 4-5 bowl conference with bigger TV contracts and money pay outs?

You're stretching here my friend.

And, until someone else besides UNT goes to the NO Bowl, people are going to think it's a one show league and the rest aren't worht a lick. That is the perception.

Troy has played UAB four times. Troy and MT have played at least ten times to the best of my memory. There was just a break in the series for quite a few years. Technically, the Troy/MT rivalry has been going on longer.

Even though MT has a firm lead on the series against Troy, we have a friendly rivalry with them. Both schools are working now to turn the game into a major event on and off the field and draw TV attention. It is also a conference rivalry now, and at the end of the season the game could effect who goes to the New Orleans Bowl.

The Troy/UAB rivalry is beneficial to both teams for a few reasons, and you know that. It is good for the overrall attendance for both teams, which brings in money, and an in-state rivalry helps with media recognition in a state dominated by SEC schools. But in my opinion, and the opinion of others, it isn't like the MT rivalry. There is nothing I enjoy more at football season than seeing Troy beat the brains out of UAB. I'll miss it this year.

"I'm definitely not trying to get into a pissing contest with you" but how can you claim that "Just perception alone says CUSA is still a better all-around conference than the Sun Belt even if those 4 schools you mentioned were to leave CUSA for the BE. " Lets see, CUSA football has Tulsa, SMU, Rice, Army, Houston, Tulane, and UTEP now. UCF is going to get better. Sure you have Marshall and Memphis, but even Memphis gets beat by UAB. And Troy beat Marshall and UAB last year. USM is going to be the most consistent team left in CUSA. But they aren't enough to balance it all out. Your claim to football doesn't hold.

I'll put Sun Belt baseball against any baseball in country. Done.

Basketball? Yeah CUSA has some good basketball teams, no doubt about it. But on any given day I'll put Troy and WKU up against anyone. Remember that the UCF team CUSA is bringing in has traded A-Sun victories with Troy the last two years and as said before in another post, the biggest home crowds for each team was when they played each other. But at least UCF plays Troy in basketball.


I now return this thread to the Troy/UCF discussion.

GO TROJANS! GO SUN BELT!

"I'm definitely not trying to get into a pissing contest with you" but how can you claim that "Just perception alone says CUSA is still a better all-around conference than the Sun Belt even if those 4 schools you mentioned were to leave CUSA for the BE. " Lets see, CUSA football has Tulsa, SMU, Rice, Army, Houston, Tulane, and UTEP now. UCF is going to get better. Sure you have Marshall and Memphis, but even Memphis gets beat by UAB. And Troy beat Marshall and UAB last year. USM is going to be the most consistent team left in CUSA. But they aren't enough to balance it all out. Your claim to football doesn't hold. "

Actually CUSA don't have Tulsa, SMU and Rice right now as you put it. But let's look at CUSA in 2005 compared to the SB for football:

CUSA Sun Belt
USM ASU
Marshall FAU
UCF FIU
UAB UL Cajuns
Memphis UL Indians
Tulsa MTSU
Houston UNT
ECU Troy
SMU
UTEP
Rice
Tulane

If my perception is wrong about the SB and CUSA then why is it that even after next year the Sun Belt will only be tied in to 1 bowl and possibly two while CUSA will have 5 and possibly 6 for next year? And I'm not trying to take anything away from Troy, UNT or MTSU but your conference is very weak after you three from a football standpoint. My claim stands and stands very strong.

Basketball.......immmmmm UAB, UCF, UTEP and Memphis were all in the dance this year. Tulsa is a NC2A dance stalwart. USM just hired Eustachy and Houston hired Penders. Both have had tourney success. Rice was on the verge of making the Dance but settle for the NIT. I'm not making this up. Your basketball league still doesn't compare to CUSA. Yes WKU is very good and Troy is good but who else?

Baseball, please get real. I'm not saying the SB isn't any good but we will have Tulane, USM, Rice, UCF just to name a few who all made the baseball tourney this year and I'm probably missing a team or two. And I believe a couple of championships have also been ascertain by the previously mentioned schools.

But I'll throw all of that aside and say this, UNT and Troy has expressed interest in CUSA as well as La Tech. And if an opening or openings became available in CUSA tomorrow these teams would be gone. CUSA has placed itself in a position to be able to absorb the losses of a Memphis, Marshall, ECU of UCF if that situation ever occurred. CUSA and the MWC are the best non-BCS conferences with the best TV packages and bowl tie-ins. Matter of factly, CUSA TV deal is the best of all the non-BCS conferences. This is an actual fact.

But I hope the SB do become successful conference and survive. I like it when underdogs can prove the naysayers wrong.

These conference alignment arguments are always so interesting to read. All sides seem to have the "inside knowledge" of what may transpire years down the road. I therefore can speculate on the following:

FAU and FIU football will bring something positive to the table and also in a few other sports including baseball, softball, tennis, and basketball( insert prayer here )

Since we're looking at future events(alignments) we have to throw out FAU and FIU's current events and look at them 3 years down the road. The talent is here in Florida to compete with many conferences around the country. Miami,Florida ,Florida State,USF and UCF can only take so many from Florida. Then it's all about selling the players on the FAU's and FIU's to stay close to home and play vs leaving the state.

Remember,we're looking a few years down the road after another possible conference raid so anything is feasble.

I know that these two teams will only help the Sun Belt's rep.

The Knight Time Wrote:What are the chances of an OOC game between UCF and TSU getting initiated again? I think it'd be a nice series.

Strange you would ask this question since

The Knight Time said:

Quote:I really like this bowl, I just wish we didn't have the Sun Belt tie in. I'm getting tired of seeing North Texas, but they're the only team worth a damn in that little league conference.

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=13204' target='_blank'>LINK</a>

I'm not going to spend the rest of the evening doing team-by-team comparisons of Sun Belt and CUSA teams in every sport. Suffice to say that I wrote what I thought the first time.

I want to point out now that those five bowl games CUSA has were all established when CUSA had an entirely different line up for football. I seriously doubt you would have five bowl games with the teams that you are going to have. Thats why I left out the bowl game topic in the first place.

I'm through with this discussion because I've said all I wanted to say now. Its been real and fun, but it hasn't been real fun.

GO TROJANS!

Don't be mad. CUSA will still have 5 bowl tie-ins when 2005 rolls around. Our football didn't take a hit. Our basketball did. Marshall, UCF and Tulsa is on par with Louisville, USF and Cincy.

I look forward to the day when Troy and N. Texas joins CUSA.

Again don't be mad. What you said was your opinion and I can respect that although I don't agree with it.

Go Blazers!

This is a rarity, usually when I let go of a thread, I let it go.

This time I mis-phrased something and it came out all wrong so I have to come back to correct myself.

I meant to say that if CUSA had been established with teams that are coming in next season the conference would have never gained five bowls.

Anyways, I'm done.

GO TROJANS!

Maybe so. Maybe not. Point is CUSA do have them and that is all that matters. And when I last looked, 5 is more than 1 so CUSA is better off.

Go Blazers!

SwampHound Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:What are the chances of an OOC game between UCF and TSU getting initiated again?&nbsp; I think it'd be a nice series.

Strange you would ask this question since

The Knight Time said:

Quote:I really like this bowl, I just wish we didn't have the Sun Belt tie in. I'm getting tired of seeing North Texas, but they're the only team worth a damn in that little league conference.

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=13204' target='_blank'>LINK</a>

A couple things

-UCF and Troy used to play all the time. It was a good series, and we both helped eachother out, since we were new to football. Some of the biggest attended games for UCF were vs. Troy State at the time. I'd love to see it brought up again

- UCF vs. TSU in basketball has turned into a nice little rivalary also. We've alternated tourny championships, and look to be at it again next year. Last year both teams drew the biggest crowd for the season. UCF took in 5000 and TSU had around 4500 I believe.

- Do you disagree with my comment? North Texas has won 18 straight Sun Belt games. 18 Straight! I give Troy credit, but they got mopped by UNT last year. So, until a Sun Belt team actually beats UNT and gets to the NO Bowl, I don't consider my comments that out of line.

I was actually pulling for a UNT invite to CUSA, since their football program would have improved that much more, but it didn't happen. It looks as though they are poised to run through yet another Sun Belt schedule.

But, feel free to prove me wrong. I'm always up for a suprise.

SunBelt basketball is horrible.

Troy was a good team in a horrible conference, same with UCF.

STLouis Blazer Wrote:SunBelt basketball is horrible.

Troy was a good team in a horrible conference, same with UCF.

Maybe, but it will be better than the A Sun. Anything would.

CUSA will be a challenge, but our program is shaping up nicely. It will be fun playing with quality programs on national TV.

The Knight Time Wrote:

SwampHound Wrote:

The Knight Time Wrote:What are the chances of an OOC game between UCF and TSU getting initiated again?&nbsp; I think it'd be a nice series.

Strange you would ask this question since

The Knight Time said:

Quote:I really like this bowl, I just wish we didn't have the Sun Belt tie in. I'm getting tired of seeing North Texas, but they're the only team worth a damn in that little league conference.

<a href='http://www.ncaabbs.com/forums/confusa/invision/index.php?act=ST&f=22&t=13204' target='_blank'>LINK</a>

A couple things

-UCF and Troy used to play all the time. It was a good series, and we both helped eachother out, since we were new to football. Some of the biggest attended games for UCF were vs. Troy State at the time. I'd love to see it brought up again

- UCF vs. TSU in basketball has turned into a nice little rivalary also. We've alternated tourny championships, and look to be at it again next year. Last year both teams drew the biggest crowd for the season. UCF took in 5000 and TSU had around 4500 I believe.

- Do you disagree with my comment? North Texas has won 18 straight Sun Belt games. 18 Straight! I give Troy credit, but they got mopped by UNT last year. So, until a Sun Belt team actually beats UNT and gets to the NO Bowl, I don't consider my comments that out of line.

I was actually pulling for a UNT invite to CUSA, since their football program would have improved that much more, but it didn't happen. It looks as though they are poised to run through yet another Sun Belt schedule.

But, feel free to prove me wrong. I'm always up for a suprise.

I have no problem with you or any other fan of other conference schools coming to our boards and discussing sports (like you have been). You are correct, UNT has dominated the rest of us in football. Facts are facts. I just wondered why if we are so "little league" you would be interested in playing Troy since they fall into the "little league" catagory according to you post. Perhaps I am wrong or took what you said the wrong way but it appeared to me that you were putting us down on the C-USA board and then come here and act like you would like to see UCF play some of our schools. I think it would be great for UCF and Troy to continue to play each other (and keep the rivalry going) just as I would like to see the Cajuns keep playing LaTech (our oldest rival). It just makes sense, sometimes the things that make sense are the hardest to keep going.